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	<title>Comments on: Kingdom of Heaven, Propaganda?</title>
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		<title>By: Mario (Italy)</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/15/kingdom-of-heaven-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario (Italy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plot is vaster, much vaster at least Wolfgang Petersen, Oliver Stone and Ridley Scott are involved. I have seen thing you humans cannot even imagine..."May the Force be with you", but beware, you who evoke it, the Force has a dark side...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plot is vaster, much vaster at least Wolfgang Petersen, Oliver Stone and Ridley Scott are involved. I have seen thing you humans cannot even imagine&#8230;&#8221;May the Force be with you&#8221;, but beware, you who evoke it, the Force has a dark side&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator  &#187; Revenge of the Sith?</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/15/kingdom-of-heaven-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator  &#187; Revenge of the Sith?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] e or just &#8220;mere&#8221; entertainment.  	I&#8217;m reminded of a recent commenter who connected Ridley Scott&#8217;s various war movies to certain conflicts [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] e or just &#8220;mere&#8221; entertainment.  	I&#8217;m reminded of a recent commenter who connected Ridley Scott&#8217;s various war movies to certain conflicts [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mario (Italy)</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/15/kingdom-of-heaven-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario (Italy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't seen "Kingdom of Heaven" yet (the film is due to show on May, 6th, and we have no screenings for the film here). Having read the plot and various comments, and having seen the trailer, I think a non accidental "ideological" thread can be established with two fairly recent films.

"Troy" (Wolfgang Petersen - 2004) starts reminding us lazy and cosy westerners something we don't have much time for, how "sweet and seemly" is to die for one's country, even if it is only to rescue a spoilt beauty like Helen, the "face that launched a thousand ships". So why not do it for Hussein in Iraq, where there is the added value of real crude oil?

"Alexander" (Oliver Stone - 2004) goes somewhat further, and reminds us Westerners that we have a superior mission to accomplish, some kind of "Babylonia or bust"! OK, to be sure Alexander sometimes seem a bit confused, but there is no doubt him mom Olympias constantly inspires him with powerful telepathy, and also Zeus/Jupiter who seems to have dabbled more than a bit in Alexander's conception, sends messages with eagles (white necked ones?) galore. 

"Kingdom of Heaven" (in Italy just a low-profile "The Crusades" so the Vatican does not file a legal suit for Trade Mark abuse!) tries to strike the balance right with between West and East, yes even with Islam. OK the West seem to have lost its Faith, but what really matters, says the Spiritual-Master-Hospitallier-Monk (David Thewlis) to the (post-modern) unbelieving  Balian of Ibelin (Orlando Bloom) is that Religion is "about your rite of actions", more like a free-masonic initiation. True, there lingers a feeling there is "something rotten in the West" (King Baldwin's leprosy), but there is still hope. And The Crusades are not some kind of dress rehearsal for WWIII, provided Eastern chieftains, and Muslim in particular (Saladin) share our same Chivalry Code. One is left only to wonder if Baldwin and Saladin (the game is open for guesses on present-day counterparts) are meant to be some sort of 33rd Degree Masonic Masters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen &#8220;Kingdom of Heaven&#8221; yet (the film is due to show on May, 6th, and we have no screenings for the film here). Having read the plot and various comments, and having seen the trailer, I think a non accidental &#8220;ideological&#8221; thread can be established with two fairly recent films.</p>
<p>&#8220;Troy&#8221; (Wolfgang Petersen - 2004) starts reminding us lazy and cosy westerners something we don&#8217;t have much time for, how &#8220;sweet and seemly&#8221; is to die for one&#8217;s country, even if it is only to rescue a spoilt beauty like Helen, the &#8220;face that launched a thousand ships&#8221;. So why not do it for Hussein in Iraq, where there is the added value of real crude oil?</p>
<p>&#8220;Alexander&#8221; (Oliver Stone - 2004) goes somewhat further, and reminds us Westerners that we have a superior mission to accomplish, some kind of &#8220;Babylonia or bust&#8221;! OK, to be sure Alexander sometimes seem a bit confused, but there is no doubt him mom Olympias constantly inspires him with powerful telepathy, and also Zeus/Jupiter who seems to have dabbled more than a bit in Alexander&#8217;s conception, sends messages with eagles (white necked ones?) galore. </p>
<p>&#8220;Kingdom of Heaven&#8221; (in Italy just a low-profile &#8220;The Crusades&#8221; so the Vatican does not file a legal suit for Trade Mark abuse!) tries to strike the balance right with between West and East, yes even with Islam. OK the West seem to have lost its Faith, but what really matters, says the Spiritual-Master-Hospitallier-Monk (David Thewlis) to the (post-modern) unbelieving  Balian of Ibelin (Orlando Bloom) is that Religion is &#8220;about your rite of actions&#8221;, more like a free-masonic initiation. True, there lingers a feeling there is &#8220;something rotten in the West&#8221; (King Baldwin&#8217;s leprosy), but there is still hope. And The Crusades are not some kind of dress rehearsal for WWIII, provided Eastern chieftains, and Muslim in particular (Saladin) share our same Chivalry Code. One is left only to wonder if Baldwin and Saladin (the game is open for guesses on present-day counterparts) are meant to be some sort of 33rd Degree Masonic Masters.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/15/kingdom-of-heaven-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah ive been trying really hard to reconcile those two items, and havent hit anything solid yet. i feel like i ought to go out and rent alien and some of his other movies and watch it with "gnostic eyes"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah ive been trying really hard to reconcile those two items, and havent hit anything solid yet. i feel like i ought to go out and rent alien and some of his other movies and watch it with &#8220;gnostic eyes&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Puma</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Puma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wonder if scott's apparent interest in gnosticism (re the prada ad) has anything to do with this?  'kingdom of heaven' is a pretty prominent phrase in the gnostic corpus.  maybe he's some crazy gnostic double-agent.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wonder if scott&#8217;s apparent interest in gnosticism (re the prada ad) has anything to do with this?  &#8216;kingdom of heaven&#8217; is a pretty prominent phrase in the gnostic corpus.  maybe he&#8217;s some crazy gnostic double-agent.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black Hawk Down (preceeds some war)- Alien (preceeds some aerospace initiatives) - I don't knw but Ridley sucks ass - BUt as I have said a billion times now - WE WILL BE GOING TO WAR WITH ISRAEL IN THE NEAR FUTURE - and it will be the second time nuclear weapons are used - who cares if we bomb all the little brown people and totally fuck up the world over another 100 years of oil - - - - not me said the evil man - not me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Hawk Down (preceeds some war)- Alien (preceeds some aerospace initiatives) - I don&#8217;t knw but Ridley sucks ass - BUt as I have said a billion times now - WE WILL BE GOING TO WAR WITH ISRAEL IN THE NEAR FUTURE - and it will be the second time nuclear weapons are used - who cares if we bomb all the little brown people and totally fuck up the world over another 100 years of oil - - - - not me said the evil man - not me</p>
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