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		<title>By: Occult Investigator  &#187; Anarcho-Gnosticism</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/19/gnostic-pop-occult-conspiracy-fusion/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator  &#187; Anarcho-Gnosticism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ican Hates Liberation Theology for more thoughts in this direction. And don&#8217;t forget the Pop Occult Gnostic Conspiracy which is a manifesto of sort [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ican Hates Liberation Theology for more thoughts in this direction. And don&#8217;t forget the Pop Occult Gnostic Conspiracy which is a manifesto of sort [...]</p>
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		<title>By: landruc</title>
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		<dc:creator>landruc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2005 04:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the term "subconscious conspiracy" very interesting, particularly because I started using it myself several years ago to describe how people in dysfunctional systems, be they political parties, religions, families or whatever, can behave conspiratorially without intending to, as if they are working towards goals they do not consciously desire or recognise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the term &#8220;subconscious conspiracy&#8221; very interesting, particularly because I started using it myself several years ago to describe how people in dysfunctional systems, be they political parties, religions, families or whatever, can behave conspiratorially without intending to, as if they are working towards goals they do not consciously desire or recognise.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Puma</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Puma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn, man, this is awesome!  a little tweaking and this could very well be a manifesto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn, man, this is awesome!  a little tweaking and this could very well be a manifesto.</p>
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		<title>By: fantastic planet &#187; The Pop Occult Gnostic Conspiracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>fantastic planet &#187; The Pop Occult Gnostic Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  	 						 				gnosis20 Apr 2005 09:19 am The Pop Occult Gnostic Conspiracy  		Check out one of Tim&#8217;s best posts ever, almost a manifesto of sort [...]</description>
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<p> 		Check out one of Tim&#8217;s best posts ever, almost a manifesto of sort [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Headlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Headlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh, we're on the same page.  I'm going to send you a paper that I've written within the past few days.  It is really incomplete and informal, mostly because I was under a time crounch.  It's 56 pages double-spaced (and could really become a 200-400 pg dissertation), but i'd love to get some of your feedback on it.  I go into duality, plato's allegory of the cave, the hero's journey, Star Wars, the number theory of 432, geometric theory (some sacred geometry), and more.

But realize, it is really rough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh, we&#8217;re on the same page.  I&#8217;m going to send you a paper that I&#8217;ve written within the past few days.  It is really incomplete and informal, mostly because I was under a time crounch.  It&#8217;s 56 pages double-spaced (and could really become a 200-400 pg dissertation), but i&#8217;d love to get some of your feedback on it.  I go into duality, plato&#8217;s allegory of the cave, the hero&#8217;s journey, Star Wars, the number theory of 432, geometric theory (some sacred geometry), and more.</p>
<p>But realize, it is really rough.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with the gist of what you're saying, although i personally think the "hero" archetype actually stands instead for &lt;a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/02/hero-with-thousand-faces.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;modern ego-consciousness&lt;/a&gt;, as mentioned in an older post. 

i also think that judeo-christian-muslim beliefs enthrone rather than slay the ego/hero consciousness. they in turn limit the &lt;a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2004/11/monotheistic-polytheistic-mind.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;natural pagan polytheistic mind of humanity&lt;/a&gt; which contains multiple gods/goddesses (archetypal centers)

and if you grab jung's concept of the Self vs. the Ego, you have the Gnostic True God (the Pleroma) vs. the short-sighted Demiurge, who thinks he's all there is and he created everything. which is the illusion of ego-centric consciousness.

as to campbell, i think his whole idea of the hero-cycle - the separation and return speaks to this as well. the hero/ego leaves what he knows, undergoes trials and tribulations, overcomes the monster (jungian shadow) and in the end becomes king (Self), or marries the daughter of the king (anima)

i think campbell invited us to go on the "hero's journey" back to the fullness of the pleroma, and he knew the only way we could do that was if we were reconnected to the mythological picture language of the unconscious. being immersed in it would naturally involve us in these processes. 

anyway, though our terminology may differ, you and i seem to be on the same page in the end. great stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with the gist of what you&#8217;re saying, although i personally think the &#8220;hero&#8221; archetype actually stands instead for <a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/02/hero-with-thousand-faces.html" rel="nofollow">modern ego-consciousness</a>, as mentioned in an older post. </p>
<p>i also think that judeo-christian-muslim beliefs enthrone rather than slay the ego/hero consciousness. they in turn limit the <a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2004/11/monotheistic-polytheistic-mind.html" rel="nofollow">natural pagan polytheistic mind of humanity</a> which contains multiple gods/goddesses (archetypal centers)</p>
<p>and if you grab jung&#8217;s concept of the Self vs. the Ego, you have the Gnostic True God (the Pleroma) vs. the short-sighted Demiurge, who thinks he&#8217;s all there is and he created everything. which is the illusion of ego-centric consciousness.</p>
<p>as to campbell, i think his whole idea of the hero-cycle - the separation and return speaks to this as well. the hero/ego leaves what he knows, undergoes trials and tribulations, overcomes the monster (jungian shadow) and in the end becomes king (Self), or marries the daughter of the king (anima)</p>
<p>i think campbell invited us to go on the &#8220;hero&#8217;s journey&#8221; back to the fullness of the pleroma, and he knew the only way we could do that was if we were reconnected to the mythological picture language of the unconscious. being immersed in it would naturally involve us in these processes. </p>
<p>anyway, though our terminology may differ, you and i seem to be on the same page in the end. great stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Headlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Headlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, but I also want to point out a few things.  The occult is another word for "the hidden".  Every belief system is a part of the occult, there are just two kinds of "occultists", pursuers and followers.  Most religions are follower-based, and ALL Monotheistic religions are follower-based.  The followers of the religions accept the canon that is given to them, even if they do not understand it.  The "unknown" is explained by "God" or prophets, priests, etc.  The pursuers are your mystical, Gnostic, enlightenment-driven persons who want to search out the unknown.  They are also scientists and philosophers.  Like you said, every belief structure is based upon story and symbol systems to help explain that which the mind or language cannot.  To explain the infinitude of the unconscious.  Unfortunately, Monotheism (specifically Christianity with "The Greatest Story Ever Told") combined with the Age of Reason killed the cornerstone of the occult:  The Hero.  Science said the Hero (and God for that matter) was dead, and Monotheism said there was only one God and only one Hero (or no more Heroes).  Thus, without the mythical Hero, the occult was destroyed.

Everything became polarized by right and wrong, black and white, and those within the "occult" (as defined by the Church) were either killed or converted.  That's the basis behind "pop culture".  Science and Monotheism killed the hero, and thus to fulfill our hero needs, society turns towards celebrities, sports stars, anything.  They need it because society says the hero is dead.  Science says that you can't break certain "human" barriers, and if you do, the Church condemns it as evil.  And then those not associated with either, but still indoctrinated in a similar way (like pop culture itself) condemn those who believe in the hidden, believe in aliens, believe in "the Force", believe in magick, believe in psychics, etc, to be weird or social outcasts.

If you really want to get into control system theories, here's one for you:

-In order to prevent society from progressing, someone or something (could just be the fears of humanity or it could be an "archon") has created a network of social control that pervades all levels of human existence in an attempt to keep the hero, and more importantly, the occult dead.  Like Holograms, humanity processes in threes and anything to the 3rd degree has extreme power, especially if it hits all three areas of Mind, Body, and Soul.  Well, Science is the social control of the mind, telling everyone that such things are impossible.  "Pop Culture" is the control of the body, the society, telling the individual that such stuff is weird, nerdy, crazy, etc (all carrying negative stigmas).  Lastly, Monotheism condemns the occult as evil.  So there we have a really, really strong net of social control.  But, it's just a theory ;)

But as Joseph Campbell said, the occult did not actually die, it just remained hidden within the unconscious waiting to return.  Fortunately, the occult has returned (which was the message of the original Star Wars trilogy), and soon, there may even be new heroes or at least a rediscovering of old heroes, real or otherwise.  This is why people are disenfranchised and unsatisfied with religion and science and "pop culture".  The occult is coming back, and perhaps, if you like the Mayan myths, we will make our next evolotion in Dec of 2012 (or be put back into our shackles deep within the cave by the Demi-urge).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, but I also want to point out a few things.  The occult is another word for &#8220;the hidden&#8221;.  Every belief system is a part of the occult, there are just two kinds of &#8220;occultists&#8221;, pursuers and followers.  Most religions are follower-based, and ALL Monotheistic religions are follower-based.  The followers of the religions accept the canon that is given to them, even if they do not understand it.  The &#8220;unknown&#8221; is explained by &#8220;God&#8221; or prophets, priests, etc.  The pursuers are your mystical, Gnostic, enlightenment-driven persons who want to search out the unknown.  They are also scientists and philosophers.  Like you said, every belief structure is based upon story and symbol systems to help explain that which the mind or language cannot.  To explain the infinitude of the unconscious.  Unfortunately, Monotheism (specifically Christianity with &#8220;The Greatest Story Ever Told&#8221;) combined with the Age of Reason killed the cornerstone of the occult:  The Hero.  Science said the Hero (and God for that matter) was dead, and Monotheism said there was only one God and only one Hero (or no more Heroes).  Thus, without the mythical Hero, the occult was destroyed.</p>
<p>Everything became polarized by right and wrong, black and white, and those within the &#8220;occult&#8221; (as defined by the Church) were either killed or converted.  That&#8217;s the basis behind &#8220;pop culture&#8221;.  Science and Monotheism killed the hero, and thus to fulfill our hero needs, society turns towards celebrities, sports stars, anything.  They need it because society says the hero is dead.  Science says that you can&#8217;t break certain &#8220;human&#8221; barriers, and if you do, the Church condemns it as evil.  And then those not associated with either, but still indoctrinated in a similar way (like pop culture itself) condemn those who believe in the hidden, believe in aliens, believe in &#8220;the Force&#8221;, believe in magick, believe in psychics, etc, to be weird or social outcasts.</p>
<p>If you really want to get into control system theories, here&#8217;s one for you:</p>
<p>-In order to prevent society from progressing, someone or something (could just be the fears of humanity or it could be an &#8220;archon&#8221;) has created a network of social control that pervades all levels of human existence in an attempt to keep the hero, and more importantly, the occult dead.  Like Holograms, humanity processes in threes and anything to the 3rd degree has extreme power, especially if it hits all three areas of Mind, Body, and Soul.  Well, Science is the social control of the mind, telling everyone that such things are impossible.  &#8220;Pop Culture&#8221; is the control of the body, the society, telling the individual that such stuff is weird, nerdy, crazy, etc (all carrying negative stigmas).  Lastly, Monotheism condemns the occult as evil.  So there we have a really, really strong net of social control.  But, it&#8217;s just a theory <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But as Joseph Campbell said, the occult did not actually die, it just remained hidden within the unconscious waiting to return.  Fortunately, the occult has returned (which was the message of the original Star Wars trilogy), and soon, there may even be new heroes or at least a rediscovering of old heroes, real or otherwise.  This is why people are disenfranchised and unsatisfied with religion and science and &#8220;pop culture&#8221;.  The occult is coming back, and perhaps, if you like the Mayan myths, we will make our next evolotion in Dec of 2012 (or be put back into our shackles deep within the cave by the Demi-urge).</p>
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