Comments on: Saving Satan http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:58:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Best Of Pop Occulture (Classic Era) - [tmbchr]â„¢ http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-90348 Best Of Pop Occulture (Classic Era) - [tmbchr]â„¢ Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:58:44 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/#comment-90348 [...] SAVING SATAN [...] [...] SAVING SATAN [...]

]]> By: The Role of Satan in Universalism - Pop Occulture http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-9085 The Role of Satan in Universalism - Pop Occulture Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:03:11 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/#comment-9085 [...] f universalist doctrine, I explored the possibility of whether Satan himself would one day be saved by God. In some strains of universalism, Hell is viewed as a place of purific [...] [...] f universalist doctrine, I explored the possibility of whether Satan himself would one day be saved by God. In some strains of universalism, Hell is viewed as a place of purific [...]

]]> By: Debunker’s Debunker http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-503 Debunker’s Debunker Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:17:35 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/#comment-503 Occult Investigator reports (source WWN online Published on: 04/25/2005): “Vatican press spokesman Francis Cardinal Bushman revealed that every now and then the Lord God likes to swap identities with a mortal to see how things are going on Earth.” Francis Cardinal Bushman? Funny, Debunker’s Debunker thought, not even in the savannahs of Africa’s have I heard of such a Cardinal, not even among the Pigmies, let alone the Bushmen. Funny, Debunker’s Debunker said to himself, it wasn’t even Aprils Fool’s Day. So what does a Net Surfer wunderkind do? Of course he puts his DD flying costume on and goes to double-check on www.catholic-hierarchy.org (well, for research purposes, I don’t even need to swear!). And guess what? He is not there, neither among the Voting, nor the Non-voting Cardinals. It is not Satan’s fault (this time I need to swear). They have forgot to fit him in, between Bozanic and Cacciavillan (Voting), between Bevilacqua and Canestri (non-Volting) So Debunker’s Debunker got a bit annoyed, called Joaquin Navarro-Valls, real Director of the Vatican Press Office (www.navarro-valls.info) and asked him: “How come you dump such shit on those poor souls in Des Moines, Iowa?” Aha, he said to me (sorry, this time I will not swear): “This must be the SCA!” The … what ?, - says I. “Sorry, I meant the Satan Counterintelligence Agency”. Frigging Jeez-us! Next time, maybe, the real story of a poor djinn... Occult Investigator reports (source WWN online Published on: 04/25/2005):
“Vatican press spokesman Francis Cardinal Bushman revealed that every now and then the Lord God likes to swap identities with a mortal to see how things are going on Earth.”
Francis Cardinal Bushman? Funny, Debunker’s Debunker thought, not even in the savannahs of Africa’s have I heard of such a Cardinal, not even among the Pigmies, let alone the Bushmen.
Funny, Debunker’s Debunker said to himself, it wasn’t even Aprils Fool’s Day. So what does a Net Surfer wunderkind do? Of course he puts his DD flying costume on and goes to double-check on http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org (well, for research purposes, I don’t even need to swear!). And guess what? He is not there, neither among the Voting, nor the Non-voting Cardinals. It is not Satan’s fault (this time I need to swear). They have forgot to fit him in, between Bozanic and Cacciavillan (Voting), between Bevilacqua and Canestri (non-Volting)
So Debunker’s Debunker got a bit annoyed, called Joaquin Navarro-Valls, real Director of the Vatican Press Office (www.navarro-valls.info) and asked him: “How come you dump such shit on those poor souls in Des Moines, Iowa?” Aha, he said to me (sorry, this time I will not swear): “This must be the SCA!” The … what ?, - says I. “Sorry, I meant the Satan Counterintelligence Agency”. Frigging Jeez-us!

Next time, maybe, the real story of a poor djinn…

]]> By: rhondda http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-425 rhondda Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:12:35 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/#comment-425 What is that tv show? I can't remember the name where the girl encounters god in different people? Joan of Arcadia. Whoa life imitating art? ( or the medium of TV) What is that tv show? I can’t remember the name where the girl encounters god in different people? Joan of Arcadia. Whoa life imitating art? ( or the medium of TV)

]]> By: Occult Investigator http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-423 Occult Investigator Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:00:24 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/#comment-423 weird, after i read this, i was looking at the weekly world news website (for research purposes, i swear) and the main article is "<a href="http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/religion/61523" rel="nofollow">God switches places with bus driver</a>": <blockquote>WEEKLY WORLD NEWS has learned that just a few weeks ago, on Good Friday, God exchanged places for the day with bus driver Marty Kowalski of Des Moines, Iowa. Vatican press spokesman Francis Cardinal Bushman revealed that every now and then the Lord God likes to swap identities with a mortal to see how things are going on Earth. "We call these events 'Freaky Good Fridays,'" the cardinal says, referring to the popular film in which a mother and daughter switch bodies. According to the Holy See, in recent years God has traded places with a 10-yearold girl in Biloxi, Miss., with an elderly playwright in Edinburgh and a Chinese flutist in Shanghai. "Since we are all created in His image, God is able to look like anyone He wishes," explains Bushman. [.....]</blockquote> weird, after i read this, i was looking at the weekly world news website (for research purposes, i swear) and the main article is “God switches places with bus driver“:

WEEKLY WORLD NEWS has learned that just a few weeks ago, on Good Friday, God exchanged places for the day with bus driver Marty Kowalski of Des Moines, Iowa.

Vatican press spokesman Francis Cardinal Bushman revealed that every now and then the Lord God likes to swap identities with a mortal to see how things are going on Earth.

“We call these events ‘Freaky Good Fridays,’” the cardinal says, referring to the popular film in which a mother and daughter switch bodies.

According to the Holy See, in recent years God has traded places with a 10-yearold girl in Biloxi, Miss., with an elderly playwright in Edinburgh and a Chinese flutist in Shanghai.

“Since we are all created in His image, God is able to look like anyone He wishes,” explains Bushman. [.....]

]]> By: J. Puma http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-421 J. Puma Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:34:36 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/#comment-421 it's funny that you mention this (of course, it's not funny-- synchronicity 's getting to be normal 'round these here parts). yesterday i was just chatting with a friend about how the ultimate goal of gnosticism within the myth cycle is the eventual redemption of the demiurge. since the microcosm mirrors the macrocosm (and vice-versa), the redemptive process of gnosis needs to be applied to the cosmos itself. as the individual is redeemed through gnosis, so the demiurge will be redeemed through its own form of gnosis. also reminds me of a story i wrote back in college about a guy who makes a deal with the devil and asks to become god. so, the devil sticks his soul inside of christ's body so that his soul suffers the torments of the crucifixion instead of christ, thus explaining the 'eli eli' stuff. it’s funny that you mention this (of course, it’s not funny– synchronicity ’s getting to be normal ’round these here parts). yesterday i was just chatting with a friend about how the ultimate goal of gnosticism within the myth cycle is the eventual redemption of the demiurge. since the microcosm mirrors the macrocosm (and vice-versa), the redemptive process of gnosis needs to be applied to the cosmos itself. as the individual is redeemed through gnosis, so the demiurge will be redeemed through its own form of gnosis.

also reminds me of a story i wrote back in college about a guy who makes a deal with the devil and asks to become god. so, the devil sticks his soul inside of christ’s body so that his soul suffers the torments of the crucifixion instead of christ, thus explaining the ‘eli eli’ stuff.

]]> By: Arizona http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-420 Arizona Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:31:52 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/#comment-420 There is a trap inside Jung's advice. It has the potential to divide the world into the "goodies" who have confronted their shadow and the "baddies" who haven't. I do like your idea of Satan's redemption but it still fails to avoid the trap as we then have "redeemers" and (merciless or selfish) "non-redeemers". *sigh* Yes, Satan is God's shadow. And Satan is also about division, hatred, strife, war, conflict. Which puts me in mind of despair.com's excellent efforts at redemption and in particular, their image of two polar bears above the title "STRIFE: As long as we have each other, we'll never run out of problems." http://www.despair.com/noname13.html There is a trap inside Jung’s advice. It has the potential to divide the world into the “goodies” who have confronted their shadow and the “baddies” who haven’t.

I do like your idea of Satan’s redemption but it still fails to avoid the trap as we then have “redeemers” and (merciless or selfish) “non-redeemers”. *sigh*

Yes, Satan is God’s shadow. And Satan is also about division, hatred, strife, war, conflict. Which puts me in mind of despair.com’s excellent efforts at redemption and in particular, their image of two polar bears above the title “STRIFE: As long as we have each other, we’ll never run out of problems.”
http://www.despair.com/noname13.html

]]> By: rhondda http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-414 rhondda Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:37:03 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/04/25/saving-satan/#comment-414 While I totally agree with you that the shadow/satan is what we project upon others rather than facing it and coming to terms with it. Telling a fundamentalist that is not going to get one anywhere. I remember reading in Jung memoirs (I think it was there) that part of his own breakthrough was imagining a huge turd being dropped on the church. Imagine telling a fundamentalist that! There is no breakthrough for them because they are not looking for the 'crack in everything' to coin a leonard cohen song. They have all the answers thank you very much. As for redeeming satan, what a marvelous idea, but aren't satanists trying to do that? And if satan is really the shadow, how does one tell a satanist that? It is the same dilemma. No? Or to put it another way, are not fundamentalist and satanists two sides of the same coin, denying each other? To put this is conspiracy theory: one is the surface, and the other is the reality, but which is which? While I totally agree with you that the shadow/satan is what we project upon others rather than facing it and coming to terms with it. Telling a fundamentalist that is not going to get one anywhere. I remember reading in Jung memoirs (I think it was there) that part of his own breakthrough was imagining a huge turd being dropped on the church. Imagine telling a fundamentalist that! There is no breakthrough for them because they are not looking for the ‘crack in everything’ to coin a leonard cohen song.
They have all the answers thank you very much.
As for redeeming satan, what a marvelous idea, but aren’t satanists trying to do that?
And if satan is really the shadow, how does one tell a satanist that? It is the same dilemma. No? Or to put it another way, are not fundamentalist and satanists two sides of the same coin, denying each other?
To put this is conspiracy theory: one is the surface, and the other is the reality, but which is which?

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