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	<title>Comments on: Email Makes You &#8220;Stupider&#8221; Than Pot?</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Rubin</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Rubin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 17:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this amusing: the study they're citing for marijuana causing a "4 point drop" in IQ actually presents that finding only for long-term heavy users, i.e., more than 5 joints a week, every week (the study does not define the size of a joint).

Those of us on the pro-legalization side of the drug war debate know this study for a different reason: subjects who smoked every week, but less than five joints, actually saw a RISE in IQ of 5.8 points, and even former users' IQ rose by 3.5, more than the control.

So I'm glad that, in hyping a product through pseudo-science, HP has managed to reinforce stereotypes about drug use by cherrypicking statistics, just like a good corporate citizen should. Blah. 

(source: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&#38;pubmedid=11949984 )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this amusing: the study they&#8217;re citing for marijuana causing a &#8220;4 point drop&#8221; in IQ actually presents that finding only for long-term heavy users, i.e., more than 5 joints a week, every week (the study does not define the size of a joint).</p>
<p>Those of us on the pro-legalization side of the drug war debate know this study for a different reason: subjects who smoked every week, but less than five joints, actually saw a RISE in IQ of 5.8 points, and even former users&#8217; IQ rose by 3.5, more than the control.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m glad that, in hyping a product through pseudo-science, HP has managed to reinforce stereotypes about drug use by cherrypicking statistics, just like a good corporate citizen should. Blah. </p>
<p>(source: <a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&amp;pubmedid=11949984" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&amp;pubmedid=11949984'>http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/artic...cgi?tool=pubmed&amp;pubmedid=11949984</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 05:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh yeah, i think we pretty much established that its fake, but i like having the firsthand take on it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh yeah, i think we pretty much established that its fake, but i like having the firsthand take on it</p>
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		<title>By: ray</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 02:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and if you couldn't tell already from my last post, YES I am a statistician.  I can see right through that kind of BS and it just pisses me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and if you couldn&#8217;t tell already from my last post, YES I am a statistician.  I can see right through that kind of BS and it just pisses me off.</p>
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		<title>By: ray</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 02:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the SFGate article and couldn't find anything specific about how the study was conducted.  OK, listen to this sentence again:

&lt;i&gt;an average workerâ€™s functioning IQ falls 10 points when distracted by ringing telephones and incoming e-mails â€¦ more than double the four-point drop seen following studies on the impact of smoking marijuana.&lt;/i&gt;

The assumption of this sentence is that IQ measures a time-dependent process.  It rises and falls depending upon ones activity.  IQ has enough conceptual problems even defined as a measure of a constant (or at least slowly-changing) cognitive variable!

And suppose IQ really does measure a time-dependent latent variable?  How the fuck did they actually measure it?  How do you administer an IQ test while somebody is busy being distracted by an email or a phone call?

Perhaps they conducted a "quick and dirty" IQ test, a sort of proxy, at regular intervals throughout the day?  And then used regression-calibration or some other measurement-error adjustment to infer the trajectory of the underlying latent process.  But this would just be stupid, because such a technique would require uncheckable assumptions about the time-variation of the questions in the proxy test.  

So, in summary, I think the study was poorly designed, poorly reported, or simply fake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the SFGate article and couldn&#8217;t find anything specific about how the study was conducted.  OK, listen to this sentence again:</p>
<p><i>an average workerâ€™s functioning IQ falls 10 points when distracted by ringing telephones and incoming e-mails â€¦ more than double the four-point drop seen following studies on the impact of smoking marijuana.</i></p>
<p>The assumption of this sentence is that IQ measures a time-dependent process.  It rises and falls depending upon ones activity.  IQ has enough conceptual problems even defined as a measure of a constant (or at least slowly-changing) cognitive variable!</p>
<p>And suppose IQ really does measure a time-dependent latent variable?  How the fuck did they actually measure it?  How do you administer an IQ test while somebody is busy being distracted by an email or a phone call?</p>
<p>Perhaps they conducted a &#8220;quick and dirty&#8221; IQ test, a sort of proxy, at regular intervals throughout the day?  And then used regression-calibration or some other measurement-error adjustment to infer the trajectory of the underlying latent process.  But this would just be stupid, because such a technique would require uncheckable assumptions about the time-variation of the questions in the proxy test.  </p>
<p>So, in summary, I think the study was poorly designed, poorly reported, or simply fake.</p>
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		<title>By: McCoy</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 01:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea</p>
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		<title>By: J. Puma</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Puma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 21:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep, it's 'sales science.'  here's some info:

http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2005/04/does_email_really_re.html

see especially the links in the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, it&#8217;s &#8217;sales science.&#8217;  here&#8217;s some info:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2005/04/does_email_really_re.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2005/04/does_email_really_re.html'>http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2005/04/does_email_really_re.html</a></p>
<p>see especially the links in the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 21:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh... that makes more sense, cause otherwise this is just total bull-hockey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh&#8230; that makes more sense, cause otherwise this is just total bull-hockey</p>
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		<title>By: J. Puma</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-814</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Puma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 21:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that this study is actually an hp viral marketing scheme, like they're gonna release something that basically says 'unlike the others, hp doesn't make you stupid because our new computer is x.'  i'll see if i can find the reference somewhere . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m pretty sure i read somewhere that this study is actually an hp viral marketing scheme, like they&#8217;re gonna release something that basically says &#8216;unlike the others, hp doesn&#8217;t make you stupid because our new computer is x.&#8217;  i&#8217;ll see if i can find the reference somewhere . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah totally. i think another major problem is that companies are always coming up with "studies" about how people "want" short soundbites. and while that may be true, they also arent offering people any alternative. and i think this is part of where blogging helps bite them in the ass. it encourages people to step outside the soundbites  - okay, most bloggers still do that, but more and more are providing long format good info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah totally. i think another major problem is that companies are always coming up with &#8220;studies&#8221; about how people &#8220;want&#8221; short soundbites. and while that may be true, they also arent offering people any alternative. and i think this is part of where blogging helps bite them in the ass. it encourages people to step outside the soundbites  - okay, most bloggers still do that, but more and more are providing long format good info</p>
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		<title>By: Haeresis</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/13/email-makes-you-stupider-than-pot/comment-page-1/#comment-808</link>
		<dc:creator>Haeresis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 21:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've done some of my best writing stoned.  That aside, the sheer absurdity of these tests is just ridiculous.  These things don't afect "IQ," they affect one's ability to concen trate- just like lack of sleep, over-extension, and stress- 'thieves' of 'productivity' that don't bother these people at all.  They might as well claim crying babies or people with loud stereos lower your IQ.

OTOH, (heh heh), Mark isn't entirely wrong.  The company (that which must not be named) is always getting 'data' that suggests that people don't like to read on the internet, that they want quick, easy read, power point infor..so they want us to provide that.  In that sense, the internet (like powerpoint) does make people dumber.  It's not the internet at fault, but the mindset of CNN-more, quicker, faster, funnier...and people gravitate to the crap.  Here we have access to an amazing depth of information, but the corporate ideal is to promote to the largest possible audience- which means celebrity news rather than in depth analysis of politics, moralistic email glurge rather than reasoned debate, etc.  

The trick is, I don't think people are any different since the advent of internet- there might always be the domination of the hylic instinct to entertain oneself or indulge anger by reading "common sense" glurge (who doesn't get those horrible emails where the preacher rails against the 'stupidity' oif the 'elites' from some family member or co-worker?)  

The ultimate irony of studies like this is that there's nothing they can do- they want the submissive, half sleeping people who IM "Wt R U L8R?" and post their pics on "Hot or Not" to work for them, because those of us who question are anathema (even if in the end they are the creative drive that got those companies made to begin with.)  These activities can also be addictive/compulsive. (I've seen people with check email excessively for newsletters with jokes, "pretty panty exchanges," and other klippothic interests.) They seek slaves, but then they despise them for being slaves.

In the end, though, it's the commercial aspect of all of this that enables the rest of us to find and communicate with one another, when we're not being "them."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done some of my best writing stoned.  That aside, the sheer absurdity of these tests is just ridiculous.  These things don&#8217;t afect &#8220;IQ,&#8221; they affect one&#8217;s ability to concen trate- just like lack of sleep, over-extension, and stress- &#8216;thieves&#8217; of &#8216;productivity&#8217; that don&#8217;t bother these people at all.  They might as well claim crying babies or people with loud stereos lower your IQ.</p>
<p>OTOH, (heh heh), Mark isn&#8217;t entirely wrong.  The company (that which must not be named) is always getting &#8216;data&#8217; that suggests that people don&#8217;t like to read on the internet, that they want quick, easy read, power point infor..so they want us to provide that.  In that sense, the internet (like powerpoint) does make people dumber.  It&#8217;s not the internet at fault, but the mindset of CNN-more, quicker, faster, funnier&#8230;and people gravitate to the crap.  Here we have access to an amazing depth of information, but the corporate ideal is to promote to the largest possible audience- which means celebrity news rather than in depth analysis of politics, moralistic email glurge rather than reasoned debate, etc.  </p>
<p>The trick is, I don&#8217;t think people are any different since the advent of internet- there might always be the domination of the hylic instinct to entertain oneself or indulge anger by reading &#8220;common sense&#8221; glurge (who doesn&#8217;t get those horrible emails where the preacher rails against the &#8217;stupidity&#8217; oif the &#8216;elites&#8217; from some family member or co-worker?)  </p>
<p>The ultimate irony of studies like this is that there&#8217;s nothing they can do- they want the submissive, half sleeping people who IM &#8220;Wt R U L8R?&#8221; and post their pics on &#8220;Hot or Not&#8221; to work for them, because those of us who question are anathema (even if in the end they are the creative drive that got those companies made to begin with.)  These activities can also be addictive/compulsive. (I&#8217;ve seen people with check email excessively for newsletters with jokes, &#8220;pretty panty exchanges,&#8221; and other klippothic interests.) They seek slaves, but then they despise them for being slaves.</p>
<p>In the end, though, it&#8217;s the commercial aspect of all of this that enables the rest of us to find and communicate with one another, when we&#8217;re not being &#8220;them.&#8221;</p>
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