Comments on: Aliens and Occult Initatition Rituals

By: Circus is in, aliens are out - [tmbchr]â„¢

Circus is in, aliens are out - [tmbchr]â„¢ — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:26:11 +0000

[...] I forget who I was talking about this with over the past few days, but they were talking about the Creative Alliance, a Baltimore-based non-profit arts group with a really positive reputation around town, supposedly they had some kind of costume ball thing recently. And this year’s theme was “circus” whereas last year’s was “aliens.” [And probably 2012, as a keyword footnote.] I feel like 802.11b is going to ultimately turn out to be more important than 2012. Circus, anyway, is a lot scarier than aliens. Articles With Similar Themes: [...]

By: Aaron

Aaron — Sun, 22 May 2005 07:28:43 +0000

Childbirth was not necessarily more dangerous in primitive times. These days it is actually safer to have your baby at home using natural methods than it is to have it in a hospital with a bunch of unnecessary medical interventions. Interventions that are traumatic for both baby and mother.

Arizona you’re right that childbirth should turn a girl into a women and it does if the birth is handled in the right way (a women who does it drug free and uses the pain to aid the process is a profoundly different person afterwards) Unless it’s a pre booked C-section a birth in a hospital is usually treated as a crisis (so there is still a sense of danger) especially as medical birth processes tend to cause problems during birth, but the crisis is resolved by the medical staff and the mother (in either case) is robbed of a positive intitiation and left with an intiation of failure - surely feeling like you’ve failed in your primary function as a women would increase the chances of the issues you mention.

Medical birth is also hideously traumatic for the baby so Im wondering what the initiation experts have to say about an experience that comes to early in life? but I seem to be getting a little off track…

By: Occult Investigator » Trauma-Based Mind Control

Occult Investigator » Trauma-Based Mind Control — Sat, 21 May 2005 20:16:14 +0000

[...] erm. For evidence of how this works, we need look no farther than our recent discussion of primitive rites of passage. A commenter on Rigorous Intuition [...]

By: boing!!!

boing!!! — Sat, 21 May 2005 07:49:19 +0000

Women seem to get hit with the reality stick early in life-objectified, judged, rejected or accepted at an early age into a tough club.
In my experience, the “others” at some point make you choose them in spite of the fear or really abject, unreasoning terror at their presence. For many years I went camping alone and would stare at the sky, waiting, listening to the woods. Sometimes I think things happened, many times they didn’t. But miracles were all around in any case. One hike I walked straight into a black bear about 8 miles into the hike. It followed me for two miles after I startled it, about 10 feet away to where I could barely hear it sloshing up the river. I walked another 5 miles into the mountains, away from my car and presumably safety. the comfort of the banal, urban, normal surroundings. The next morning deer eating grass and mushrooms around my tent woke me up early. As I cooked water for tea, a string of llamas walked by. No sign of the bear. A beautiful morning. A strange journey.

By: Arizona

Arizona — Sat, 21 May 2005 06:12:24 +0000

Re women’s initiation, childbirth was much more dangerous and well nigh inevitable in primitive times. Childbirth should turn a girl into a woman. It doesn’t always work but it would have worked often enough to be sufficient, together with a small range of rituals and additional symbolism. Modern women do lack that inevitable and dangerous initiation, so there is a corresponding problem there.

I expect that modern women fill in for this absence of initiation through more masochistic behaviour, like good plain neurosis, overeating and undereating, etc.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Sat, 21 May 2005 01:12:14 +0000

This has helped me realise what my ‘initiation’ was; helping someone close to me through counselling for childhood sexual abuse. It turend out to be so stressful for me that I became depressed and had to leave my job. Kind of like being abused by proxy - not as bad as the real thing but bad enough. Anyway, the end result is that yes, I left childish things behind but also I find that I gravitate toward women for company now rather than men - most of whom seem stuck in adolesence. Does this mean women don’t need initiation or is it simply that our soceity sucks so much for women that they all get a traumatic intiation experience by default?

By: Occult Investigator

Occult Investigator — Fri, 20 May 2005 21:24:37 +0000

yeah ill definitely expand on that 9/11 thing soon. i also had another idea i want to jot down before running out.

people talk about trauma-based mind control. how they use horrible acts to essentially “program” you. the technique somehow works because pain causes you to dissociate and become suggestible. this seems like essentially the same thing as what happens in these initiatio rituals described above.

seems like the difference between a rite of passage and trauma based mind control is very small. a rite of passage happens once, and has a supporting cultural mythos. trauma-based mind control happens over and over again, and the mythos is instead implanted inside of the victim, rather than the victim being placed into the cultural mythos

By: Ran

Ran — Fri, 20 May 2005 19:39:38 +0000

Great post, and that 9/11 idea is VERY interesting. It seems to me that it transformed the psyche differently for different people. For me, it was liberating, like a near-death experience. That was the day I started going barefoot in the city, and started standing up to my temp agency, which got me fired two weeks later. I was surprised that it had the opposite effect on the culture at large, making people more fearful, narrow-minded, and generally emotionally contractive.

So I’m thinking, maybe the function of the 9/11 psy-op was to divide Americans into two groups…

By: hf

hf — Fri, 20 May 2005 18:26:43 +0000

(Mind you, the design there came from Al Qaeda, even if W helped for his own reaons.)

By: gouda

gouda — Fri, 20 May 2005 18:25:14 +0000

Tim, you have just summed up juvenile American imperial behavior and its psycho-political state of mind, or being, vis-Ã -vis the rest of the world. Well done.

I think America is somehow represented as BOTH the soft white office guy and the hardened 13-year-old gang hood. “World Politics and Personal Insecurity” indeed (a dry, imperfect but interesting 1930’s book by Harold D. Lasswell).

You are on to something re: the 911 initiation.

By: hf

hf — Fri, 20 May 2005 18:09:42 +0000

Fascinating. Derek, we can distinguish between the motives of various initiators, the various effects of their rites on the initiate, and the reasons people have for seeking such experiences (perhaps unconsciously, as the post suggests). But the reference to 9/11 illustrates the possible dangers of letting someone else design your imprints.

By: J. Puma

J. Puma — Fri, 20 May 2005 17:22:50 +0000

dang i hope you plan to expand on that 9/11 thing. i came to almost the same conclusion & plan to touch on it in my ‘ultradimensional terror & you’ series a little later.

By: Occult Investigator

Occult Investigator — Fri, 20 May 2005 15:28:11 +0000

derek, certainly they are sadistic - but i tend not to see that as the overall point. im more in line with what ray said about how the brutal nature of these events points us towards our own mortality, which induces a radical alteration of the psyche.

i agree with what you said about getting up AFTER your ass is kicked as being whats really important. and i think thats the whole point of these rituals. you undergo extreme trauma, and as a result afterwards you are ten times stronger. just imagine if everyone you knew had undergone the same trauma in the same way. the bond created by it would be so strong.

which makes me think actually of 9/11 as a sort of culture-wide initiation. though for most of us it was a vicarious experience, it was a particularly brutal one which forever transformed our american psyche as a result. the government as well understood this was a point of “imprint vulnerability” and conditioned us as a result to ‘accept’ a completely new value system for the war on terror

By: Derek Gilbert

Derek Gilbert — Fri, 20 May 2005 14:52:11 +0000

The rites of passage you cite have less to do with maturity than sadism, an excuse to inflict humiliation on younger and weaker men. Rates pretty high on the “ate-up-o-meter”, but I agree that there are parallels between these practices and the occult.

Maturity comes from learned responsibility. It has nothing to do with being able to kick ass; it’s more like being able to get back up after your ass is kicked.

By: ray

ray — Fri, 20 May 2005 06:57:51 +0000

Very interesting post. I don’t have too much to comment on, but it strikes me that initiation and (fear of/proximity to) death are closely intertwined. Gut Rumbles says “I know that I NEVER felt as if I were a grown man until my father died, and I was 40 years old at the time.”.

In my own life, the experience of having my partner diagnosed with and treated for cancer was profoundly psyche-altering in a similar way. Alienating, in fact, in many of the ways you describe. Through the whole thing, the only person I could relate to was a co-worker whose husband had had leukemia. Even on the other side of the experience I find I have a lot less to do with other people.

A necessary ingredient seems to be a profound awareness of mortality. Any thoughts on this?