Comments on: Christian Conspiracy Theory

By: Occult Investigator

Occult Investigator — Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:34:06 +0000

rev: check out jeremy’s awesome post about how gnosticism is the “ultimate” conspiracy theory.

By: Rev max

Rev max — Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:51:25 +0000

I see gnosticism as a meta-conspiracy - a template or paradigm for conspiracies after it (i know, thought not original to me but it works)

See also Bataille’s fantastic essay “The Sacred Conspiracy” - tom e this really sums up something profound and important

“Human life is exhausted from serving as the head of, or the reason for, the universe. To the extent that it becomes this head and this reason, to the extent that it becomes necessary to the universe, it accepts servitude. If it is not free, existence becomes empty or neutral and, if it is free, it is in play. The Earth, as long as it only gave rise to cataclysms, trees, and birds, was a free universe; the fascination of freedom was tarnished when the Earth produced a being who demanded necessity as a law above the universe. Man however has remained free not to respond to any necessity; he is free to resemble everything that is not himself in the universe. He can set aside the thought that it is he or God who keeps the rest of things from being absurd.

Man has escaped from his head just as the condemned man has escaped from his prison. He has found beyond himself not God, who is the prohibition against crime, but a being who is unaware of prohibition. Beyond what I am, I meet a being who makes me laugh because he is headless; this fills me with dread because he is made of innocence and crime; he holds a steel weapon in his left hand, flames like those of a Sacred Heart in his right.

He reunites in the same eruption Birth and Death. He is not a man. He is not a god either. He is not me but he is more than me: his stomach is the labyrinth in which he has lost himself, loses me with him, and in which I discover myself as him, in other words as a monster.”

(Georges Bataille, “The Sacred Conspiracy,”
Visions of Excess: Selected Writings,
1927-1937, p.180, pub. A.D.1985)

By: albion

albion — Sat, 18 Jun 2005 02:36:17 +0000

disaffected teens secretly reading david icke

or whoevers the leading fundy-apocalyptic conspiricist.

By: albion

albion — Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:30:33 +0000

the world of christian conspiracy is curiously oriented vis-a-vis the bushies. so much of bush’s support comes from his fundy base - yet so much conspiracy is fundy-apocalyptic in nature. what kind of strange conversations that might be going on in trailer parks across the south… are there disaffected teens secretly reading david icke, hating their parents with their ‘i support president bush and our troops” stickers? i’ve read a number of “i think my mom has been replaced by a reptile” type posts in various fringe UFO forums. it’s kinda sad really.

By: slomo

slomo — Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:27:37 +0000

Yeah, I don’t know. Maybe it was a dumb idea, and my usual gut response to Christian fundamentalists (ick) is the right one.

Your taxonomy and analysis of conspiracy theories is interesting and insightful. I think it could be the subject of a sociology PhD thesis.

By: Haeresis

Haeresis — Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:42:50 +0000

I don’t know that it would be that very much different than the intense societal controls we’re under now, except that maybe they’re be able to shut off our “this is wrong” button. (Look at the “thelema” conversation for instance- we’re arguing about whether or not another group is gnostic because they flaunt the control systems a bit more boldly- but the social controls- sex, bad, drugs, bad, weird, bad, lazy, bad are just as superstition based as they always have been!) We’re now possibly facing a political control system we find intolerant, but I suspect we won’t fight it for the same reasons we won’t fight the others much-fear of being outcast, seen as weird or backward or “tinfoil beanie.” Right when we think we’re the most free, we might be the most trapped.

By: alistair

alistair — Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:29:44 +0000

if for nothing else,i am gratefull to r.a.w. for reminding me that we must maintain a sense of humour.satire,to the humour-impaired,reads as fact.the “taxil hoax” was a masterful play on the inability of certain types to be humerous in thier approach to life.dogma has always equated,in my mind,to humourlessness.i tend to stay away from the downmouth crowd.if your face is stuck like that it`s a clue to me that you`ve been pissing on your own parade for too long.
but maybe it does only take a few minutes to get to sirius and back,in the right ride.

By: Terry

Terry — Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:53:26 +0000

Another blindspot in Christian conspiracies is the “gullibility factor”. Some of the news sites devoted to uncovering the mark of the beast and the coming one-world religion regularly fall prey to stories that are really just satire. One that comes to mind recently is about a church that were giving out Verichips to their congregation. Nearly every christian site picked up on it and the forums were a buzzing … no one had the discernment to point out the fact that it had originated at a site specializing satire. In their zeal to document the massive structure of the antichrist apparatus, they easily fall prey to this sort of thing on a regular basis.

Basic research is often neglected as well. How many more times are we going to be subjected to the “Taxil Hoax” quotes about Pike’s admission of freemasonry’s “true doctrine of Lucifer”! In most situations the lie perpetuates because of malice with the intent to deceive: they have no problem with the Luciferian quotes and the Palladian Rites but they neglect to recount other absudities such as Pike’s devil communicating bracelet, and the time he was wisked away by Satan to Sirius in a round trip that took only minutes. Taxil made fools out of the church a hundred years ago; they’re doing it to themselves today.

One thing they have as an advantage, I feel, over their more secular counterparts is the fact that evil is always factored into the equation. As the saying goes, “the biggest trick the devil ever pulled off was convincing everyone that he doesn’t exist.” The recent stories in the news about ritual sacrifice underscores the worth of a line of investigation that rests solely upon uncovering the machinations of the “chief adversary.”