Comments on: Too Many Tulpas

By: fantastic planet » Holy Thursday: Thoughts on London

fantastic planet » Holy Thursday: Thoughts on London — Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:37:15 +0000

[...] y single act of “terror” and murder, in every different permutation, be it the tulpa we’ve created called “al-Qaeda,” deep political covert ops [...]

By: Occult Investigator » Intentional Burnout

Occult Investigator » Intentional Burnout — Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:09:01 +0000

[...] at I was originally looking for, endlessly parroting the same old lines. To borrow from my earlier discussion of tulpas, it seems like you can do this thing with your thought [...]

By: Occult Investigator » The Problem With Pokemon

Occult Investigator » The Problem With Pokemon — Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:57:28 +0000

[...] ed characters. But really, all you’re doing is manipulating projected thought forms, tulpas. And instead of confronting someone else directly, you each project an idea [...]

By: David

David — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:06:54 +0000

I read somewhere that Charles Tart, teaching a class, would have people sit in a circle and contemplate a paper bag in the middle, identifying as much as possible with the bag. Then all of a sudden he would stomp on the bag. Some people had very visceral, hostile reactions to this.

If people can do that with paper bags, why not … anything else? Lots and lots of projections floating around everywhere. Why wouldn’t some of them organize into familiar shapes … archetypes … institutions … conforming to people’s expectations and shaping those expectations and desires too.

By: Occult Investigator

Occult Investigator — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:55:01 +0000

PKD wrote:

We hypostatize information into objects. Rearrangement of objects is change in the content of the information; the message has changed. This is a language which we have lost the ability to read. We ourselves are a part of this language; changes in us are changes in the information enters us, is processed and is then information-rich; information enters us, is processed and is then projected outward once more, now in an altered form. We are not aware that we are doing this, that in fact this is all we are doing.

By: alistair

alistair — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:50:54 +0000

i always took jesus to mean that when we have a discussion about him(that is two or more people)his spirit is evoked.
could christ have been a tulpa the first time,or are we only reporting part of a sequence?
regarding us being formed out of data.absolutely,why not.and it does tend to regress infinitely.i have seen some simple robots programmed with two lines of code emulate some pretty complex tasks.why not a human?we do tend to act as if programmed and we certainly have the potential to recieve programming.

By: Occult Investigator

Occult Investigator — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:53:37 +0000

WHOA that’s a crazy and awesome reading of that Jesus saying, Jason. I love it! I’ll try to develop that out further.

Thanks also for bringing up the possibility that we ourselves are actually creations of other people’s data. Philip K. Dick runs with this idea pretty extensively. I’ve often thought that culture, especially religion, the intention of it is to essentially create a blueprint for a mind - a robot that operates according to set parameters. I’ll also develop this more. Both are great fuel for more ideas. Thanks again!

By: Jason Bradfield

Jason Bradfield — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:51:01 +0000

Also, didn’t Christ say something like “where two or more gather in my name, there am I”? This seems to imply that a group of people can use data (Christ’s name) to create/summonan entity (Christ) by gathering together. Of course, in this situation it is assumed that the tulpa (Christ) is the master.

By: Jason Bradfield

Jason Bradfield — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:47:05 +0000

The US government seems to be an occult creation. Look at the symbolism on the dollar bill or the symbolism all around Washington, DC. DC is a highly occult city.

As you point out, these creatures can get out of control, which is what has happened to the US gov (beginning with the rejection of the Articles of Confederation imo).

The question “what if we could create a pseudo-life form like this using the writings or data of any person?” made me wonder about another question:

what if we are pseudo-life forms created using the writings or data of another person(s)?

and what if the same applies to that person(s) and so on in infinite regress - so that all reality is information?

This question strikes me as being at the root of many occult ideas.

By: alistair

alistair — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:50:15 +0000

i think we need to include governments in the corporate view.cities are incorporated entitiies,in the legal sense.i wonder if states and provinces are also.certainly countries act as individual entities,and in many ways counter to the public interest.i get the sense in some instances as if government in the “individual”sense sees us as a contagion or other organic threat to the system.
humans have been called a virus before,i believe.

By: David

David — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:19:09 +0000

I wrote a little about this stuff a while ago while reading Walter Wink’s discussion of how our institutions have an interior, psychic reality that isn’t reducible to the people that comprise them, how institutions take on a reality above and beyond what even their founders may desire.

I would partly agree with slomo’s comment but would also argue that any collection of people naturally create psychic structures — egregores as one of your other commenters said. It’s an organic outgrowth of people getting together, sort of the “astral body” of a set of relationships. But individually the denial of our individual spiritual needs translates collectively into mass denial of the spirituality and the psychic needs of these institutions. That’s when they start expressing themselves as Shadow institutions and descend into all this high weirdness and conspiracy.

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:31:40 +0000

Writer Grant Morrison’s made some interesting observations on the nature of corporate personhood, meme-complex and existence as occultic entities. I think, think being the operative word, that he talked about it at length in his Disinfo interview… and the theme is woven through some of his work, particularly The Invisibles, The Filth and Marvel Boy.

Thom Hartmann writes regularly on the political/legal aspects of corporate personhood and how it came into existence… worth checking out too, imho.