13 Reader Responses

1. Bonesman 322 Says:
   June 24th, 2005 at 1:52 pm

   God-damn, I mean Jesus, I mean Holy shit,

   That is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while.

   Funny thing is that the artwork is pretty dang good, except for the incredibly lame angels.

   More evidence that packaging religion as pop culture is just embarrassing.

2. Occult Investigator Says:
   June 24th, 2005 at 1:54 pm

   but imagine this was actually done as a joke. how good would that be? wouldn’t be embarrassing at all. yeah i kind of like the art also

3. Terry Says:
   June 24th, 2005 at 2:20 pm

   Dinosaurs and humans living together has been postulated for many years, and discoveries have been made, and suppressed, that would suggest it.

   Here’s an excerpt from Richard W. Noone’s 5/5/2000 Ice: The Ultimate Disaster, followed by accompanying pics. It concerns the Acambero clay figurines

   …………

   Brad Steiger begins his book Worlds Before Our Own by saying:

   Archaeologists, anthropologists, and various academicians who play the ‘Origins of Man’ game, reluctantly and only occasionally acknowledge instances where unique skeletal and cultural evidence from the prehistoric record suddenly appear long before they should—and in places where they should not.

   Steiger then goes on in the next two hundred pages of his book to list hundreds of “erratics” (unique skeletal and cultural evidence) appearing long before it is generally accepted that they should have. Many of the “erratics” indicate that man and dinosaurs did co-exist.

   Years before Steiger’s book was published, Harper and Row published Peter Tompkins’s Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids. In that expensive and lavishly illustrated volume, a particular “erratic” stands out. Page 360 of Tompkins’s book shows one of the 20,000 engraved stones collected by Dr. Javier Cabrera of lea, Peru. The petroglyph on the stone shows men fighting dinosaurs.

   The whole question of whether or not man co-existed with dinosaurs was not resolved until 1969. In 1945 an accidental discovery of an ancient burial site in Acambaro, Mexico, yielded 32,000 objects of ceramic, jade, and knives made of obsidian (a volcanic material today used in open heart surgery instead of steel because it has a sharper edge which damages the tissues far less than steel). In addition, statues from a few inches long to three feet high or four or five feet long were discovered of great reptiles—some of them in active association with people.

   The people who produced these objects lived on the beach of a lake in a woodland surrounding. Today Acambero is an arid valley with eroded and dessicated surrounding highlands. Geologists have found that the valley itself was filled by a huge lake until sometime after the end of the Ice Age.

   Radio carbon dating performed by Dr. Froelich Rainey in the laboratories of the University of Pennsylvania indicated the age of the samples. Additional tests using the thermoluminescence method of dating pottery were performed to determine the age of the objects. The objects are today dated as having been made around 4000 B.C.—about 6000 years ago.

   After two expeditions to the site (1955 and 1968 respectively) Professor Charles H. Hapgood, Professor of History and Anthropology at Keene State College of the University of New Hampshire, author of Earth’s Shifting Crust (1958), Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings; Evidence of Advanced Civilization in the Ice Age (1966), and The Path of the Pole (1970), recorded the results of his eighteen-year investigation of Acambaro.

   In his paper Mastery in Acambaro: An Account of the Ceramic Collection of the Late Waldeman julsrud, in Acambero, G.T.O., Mexico, Professor Hapgood writes that there were many indications that

   These people had close relationships with animals. We see them petting their dogs, riding wild horses or llamas without saddle or bridle, embracing large monkeys or apes, and having loving relationships with reptiles. It seems possible from some of the figurines that they actually do¬mesticated reptiles, as well as ant-eaters and other mammals. They are shown in friendly relationships with turkeys. It seems as if they identified with animals in a way that we do not.

   Professor Hapgood points out the ceramic collection contains unmistakable “representations of the one-humped American camel of the Ice Age.” Teeth found beside the ceramics were identified by Dr. George Gay-lord Simson, America’s leading paleontologist, at the American Museum of Natural History, as belonging to equus con-versidans owen—an extinct Ice Age horse.

   Commenting on the ceramic collection, Hapgood writes:

   The richness of the imagination displayed by the creators of the objects was incredible, it was uncanny, there was almost a touch of the supernatural to it. All observers have agreed that there is no precedent for it in the annals of archeology.

   The close rapport indicated between people and reptiles strongly suggests an occult component in the culture of the people. They may have been the original people of reptile worship. One obtains from the collection itself a sense of the dark forces within the human psyche, an emphasis on the negative power of fear, and a suggestion of witchcraft in an elementary state of development.

   Photo 1

   Photo 2

   http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/acambero/1.jpg
   http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/acambero/2.jpg

   …………

4. Occult Investigator Says:
   June 24th, 2005 at 2:24 pm

   ah, i have to admit, i really enjoy the hypothesis that dinosaurs and humans lived together. i mean, who wouldn’t? its great. those figures don’t especially “prove” anything to me though. i mean, i can draw a picture of myself in outer space - that doesn’t mean i’ve been to outer space though. also, i forget the name of them, but weren’t there a bunch of rocks in central america somewhere that supposedly had dinosaurs painted on them, but were later revealed to be a hoax?

5. Terry Says:
   June 24th, 2005 at 2:27 pm

   Actually Noone makes the mistake of calling it the “Acambero” collection; the correct spelling is Acambaro. Good pics here too:

   http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-acambaro-dinos.htm

   Seems “hidden history” buffs and creationists use it for there own purposes. Fascinating discovery anyway you look at it.

6. alistair Says:
   June 24th, 2005 at 3:57 pm

   forbidden archeology,who`s author`s name escapes me for the moment,is full of anomalies such as thousand year old batteries and a mechanical device preserved in stone.
   i believe we`ve had technologically advanced civilisation on earth before,and i believe we fucked it up too.

7. Terry Says:
   June 24th, 2005 at 4:08 pm

   Occult Investigator Says:

   i can draw a picture of myself in outer space - that doesn’t mean i’ve been to outer space though.

   No, it simply means you know that outer space even exists. That’s the whole point.

   Another thing that should be obvious, and important to note, is that the official scientific establishment, at any particular time in history, has always saw their totality of knowledge as the pinnacle of human understanding and very close to the ultimate truth. Three hundred years from now, you can bet money on it that they will laugh wholeheartedly at our ignorance here in the 21st century. We take for granted scientific facts such as plate tectonics, the formation of the earth and planets, the age of the universe, Darwinian evolution, star formation, the speed of light - particle/wave, etc. etc. We will also have certain dogmas (and dogmatic bodies) in the future but they certainly will not subscribe to many of the theories we have now.

8. Occult Investigator Says:
   June 24th, 2005 at 4:18 pm

   wait wait. you quoted me saying:

   i can draw a picture of myself in outer space - that doesn’t mean i’ve been to outer space though.

   And then replied:

   No, it simply means you know that outer space even exists. That’s the whole point.

   That doesn’t in fact mean that at all. I can draw a picture of a monster with a thousand heads, each of which looks like urkel, and is wearing sunglasses and smoking a cigar, but that does NOT mean I know that such a thing exists. It simply means I can imagine it based on things that I already know about.

9. Terry Says:
   June 24th, 2005 at 4:28 pm

   They don’t just look like dinosaurs. It’s more accurate than that. You don’t have to be an art specialist to appreciate the overwhelming similarity: Triceratops, Brontosauruses … ya sure, quite the imagination and how convenient that these creatures have actually existed.

   Now if they’re real and not some hoax, that’s an entirely different issue. I’m willing to concede that it is not proven one way or the other. The radiocarbon data from Dr. Froelich Rainey would be nice to look at.

10. Occult Investigator Says:
    June 24th, 2005 at 4:43 pm

    You don’t have to be an art specialist to appreciate the overwhelming similarity […] how convenient that these creatures have actually existed.

    that is precisely my point. it’s too convenient. i don’t pretend to know a lot about the culture or art of the people these are supposedly from, but i do know that most ancient art forms were nowhere near as close to as representational as these photos would have me believe. the “feel” of them seems totally off, totally contrived to me.

    certainly that doesn’t constitute proof or any kind of solid refutation, but it should help explain the background i would bring to the investigation of these artifacts - especialy knowing that such things have been uncovered as hoaxes in central and south america in the past.

11. alistair Says:
    June 24th, 2005 at 5:05 pm

    i don`t recollect reading about the ark having machine guns.

12. Occult Investigator Says:
    June 24th, 2005 at 5:21 pm

    this comic book doesn’t explain either how the flood would have killed all those marine dinosaurs like the pleisiosaur

13. alistair Says:
    June 25th, 2005 at 1:11 pm

    i think that the whole comic book format thingy takes us to a point where we are processing at a grade 3 level and don`t have the critical filters in place.the thesis doesn`t have to be air(or water)tight,merely representational.like pornography.stimulation without context.
    i can remember sitting in sunday school looking at the jesus and disciples comics that we were left with and thinking those beards must have been awfully hot in the sun.i also thought that loaves and fishes would have made an awful meal,especially raw fish.they never said anything about cooking it.i thought that if they can make food,why not roast beef and yorkshire pudding?
    seemed obvious.