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		<title>By: Occult Investigator  &#187; Ken Wilber&#8217;s New World Order</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator  &#187; Ken Wilber&#8217;s New World Order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ve quote? The only evidence I&#8217;ve seen of that so far is his connection to the &#8220;Changing Images 2000&#8221; report of the Fetzer Institute. Wilber seems to  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ve quote? The only evidence I&#8217;ve seen of that so far is his connection to the &#8220;Changing Images 2000&#8221; report of the Fetzer Institute. Wilber seems to  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>definitely worth looking into. ill add it to my list!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>definitely worth looking into. ill add it to my list!</p>
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		<title>By: hebrides</title>
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		<dc:creator>hebrides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to the Council of Nine, didn't the Church of Satan originally have a "Council of Nine" that was supposed to be the governing body?  The Temple of Set currently has a governing body by that name (which I believe was the CoSatan one that broke away from LaVey in '75).  Does anyone know if there may be any relation other than these groups using the same name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the Council of Nine, didn&#8217;t the Church of Satan originally have a &#8220;Council of Nine&#8221; that was supposed to be the governing body?  The Temple of Set currently has a governing body by that name (which I believe was the CoSatan one that broke away from LaVey in &#8216;75).  Does anyone know if there may be any relation other than these groups using the same name?</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i see the struggle between policy based intellectuals and value based intellectuals as equating with a technocrat vs artist dynamic that`s part of the archetecture of civilisation. it`s the on-going struggle inside of government, corporations, sports teams and everywher people come together.
regarding the maoist rural population of vietnam during the war. it reminds me, in one sense, of the american civil war. would it be safe to say that the majority of those casualties were from the rural population?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i see the struggle between policy based intellectuals and value based intellectuals as equating with a technocrat vs artist dynamic that`s part of the archetecture of civilisation. it`s the on-going struggle inside of government, corporations, sports teams and everywher people come together.<br />
regarding the maoist rural population of vietnam during the war. it reminds me, in one sense, of the american civil war. would it be safe to say that the majority of those casualties were from the rural population?</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Aquarian Conspiracy is a classic, the book that really did launch the new age movement, on its better sense.  ItÂ´s a great book.... SRI is another thing... but the Changing Images of Man is a study of its time Tim, the 60s... 

Another more interesting study in one done by the Trilateral Commission In 1975: The Crisis of Democracy. it asked three researchers from Europe, the US and Japan to analize the governance of the developed world. They were Michel Crozier (France), Samuel Huntington and Joji Watanuki. Their conclusions: The rich democracies are losing their capacity to be governed. Factos of inastability multiply.... ItÂ´s not just a crisis, its an structural crisis..." One of the reasons of this crisis are the intellectuals, that criticize  corruption and materialism. The attitude of these intellectuals, more value oriented, contrasts with of the intellectuals closer to the system, policy oriented... The other cause of the chaos for them was the media. They couldnÂ´t afford again a Vietnam live on American TV. So, afterwards they learnt the lesson. Why they kill journalists in Iraq? bad luck? Why the Pentagon ordered to censor the people jumping from the Twin Towers to the void?  Why Huntington wrote Clash of Civilizations? Why The Nine - that the Stargate Conspiracy explains - speak against Islam? THIS is the real study Tim, the one that explains many many things now.... 

Chomsky explains the report: http://www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm
More about the Commission: http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/NWO/nwo8.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Aquarian Conspiracy is a classic, the book that really did launch the new age movement, on its better sense.  ItÂ´s a great book&#8230;. SRI is another thing&#8230; but the Changing Images of Man is a study of its time Tim, the 60s&#8230; </p>
<p>Another more interesting study in one done by the Trilateral Commission In 1975: The Crisis of Democracy. it asked three researchers from Europe, the US and Japan to analize the governance of the developed world. They were Michel Crozier (France), Samuel Huntington and Joji Watanuki. Their conclusions: The rich democracies are losing their capacity to be governed. Factos of inastability multiply&#8230;. ItÂ´s not just a crisis, its an structural crisis&#8230;&#8221; One of the reasons of this crisis are the intellectuals, that criticize  corruption and materialism. The attitude of these intellectuals, more value oriented, contrasts with of the intellectuals closer to the system, policy oriented&#8230; The other cause of the chaos for them was the media. They couldnÂ´t afford again a Vietnam live on American TV. So, afterwards they learnt the lesson. Why they kill journalists in Iraq? bad luck? Why the Pentagon ordered to censor the people jumping from the Twin Towers to the void?  Why Huntington wrote Clash of Civilizations? Why The Nine - that the Stargate Conspiracy explains - speak against Islam? THIS is the real study Tim, the one that explains many many things now&#8230;. </p>
<p>Chomsky explains the report: <a href="http://www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm'>http://www.chomsky.info/books/priorities01.htm</a><br />
More about the Commission: <a href="http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/NWO/nwo8.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/NWO/nwo8.html'>http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/NWO/nwo8.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on the above note, &lt;i&gt;New Scientist&lt;/i&gt; also has a &lt;a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18625051.600&#38;feedId=opinion_rss20" rel="nofollow"&gt;interview &lt;/a&gt; with Masoud Adib, head of philosophy at Mofid University in Qom, Iran, about Islam and the challenge of science. It just seems to be the natural progression, the world over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on the above note, <i>New Scientist</i> also has a <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18625051.600&amp;feedId=opinion_rss20" rel="nofollow">interview </a> with Masoud Adib, head of philosophy at Mofid University in Qom, Iran, about Islam and the challenge of science. It just seems to be the natural progression, the world over.</p>
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		<title>By: zacharius</title>
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		<dc:creator>zacharius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, I'll agree with you Tim, the 2000 version had ken wilber all over it. And while i know you're a bit skeptical of him, i think that can only be a good thing. I know wilbers excessive intellectualism can be a turn off, but he's making inroads with all kinds of people who don't understand anything else, and that's important. 

  He's a modern champion of the perrenial tradition and I've listened to dozens of hours of the interviews on his integral naked.org site, and i can only conclude he's a truly well meaning, funny compassionate and deeply insightfull guy. his main fault might be that he panders too much to aging baby boomers and their reformed narcissism, but that's been his role for ten years or more now. 

 strictly light side of the force in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, I&#8217;ll agree with you Tim, the 2000 version had ken wilber all over it. And while i know you&#8217;re a bit skeptical of him, i think that can only be a good thing. I know wilbers excessive intellectualism can be a turn off, but he&#8217;s making inroads with all kinds of people who don&#8217;t understand anything else, and that&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>  He&#8217;s a modern champion of the perrenial tradition and I&#8217;ve listened to dozens of hours of the interviews on his integral naked.org site, and i can only conclude he&#8217;s a truly well meaning, funny compassionate and deeply insightfull guy. his main fault might be that he panders too much to aging baby boomers and their reformed narcissism, but that&#8217;s been his role for ten years or more now. </p>
<p> strictly light side of the force in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Fell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This also reminds me of the huge hoopla that occurred when &lt;a href="http://www.reason.com/rb/rb082504.shtml" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ronald Bailey&lt;/a&gt; wrote about the President's Council on Bioethics and Francis Fukuyama's &lt;i&gt;Foreign Policy&lt;/i&gt; article:
&lt;blockquote&gt;"What ideas, if embraced, would pose the greatest threat to the welfare of humanity?" That question was posed to eight prominent policy intellectuals by the editors of &lt;i&gt;Foreign Policy&lt;/i&gt; in its September/October issue (not yet available online). One of the eight savants consulted was Francis Fukuyama, professor of international political economy at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, author of &lt;i&gt;Our Posthuman Future: Consequences of the Biotechnology Revolution&lt;/i&gt;, and a member of the President's Council on Bioethics. His choice for the world's most dangerous idea? Transhumanism.

In his Foreign Policy article, Fukuyama identifies transhumanism as "a strange liberation movement" that wants "nothing less than to liberate the human race from its biological constraints." Sounds ominous, no? But wait a minute, isn't human history (and prehistory) all about liberating more and more people from their biological constraints? After all, it's not as though most of us still live in our species' "natural state" as Pleistocene hunter-gatherers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are all these fears of cults and &lt;i&gt;X-Men&lt;/i&gt;-like scenarios, which seems to have the under-educated public fearing the future. Doesn't seem much different than when our grandparents were beating our parents for listening to The Beatles and Jimi Hendrix. Or when our grandparetns were hanging out in cafÃ©s and listening to that confounded big band or Dixieland or swing music. The parents today that don't care sit their kids down in front of their Nintendos and PrayStations, while the ones freaking out don't have the imagination to see what is really possible within the near-future.

And the saddest thing of all is that they never give people enough credit for being creative, beautiful, and being inspired by all this change.

The same fears of NRMs and neo-cults springing up are justified, I guess, in the craziness that was Japan's &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo" rel="nofollow"&gt;Aum Shinrikyo&lt;/a&gt;, the United States' &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian" rel="nofollow"&gt;Branch Davidians&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28cult%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;Heaven's Gate&lt;/a&gt; (and their sweet-ass logo), and countless others. My friend used to work in the University of Alberta Archives and there is a whole section on cults in there, from antiquity to present, and one good point I received from &lt;i&gt;God's Dedris&lt;/i&gt; was that none of them are wrong, none of them are right: they're simply working with different information and symbolism.

Einstein made a good point when he said that "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." As we move forward into this new system, whatever it may come to be called, all these devout spiritual pursuits will be given the gift of scrutiny and reason. Hopefully under the guise of science, a more universal symbolism can be utilised to underline all these systems â€” math? â€” by which we can then build up our designer religious experiences to suit our own subcultural, tribal, branded ways of life.

Has anyone ever thought that all this chasing of phantoms â€” the CIAs, the Satanists, the Illuminati, et cetera â€” is the only seed that needed to be planted in order to confuse any movement. Each field has their own enigmatic enemies of Truth, and I think it's good to be aware of the threats that exist, but chasing ghosts and giving them way more credit and power than they're really worth is more defeating to us as a whole than it is anything else.

And by that, I mean the universe is a nice place if you take away free will. If you believe you can control everything and we're all not fitting into some massive, otherly cybernetic system of grand intelligence, then, by all means, please go ahead and worry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This also reminds me of the huge hoopla that occurred when <a href="http://www.reason.com/rb/rb082504.shtml" rel="nofollow">Ronald Bailey</a> wrote about the President&#8217;s Council on Bioethics and Francis Fukuyama&#8217;s <i>Foreign Policy</i> article:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;What ideas, if embraced, would pose the greatest threat to the welfare of humanity?&#8221; That question was posed to eight prominent policy intellectuals by the editors of <i>Foreign Policy</i> in its September/October issue (not yet available online). One of the eight savants consulted was Francis Fukuyama, professor of international political economy at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, author of <i>Our Posthuman Future: Consequences of the Biotechnology Revolution</i>, and a member of the President&#8217;s Council on Bioethics. His choice for the world&#8217;s most dangerous idea? Transhumanism.</p>
<p>In his Foreign Policy article, Fukuyama identifies transhumanism as &#8220;a strange liberation movement&#8221; that wants &#8220;nothing less than to liberate the human race from its biological constraints.&#8221; Sounds ominous, no? But wait a minute, isn&#8217;t human history (and prehistory) all about liberating more and more people from their biological constraints? After all, it&#8217;s not as though most of us still live in our species&#8217; &#8220;natural state&#8221; as Pleistocene hunter-gatherers.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are all these fears of cults and <i>X-Men</i>-like scenarios, which seems to have the under-educated public fearing the future. Doesn&#8217;t seem much different than when our grandparents were beating our parents for listening to The Beatles and Jimi Hendrix. Or when our grandparetns were hanging out in cafÃ©s and listening to that confounded big band or Dixieland or swing music. The parents today that don&#8217;t care sit their kids down in front of their Nintendos and PrayStations, while the ones freaking out don&#8217;t have the imagination to see what is really possible within the near-future.</p>
<p>And the saddest thing of all is that they never give people enough credit for being creative, beautiful, and being inspired by all this change.</p>
<p>The same fears of NRMs and neo-cults springing up are justified, I guess, in the craziness that was Japan&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo" rel="nofollow">Aum Shinrikyo</a>, the United States&#8217; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian" rel="nofollow">Branch Davidians</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28cult%29" rel="nofollow">Heaven&#8217;s Gate</a> (and their sweet-ass logo), and countless others. My friend used to work in the University of Alberta Archives and there is a whole section on cults in there, from antiquity to present, and one good point I received from <i>God&#8217;s Dedris</i> was that none of them are wrong, none of them are right: they&#8217;re simply working with different information and symbolism.</p>
<p>Einstein made a good point when he said that &#8220;Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.&#8221; As we move forward into this new system, whatever it may come to be called, all these devout spiritual pursuits will be given the gift of scrutiny and reason. Hopefully under the guise of science, a more universal symbolism can be utilised to underline all these systems â€” math? â€” by which we can then build up our designer religious experiences to suit our own subcultural, tribal, branded ways of life.</p>
<p>Has anyone ever thought that all this chasing of phantoms â€” the CIAs, the Satanists, the Illuminati, et cetera â€” is the only seed that needed to be planted in order to confuse any movement. Each field has their own enigmatic enemies of Truth, and I think it&#8217;s good to be aware of the threats that exist, but chasing ghosts and giving them way more credit and power than they&#8217;re really worth is more defeating to us as a whole than it is anything else.</p>
<p>And by that, I mean the universe is a nice place if you take away free will. If you believe you can control everything and we&#8217;re all not fitting into some massive, otherly cybernetic system of grand intelligence, then, by all means, please go ahead and worry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Ohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Ohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/stargate.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is an interesting review of &lt;em&gt;The Stargate Conspiracy&lt;/em&gt;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/stargate.htm" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is an interesting review of <em>The Stargate Conspiracy</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i keep hearing about that book. i just looked on amazon, and one of the things about it said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;the ancient Egyptian gods are real extraterrestrials who will soon return to earth&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does this book deal with a group called the Council of Nine, or "The Nine"? Another name I'd be interested if its in this book: Andrija Puharich. Oh wait i just did a search inside the book on Amazon and both those things are there. The book seems to contain a lot of junk info though, based on accounts I've read of it. You'd say it's worth it though?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i keep hearing about that book. i just looked on amazon, and one of the things about it said:</p>
<blockquote><p>the ancient Egyptian gods are real extraterrestrials who will soon return to earth</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this book deal with a group called the Council of Nine, or &#8220;The Nine&#8221;? Another name I&#8217;d be interested if its in this book: Andrija Puharich. Oh wait i just did a search inside the book on Amazon and both those things are there. The book seems to contain a lot of junk info though, based on accounts I&#8217;ve read of it. You&#8217;d say it&#8217;s worth it though?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I visit Rigorous Intuition this morning, and he's talking about Scientology, and he  mentions, among other things, how well represented Scientologists were in SRI's remote viewing experiments! Synchronicity strikes again. Perhaps we are hearing so much about Scientology right now because someone has decided it's a better candidate for use and control in the current climate than Freemasonry, which might be seen as being a little old fashioned...?

 My familiarity with the report comes from a brief discussion of it in the book &lt;em&gt;The Stargate Conspiracy&lt;/em&gt; by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. That's really a fun book, it's full of stuff about how the work of various writers and researchers in alternative knowledge fields, like Richard Hoagland, Whitley Streiber, Graham Hancock, etc., is really being secretly sponsored by the covert forces that are supposedly trying to supress it. The lead author of the report,  futurist Willis Harman, was the founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, they have plenty of samples of his work at the Institute's website, he also wrote a couple books detailing his thoughts about where things were heading. Harman himself clearly saw the coming  shift in consciousness as a positive thing, although he apparently felt in needed to be "managed" in order to avoid destructive effects.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I visit Rigorous Intuition this morning, and he&#8217;s talking about Scientology, and he  mentions, among other things, how well represented Scientologists were in SRI&#8217;s remote viewing experiments! Synchronicity strikes again. Perhaps we are hearing so much about Scientology right now because someone has decided it&#8217;s a better candidate for use and control in the current climate than Freemasonry, which might be seen as being a little old fashioned&#8230;?</p>
<p> My familiarity with the report comes from a brief discussion of it in the book <em>The Stargate Conspiracy</em> by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. That&#8217;s really a fun book, it&#8217;s full of stuff about how the work of various writers and researchers in alternative knowledge fields, like Richard Hoagland, Whitley Streiber, Graham Hancock, etc., is really being secretly sponsored by the covert forces that are supposedly trying to supress it. The lead author of the report,  futurist Willis Harman, was the founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, they have plenty of samples of his work at the Institute&#8217;s website, he also wrote a couple books detailing his thoughts about where things were heading. Harman himself clearly saw the coming  shift in consciousness as a positive thing, although he apparently felt in needed to be &#8220;managed&#8221; in order to avoid destructive effects.</p>
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