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	<title>Comments on: L. Ron Hubbard vs. Philip K. Dick</title>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ron`s concepts served his life`s purpose........the rattlesnakes were an artifact of the corporitisation of any emerging new religion. the catholics used to burn people to death for the same reason.
tom did do a good job in minority report. interesting convergence.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ron`s concepts served his life`s purpose&#8230;&#8230;..the rattlesnakes were an artifact of the corporitisation of any emerging new religion. the catholics used to burn people to death for the same reason.<br />
tom did do a good job in minority report. interesting convergence.</p>
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		<title>By: rev max</title>
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		<dc:creator>rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Ron&#039;s concepts were so great his followers wouldn&#039;t have to mail rattlesnakes to people who try to leave his system

Tom Cruise did a good job in Minority Report though
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Ron&#8217;s concepts were so great his followers wouldn&#8217;t have to mail rattlesnakes to people who try to leave his system</p>
<p>Tom Cruise did a good job in Minority Report though</p>
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		<title>By: Haeresis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haeresis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a weird question.</description>
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		<title>By: boing!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>boing!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are you related to Jello Biafra?
Dick wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you related to Jello Biafra?<br />
Dick wins.</p>
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		<title>By: little dynamo</title>
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		<dc:creator>little dynamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh, i think they already HAD the fight

and from where i sit, it dont look like PK needs any help . . .

as for McKenna, his exponential-novelty teleo-theory looks a lot less like &quot;theory&quot; with each passing day

this is excerpted from an essay on the connections between Dick, McKenna, &quot;VALIS&quot; and autistics:


â€œHomeoplasmatesâ€ was the word Dick used to describe the liberative and semi-divine â€œagentsâ€ of VALIS.  He suggested that when Rome razed Jerusalemâ€™s Second Temple in 70 B.C.E., time itself ceased.

The â€œhomeoplasmatesâ€ escaping execution dove underground, resurfacing in 1945 

Through Qumran and other methods, Dick claimed that the homeoplasmates kickstarted time again, as living water fell from the scroll-jars of Nag Hammadi.    

P.K. Dickâ€™s â€œGodâ€ -- like our throwaway psychos and autistic â€œretardsâ€ -- hides amongst the detritus and banalities of life, and, as Dick writes, mimics â€œsticks and trees and beer cans in gutters,â€ presuming â€œto be trash discarded, debris no longer needed.â€  Not surprisingly, the wisest alchemists also called the Philosopherâ€™s Stone â€œthe commonest of things, available in every street and marketplace.â€

Not coincidentally, the late Terence McKenna â€“ a Walking Novelty who was actually *early* -- was the Westâ€™s chief explicator of synchronic teleology, the notion that not all events are â€œdeterminedâ€ by replicable cause and effect, as in the scientific method, but rather are pulled, or attracted, by a numinous Cause located in the future, magnetizing the past to its ultimate Source.

In the afterword to Philip Dickâ€™s neo-gnostic compilation, In Pursuit of Valis: Selections from the Exegesis, McKenna relates how one fateful day in 1971, the yammering wound of the Logos passed from himself to Dick -- even as McKennaâ€™s natal brother, Dennis, was facing down the void in Amazonia:


&quot;Unknown to me, a struggling, overweight SF writer, an idol of mine since my teens, discovered the next day that his house had been broken into, his privacy violated by the Other . . . the torch had been passed, in a weird way the most intense phase of my episode of illumination/delusion ended right where Philâ€™s began.

&quot;This raises some questions:

&quot;Can we refer to a delusional system as a folie a&#039; deux, if the deux participants have never met and are practically speaking, unaware of each othersâ€™ existence?

&quot;Does the delusion of one visionary ecstatic validate the delusion of another? How many deluded, or illuminated ecstatics does it take to make a reality? PKD proved that it only takes one. But two is better.&quot;



Indeed, two *is* better -- it spreads out the paranoia! 

And the blame!

And a bunch is better than two!

McKenna raves on:

&quot;Phil wasnâ€™t nuts. Phil was a vortex victim. Schizophrenia is not a psychological disorder peculiar to human beings. Schizophrenia is not a disease at all but rather a localized traveling discontinuity of the space-time matrix itself. . . [T]here is an idea that wants to be born, it has wanted to be born for a very long time. And sometimes that longing to be born settles on a person. For no damn good reason. Then youâ€™re &quot;it,&quot; you become the cheese, and the cheese stands alone. You are illuminated and maddened and lifted up by something great beyond all telling. It wants to be told. Itâ€™s just that this idea is so damn big that it canâ€™t be told, or rather the whole of history is the telling of this idea, the stuttering rambling effort of the sons and daughters of poor old Noah to tell this blinding, reality-shattering, bowel-loosening truth. And Phil had a piece of the action, a major piece of the action.&quot;


As McKenna put it: â€œBeing is a solid state matrix and psychosis is the redemptive process ne plus ultra.â€  

or


&quot;Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.&quot;

(2, Gospel of Thomas, Scholarsâ€™ Translation)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh, i think they already HAD the fight</p>
<p>and from where i sit, it dont look like PK needs any help . . .</p>
<p>as for McKenna, his exponential-novelty teleo-theory looks a lot less like &#8220;theory&#8221; with each passing day</p>
<p>this is excerpted from an essay on the connections between Dick, McKenna, &#8220;VALIS&#8221; and autistics:</p>
<p>â€œHomeoplasmatesâ€ was the word Dick used to describe the liberative and semi-divine â€œagentsâ€ of VALIS.  He suggested that when Rome razed Jerusalemâ€™s Second Temple in 70 B.C.E., time itself ceased.</p>
<p>The â€œhomeoplasmatesâ€ escaping execution dove underground, resurfacing in 1945 </p>
<p>Through Qumran and other methods, Dick claimed that the homeoplasmates kickstarted time again, as living water fell from the scroll-jars of Nag Hammadi.    </p>
<p>P.K. Dickâ€™s â€œGodâ€ &#8212; like our throwaway psychos and autistic â€œretardsâ€ &#8212; hides amongst the detritus and banalities of life, and, as Dick writes, mimics â€œsticks and trees and beer cans in gutters,â€ presuming â€œto be trash discarded, debris no longer needed.â€  Not surprisingly, the wisest alchemists also called the Philosopherâ€™s Stone â€œthe commonest of things, available in every street and marketplace.â€</p>
<p>Not coincidentally, the late Terence McKenna â€“ a Walking Novelty who was actually *early* &#8212; was the Westâ€™s chief explicator of synchronic teleology, the notion that not all events are â€œdeterminedâ€ by replicable cause and effect, as in the scientific method, but rather are pulled, or attracted, by a numinous Cause located in the future, magnetizing the past to its ultimate Source.</p>
<p>In the afterword to Philip Dickâ€™s neo-gnostic compilation, In Pursuit of Valis: Selections from the Exegesis, McKenna relates how one fateful day in 1971, the yammering wound of the Logos passed from himself to Dick &#8212; even as McKennaâ€™s natal brother, Dennis, was facing down the void in Amazonia:</p>
<p>&#8220;Unknown to me, a struggling, overweight SF writer, an idol of mine since my teens, discovered the next day that his house had been broken into, his privacy violated by the Other . . . the torch had been passed, in a weird way the most intense phase of my episode of illumination/delusion ended right where Philâ€™s began.</p>
<p>&#8220;This raises some questions:</p>
<p>&#8220;Can we refer to a delusional system as a folie a&#8217; deux, if the deux participants have never met and are practically speaking, unaware of each othersâ€™ existence?</p>
<p>&#8220;Does the delusion of one visionary ecstatic validate the delusion of another? How many deluded, or illuminated ecstatics does it take to make a reality? PKD proved that it only takes one. But two is better.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, two *is* better &#8212; it spreads out the paranoia! </p>
<p>And the blame!</p>
<p>And a bunch is better than two!</p>
<p>McKenna raves on:</p>
<p>&#8220;Phil wasnâ€™t nuts. Phil was a vortex victim. Schizophrenia is not a psychological disorder peculiar to human beings. Schizophrenia is not a disease at all but rather a localized traveling discontinuity of the space-time matrix itself. . . [T]here is an idea that wants to be born, it has wanted to be born for a very long time. And sometimes that longing to be born settles on a person. For no damn good reason. Then youâ€™re &#8220;it,&#8221; you become the cheese, and the cheese stands alone. You are illuminated and maddened and lifted up by something great beyond all telling. It wants to be told. Itâ€™s just that this idea is so damn big that it canâ€™t be told, or rather the whole of history is the telling of this idea, the stuttering rambling effort of the sons and daughters of poor old Noah to tell this blinding, reality-shattering, bowel-loosening truth. And Phil had a piece of the action, a major piece of the action.&#8221;</p>
<p>As McKenna put it: â€œBeing is a solid state matrix and psychosis is the redemptive process ne plus ultra.â€  </p>
<p>or</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.&#8221;</p>
<p>(2, Gospel of Thomas, Scholarsâ€™ Translation)</p>
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		<title>By: slomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>slomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why have them fight at all? 

Let them serve as their own examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why have them fight at all? </p>
<p>Let them serve as their own examples.</p>
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		<title>By: zacharius</title>
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		<dc:creator>zacharius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think L Ron would go down like a bitch. Too many prescription painkillers. Never had any hard living experience. 

 Phil was toughened up on eating horsemeat and got those amphetamine relfexes. 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think L Ron would go down like a bitch. Too many prescription painkillers. Never had any hard living experience. </p>
<p> Phil was toughened up on eating horsemeat and got those amphetamine relfexes.</p>
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