mebbe “weird” but certainly well-documented, as the alchemical tomes teem with “nigredo” references, and jung filled lots o leaves with musings on sol niger etc

but Chuckles refers here specifically to what inhabits the air-sublunar, that the animal-eye can’t see

in the Rolling Stone/Manson interview, Family member “Clem” leads the reporter to his Man, pointedly communicating about the sun sending out “spirals” (sol niger, the night-journeying “king” — the sun’s dark rays travelling backwards and underground from west to east)

Clem calls it “a hole in all dimensions” and the same “symbolism” is found in ancient iconography, especially on cylinder seals and lithics

Chuckles is a modern Set, amogst other thangs . . . an Extrusion of the goddess, “brought to life” in a frankenstinian/faustian sense by the “zeitgeist of the times”

he’s the maternal brother who performed (and performs still) blood initiations/propitiations/fertility rites for the matriarchal Tribe (uh . . . that’d be US, It Takes A Village!!)

:O)

also from the RS interview, Manson sums his attitude towards the father, masculinity, egoic consciousness, etc.:

“Ego is the man, the male image. [His face tenses, his eyes dart
and threaten. He clenches his fist, bangs it on the table. He gets
completely behind it, acting it out, the veins standing out in his
neck.] Ego is the phallic symbol, the helmet, the gun. The man
behind the gun, the mind behind the man behind the gun. My philosophy is that ego is the thinking mind. The mind you scheme with, make war with. They shoved all the love in the back, hid it away. Ego is like, “I’m going to war with my ego stick.”

and he thinks he’s Jeezus!! LOL!! — uh, wasn’t he the guy who yammered on Constantly about Brotherhood, the Father, and the Kingdom of Heaven??

sounds like he wasn’t quite so down on Daddy as pore lil’ Chuckie

like the Zodiac, Chuckles is a Manifestation of the Devouring Goddess — the son-servant of the re-arising goddess and the new matriarchate

and like their ancient predecessors, for all their intellect and occult knowledge, Zodie and Chuckles always remain man/sons — they never quite make it to manhood itself, and praps never will — mebbe that’s the inner cauldron that drives their inferiority and rage . . .

to me charles manson symbolised the death of the love generation

Why must the love generation be dead? Who killed it? Why can’t we find a way to have the love generation transcend the expectations of such a concept? Perhaps the “love generation” was none of the above. Maybe it was only another random lesson from which we can glean transcendent.

In my opinion there is a deep and logical empathy that exists just under the surface of modern western culture. It’s existence will only be hastened by the coming collapse of the extant economic structure. We will see if the install of Humanity 1.0 was a true install by how quickly the anti-viral institution quarantines the binary actors of Humanity 1.0. I have no idea how far you can take that analogy any more than the time to act is pretty much about now. Have you consulted the code that makes you tick recently? Your libraries have been hacked and are being referenced by the archons as we speak. They know more about you than you do about yourself.

if in the postulate, manson=terrorism, who is the agency behind the acts? or did manson act alone with his group?

I don’t know whether Manson’s original impetus is all that an important avenue of discovery anymore. Just as perhaps conspiracy theories behind the assassination of JFK obscures much more than it reveals. There are now so many layers of bullshit and campaigns to remarket the symbols that the symbols themselves are intrinsically useless. Look at that old question Geraldo Rivera posed to Manson that rev max brings up in another thread:

“So are you a monster or just a misunderstood madman?”

The well to understanding Manson’s predilection to guruism has been irretrievably poisoned. I think uncovering why Manson did what he did and is who he is is a dead end. That his evil has stayed current within a system that is many times in magnitude more evil, speaks more about Manson being a convenient receptacle more than what caused it. We can learn far more about the evil of Manson and whoever it is he followed by exploring the reasons Manson had any zealous followers at all.

Manson=Terrorism. All things at all times to all people.

i don’t think it’s fair to say he hasn’t “got it”.

It’s not about fair- he hasn’t. Charlie’s just one of dozens who, when confronted with thneir inner Choronzon, lost to the dragon.

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as to whether he was enlightened, or attained ‘gnosis,’ well, all i can say is it’s possible to have ‘it’ and then lose ‘it’ or abuse ‘it,’ too.

i don’t think it’s fair to say he hasn’t “got it”. who has? two or three people in the past 5000 years? the rest of us are just running around in the dark, trying to decode all this confusing/scary/awesome shit. it seems to me that’s exactly what he’s doing, to the best of his ability — trying to understand his universe. he’s a seeker, and he happens to be a traumatized one. i think some of the loopier elements of his ideologies might very well come from a need to compensate emotionally/psychologically for all the shit he’s been through.

it’s almost impossible to know what really went down, but it seems like he may have received some serious “grooming” (to put it gently) prior to the murders. let’s not forget that there are some real fucked up cowards working behind the scenes, and they LOVE the maleable, ignorant, splintered souls who they can employ to do their dirty work. if you put the whole thing into a broader, more “paranoid” social/political context, it starts to look pretty fucking suspicious.

i think he was ripe for the picking, and they picked him.

And no, of course he doesn’t mond prison..he’s treated like a celebrity, always has worshipful fans and visitors, free food, and all the attention he could ever want.

you could say that about any guru who gained some popularity, were they all deluded too?

*that* thing.

Well, frankly, no, he hasn’t got it.; He’d never let go of being the great and powerful charlie…but he sure gets off on people thinkiong he knows something.

And no, of course he doesn’t mond prison..he’s treated like a celebrity, always has worshipful fans and visitors, free food, and all the attention he could ever want.

If I were ruler of the universe he’d be sitting on a poch right now smokin a corn cob pipe and the sun set, playing fetch with his dog, not rotting away in some crummy prison. Poor fucker.

*that* thing.

why? what were you talking about?

Are you saying you think he’s faking it?

No, I think he knows there’s a joke and therefore believes he has the punchline.

but it’s not like manson is short on pithy sayings.

They know the semantics of the joke but they don’t “get” the punchline, which is sublime- but to them, worthless, because they believe they’ve processed it.

Are you saying you think he’s faking it?