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		<title>By: Fell</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/04/for-love-or-money/comment-page-1/#comment-2542</link>
		<dc:creator>Fell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems the post ate up the link to the book, so here it is:
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561841978/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the post ate up the link to the book, so here it is:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561841978/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561841978/'>http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561841978/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fell</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/04/for-love-or-money/comment-page-1/#comment-2541</link>
		<dc:creator>Fell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;zacharius&lt;/strong&gt; summed it up proper, above. As I posted about &lt;a href="http://hatestupid.blogspot.com/2005/06/casting-sigil-magic-to-get-laid.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;casting sigils to get laid&lt;/a&gt;, you quickly come to realise that what you &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; is not exactly what is best for you.

It takes some experience with meditation and dichotomies such as paradoxes and contradictions before one can seeminly become comfortable with the actual act of just existing, being able to slough off belief and adopt it willingly, to just enjoy life as a mythic journey.

If anyone must beware anything, it is belief itself.

On the note of ceremonial magic, has anyone else read &lt;i&gt;Ceremonial Magic &#38; the Power of Evocation&lt;/i&gt;? Dr Lisiewski makes some interesting claims and lays done some great work. I hope to begin working from it later this year:â€”

&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561841978/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>zacharius</strong> summed it up proper, above. As I posted about <a href="http://hatestupid.blogspot.com/2005/06/casting-sigil-magic-to-get-laid.html" rel="nofollow">casting sigils to get laid</a>, you quickly come to realise that what you <i>want</i> is not exactly what is best for you.</p>
<p>It takes some experience with meditation and dichotomies such as paradoxes and contradictions before one can seeminly become comfortable with the actual act of just existing, being able to slough off belief and adopt it willingly, to just enjoy life as a mythic journey.</p>
<p>If anyone must beware anything, it is belief itself.</p>
<p>On the note of ceremonial magic, has anyone else read <i>Ceremonial Magic &amp; the Power of Evocation</i>? Dr Lisiewski makes some interesting claims and lays done some great work. I hope to begin working from it later this year:â€”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561841978/" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freeman, I'm an asshole. I admit it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeman, I&#8217;m an asshole. I admit it!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Conlon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Conlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, what is the "transcendental value or system" behind the dichotomy of human's Will vs. God's will, damn, sometimes I am not too stupid.  Gonna have to think about this.

Ciao.

-tc

"There's only pleasure and pain"
-Jane's Addiction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, what is the &#8220;transcendental value or system&#8221; behind the dichotomy of human&#8217;s Will vs. God&#8217;s will, damn, sometimes I am not too stupid.  Gonna have to think about this.</p>
<p>Ciao.</p>
<p>-tc</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s only pleasure and pain&#8221;<br />
-Jane&#8217;s Addiction</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Conlon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Conlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, Crowley was very into the idea of 'transcending' dichotomous ideas such as "good" and "evil" ... be Because damned for a dog...

Still comes down to your Will/God's Will...  apple or garden, takes yer pick.

-tc
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, Crowley was very into the idea of &#8216;transcending&#8217; dichotomous ideas such as &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;evil&#8221; &#8230; be Because damned for a dog&#8230;</p>
<p>Still comes down to your Will/God&#8217;s Will&#8230;  apple or garden, takes yer pick.</p>
<p>-tc</p>
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		<title>By: Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 19:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, again, you didn't &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; a "critique of ritual magic(k)." You cherry-picked a few examples of the excesses thereof, and correctly identified some of them as equine excrement. All this proves is that you have a working shit-detector, and that you don't always point it at what you write yourself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, again, you didn&#8217;t <em>do</em> a &#8220;critique of ritual magic(k).&#8221; You cherry-picked a few examples of the excesses thereof, and correctly identified some of them as equine excrement. All this proves is that you have a working shit-detector, and that you don&#8217;t always point it at what you write yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: queenkellee</title>
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		<dc:creator>queenkellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 19:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™m getting really into the practice of being able to hold two completely contradictory principles in mind at the same time and have them be both as right or as wrong as one another.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I love the paradox.  Kierkegaard's "Fear and Trembling" in college gave me an all new respect. Now I find them yummy. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;do you have to â€œbelieveâ€ in magic for it to work?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Think about belief. It's a personal thing. You believe it --otherwise it woudn't be a belief of yours. If you're only trying to believe something, it's not really a belief, more like a wish, which with the right mindset will keep itself far away from you (if you always put this idea as something in the future or "someday"--that's exactly when it's going to happen--never in the present).
Your world is driven by your perception of it. A very large part of your perception is put in place by your beliefs.
Look at Quantum Physics, which says that everything is really only a "possiblity" at the smallest level. What determines how you go from "possibility" to "reality"? One could say action, but what prefaces action? belief.
Belief drives your actions, and stronger belief will drive your actions further.
(and emotions drive your belief, but i won't get into that tangent...)
But just believing in something won't make it true if other of your beliefs don't fit with it, or work against it. You may want to be rich and try to believe: I AM RICH in order to make yourself so, but if you hold another, deeper set belief (that you may not be aware of) that you feel you are "worthless" then your rich belief won't go anywhere. the worthless belief is stronger in this case (as it has put you in your current situation of not being "rich" and wishing to be so)
So just believing won't work, but I think if your beliefs are all going toward the same goal it can and does. 
It's not really "magic" or anything. it's how we operate every day of our lives, we just are most of the time completely unaware of it.
Life is made and broken in the details. Silly little details. ;)
my 2 cents... :)
(and tim thanks for the great website--i'm hooked)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Iâ€™m getting really into the practice of being able to hold two completely contradictory principles in mind at the same time and have them be both as right or as wrong as one another.</p></blockquote>
<p>I love the paradox.  Kierkegaard&#8217;s &#8220;Fear and Trembling&#8221; in college gave me an all new respect. Now I find them yummy. </p>
<blockquote><p>do you have to â€œbelieveâ€ in magic for it to work?</p></blockquote>
<p>Think about belief. It&#8217;s a personal thing. You believe it &#8211;otherwise it woudn&#8217;t be a belief of yours. If you&#8217;re only trying to believe something, it&#8217;s not really a belief, more like a wish, which with the right mindset will keep itself far away from you (if you always put this idea as something in the future or &#8220;someday&#8221;&#8211;that&#8217;s exactly when it&#8217;s going to happen&#8211;never in the present).<br />
Your world is driven by your perception of it. A very large part of your perception is put in place by your beliefs.<br />
Look at Quantum Physics, which says that everything is really only a &#8220;possiblity&#8221; at the smallest level. What determines how you go from &#8220;possibility&#8221; to &#8220;reality&#8221;? One could say action, but what prefaces action? belief.<br />
Belief drives your actions, and stronger belief will drive your actions further.<br />
(and emotions drive your belief, but i won&#8217;t get into that tangent&#8230;)<br />
But just believing in something won&#8217;t make it true if other of your beliefs don&#8217;t fit with it, or work against it. You may want to be rich and try to believe: I AM RICH in order to make yourself so, but if you hold another, deeper set belief (that you may not be aware of) that you feel you are &#8220;worthless&#8221; then your rich belief won&#8217;t go anywhere. the worthless belief is stronger in this case (as it has put you in your current situation of not being &#8220;rich&#8221; and wishing to be so)<br />
So just believing won&#8217;t work, but I think if your beliefs are all going toward the same goal it can and does.<br />
It&#8217;s not really &#8220;magic&#8221; or anything. it&#8217;s how we operate every day of our lives, we just are most of the time completely unaware of it.<br />
Life is made and broken in the details. Silly little details. <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
my 2 cents&#8230; <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
(and tim thanks for the great website&#8211;i&#8217;m hooked)</p>
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		<title>By: Rev max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> the only pitfall is, getting what you want is not neccisarily the best thing for your growth

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You can get things that are wrong for you and it takes you months to recover. 
that's why you have to ask your spiritual guides and your ancestors what would best for you first. 
nobody can make you pick what would be best for you but why would you want to pick something wrong?

I always pray for guidance before I do anything
If my spirits say no i don't do it
i often found out why later 

then again too many people are mired in short-term thinking and play now pay later sort of mindset
those people should not practice magic as they will get burned
then they come out of it and convert to fundamentalist Xianity and denounce magic as something evil
when the truth is they never were able to take responsibility for themselves in the first place

you can get guidance, you can have the ability to make changes
but the responsibility is still on you
abuse it, misuse it, do evil things
God will get pissed off that you disrespected him
and surely you will learn a valuable lesson from that too

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only pitfall is, getting what you want is not neccisarily the best thing for your growth</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>You can get things that are wrong for you and it takes you months to recover.<br />
that&#8217;s why you have to ask your spiritual guides and your ancestors what would best for you first.<br />
nobody can make you pick what would be best for you but why would you want to pick something wrong?</p>
<p>I always pray for guidance before I do anything<br />
If my spirits say no i don&#8217;t do it<br />
i often found out why later </p>
<p>then again too many people are mired in short-term thinking and play now pay later sort of mindset<br />
those people should not practice magic as they will get burned<br />
then they come out of it and convert to fundamentalist Xianity and denounce magic as something evil<br />
when the truth is they never were able to take responsibility for themselves in the first place</p>
<p>you can get guidance, you can have the ability to make changes<br />
but the responsibility is still on you<br />
abuse it, misuse it, do evil things<br />
God will get pissed off that you disrespected him<br />
and surely you will learn a valuable lesson from that too</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a great point actually. Just because you want something doesn't mean that's what you should really get. I guess that's part of the point of genie fairy tales</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great point actually. Just because you want something doesn&#8217;t mean that&#8217;s what you should really get. I guess that&#8217;s part of the point of genie fairy tales</p>
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		<title>By: zacharius</title>
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		<dc:creator>zacharius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>getting love or money through ritual magick is no different than getting it any other way. you just develop a different set of skills to do it.

 the only pitfall is, getting what you want is not neccisarily the best thing for your growth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>getting love or money through ritual magick is no different than getting it any other way. you just develop a different set of skills to do it.</p>
<p> the only pitfall is, getting what you want is not neccisarily the best thing for your growth</p>
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