Comments on: Cultural Warfare, CIA-Style

By: Do I Work For The Government? - [tmbchr]â„¢

Do I Work For The Government? - [tmbchr]â„¢ — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:28:40 +0000

[...] This whole thing reminds me of that book claiming that Abstract Expressionism became popular because the CIA funded the art movement to promote the intellectual freedoms enjoyed by US citizens amongst European intellectuals. I have no idea if that’s “true” or not, but it sounds totally cool. [...]

By: Occult Investigator » A Conspiracy Crisis

Occult Investigator » A Conspiracy Crisis — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:38:06 +0000

[...] idn’t also have a positive effect on millions of people? If the government was using Abstract Expressionism as a propaganda tool, does that mean they aren’t stil [...]

By: Occult Investigator » Rockefellers Funded Terence McKenna?

Occult Investigator » Rockefellers Funded Terence McKenna? — Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:19:54 +0000

[...] he other side though! Recently I found out that the Rockefellers had a significant hand in promoting the Abstract Expressionist movement in the 50’s, somehow connected [...]

By: McCoy

McCoy — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:07:21 +0000

Iâ€™m constantly amazed at what a prolific researcher you are.
Isnâ€™t it interesting that representational art derived from the power of visualization (imagination) is not taken seriously by the art elite, and are generally considered â€œlow-browâ€. This is what theyâ€™re saying â€œYou donâ€™t have the right to project your idea of what reality is onto our world, thatâ€™s for usâ€. This is essentially dominion in the magical realm. How about the timing? The Influx of Surrealists fleeing the war in Europe was beginning to exert a powerful influence on American artists. This had to be eradicated immediately. This line is from Antonin Artaudâ€™s Address to the Pope (Iâ€™m sure this will resonate profoundly with this Gnostic coterie); â€œWe donâ€™t give a damn for your canons, index, sin, confessional, clergy, we are thinking of another war- war on you, Pope, dog.â€

I like the term â€œrabbit holeâ€, but donâ€™t you know itâ€™s the abyss?

c -A- ry.

By: Occult Investigator

Occult Investigator — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:38:18 +0000

and there is a good amount of evidence that Communism wasnt exactly seen as a evil as much as it was a staged evil in itself.. and from looking at what we now have in terms of global politics, it seems Communism took the dive right on cue.

I agree, but I’ve been holding off on incorporating that, because it’s hard enough to understand this on it’s own.

this is not just history.

its very much going on right nowâ€¦.

Absolutely, none of these projects ended, they just went into a new phase. I’m hoping to understand something of the why and how they operated in the past to uncover them now.

it was political opposition that was dismantled.

Yeah, I think I meant the same thing. Like the credibility of the groups were destroyed, not the groups

By: albion

albion — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:27:22 +0000

really excellent stuff lately tim. just one quibble:

within the next 3-5 years, the counter-culture was effectively dismantled

that’s not how i’d put it. as i see it, the counter-culture was created. it was political opposition that was dismantled.

By: human?

human? — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:10:38 +0000

and btw, this is not just history.

its very much going on right now….

a little different style.. a little bit better propaganda… same darkness.

By: human?

human? — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:05:24 +0000

id just like to point out that Henry Luce is also a member of Skull & Bones, and also founded Time & Fortune magazines.

and there is a good amount of evidence that Communism wasnt exactly seen as a evil as much as it was a staged evil in itself.. and from looking at what we now have in terms of global politics, it seems Communism took the dive right on cue.

dont underestimate the Rockefellers…. thye put alot of thought into what they do… especially with their money..

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By: John

John — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:37:15 +0000

I think in this case, what the Rockefellers believed is and was irrelevant. They were wealthy and they got that way by exploiting the living shit out of people and by being innovative about it. And i’m sure it looked splendid from the top, too! Anything that threatened the life and ancestry that they had carved out for themselves undoubtedly looked EVIL to them and needed to be squashed.

They were shaping a workforce, building a new american mythology … whatever it was, they were using people to achieve some alien, outward goal of efficiency. We are the energy source - but just as petroleum serves many purposes and needs to be refined differently depending on the application, so do we.

I take back what I said about how what the Rockefellers believed is irrelevant. Lets just not forget that Colonel Mustard is DEAD. Who cares whether they used the candlestick!

By: Occult Investigator

Occult Investigator — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:42:10 +0000

I know, I’m pretty overwhelmed by it as well. I really do wonder if they actually believed all this or what? The more I find out about it, the more far-reaching it seems. The next stage I want to follow up on is where exactly this policy of “promote free expression” changed so drastically. I assume it was in the mix-60’s as mentioned above.

Looks like it was 1960 or 61 when Eisenhower warned of the rise of the military industrial complex. (Timeline of the sixties) Maybe his mind changed. Anyway that timeline’s pretty interesting to see it all laid out like that.

By: Inder

Inder — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:08:57 +0000

This is pretty remarkable stuff. Given my rabid cynicsm these days I’m hesitant to ascribe any semblance of decency or naivety to the motives of Rockefeller and Eisenhower, but maybe they were so inured by their own beliefs about American freedom that they thought that all “evil” (i.e. the Soviet Union) could be destroyed by encouraging free expression. Spreading non-conformity as a form of covert warfare? nuts.

Somehow i get the feeling that the powerful probably wouldn’t make that mistake again today.

By: Occult Investigator » The Esalen Soviet Exchange Program

Occult Investigator » The Esalen Soviet Exchange Program — Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:52:15 +0000

[...] Busters) In any event, it’s starting to seem like there’s a pattern with the Rockefellers and the CIA funding the “counter-culture” in the name of [...]