Comments on: What’s the Deal With Vacaville? http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:44:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Was it all bad? Germans look anew at Nazi taboos - Page 2 - Volconvo Debate Forums http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-86551 Was it all bad? Germans look anew at Nazi taboos - Page 2 - Volconvo Debate Forums Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:55:44 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-86551 [...] Quote by: Nono Prax, you're deeply confused between productive economic activity and destructive activity. As Bobby says, having your country (and others) levelled is a gigantic net loss, obviously. It's like arguing that the 1917 Halifax explosion was a terrific boon to window manufacturers, and therefore "not all bad". Quite a strange point of view. You are not taking into consideration the importance of controlling a region, such as the US has been attempting do ever since the establishment of Israel, Vietnam and the Prussian Gulf war. These are economic/military objectives and the US adopted this consciousness which began with a Prussian general. Mass production demands mass resources and mass markets. This is assured with military might, and the control of shipping lanes and regions. 9/11 was an attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. This was an attack on the New World Order, not the citizens of US. It would be so nice if everyone woke up and smelled the coffee. As for the other countries not continuing with the excessively inhuman human experiments done by the NAZI, this belief is ignorant of what is happening within the US. From the spread of LSD to the inhumane treatment of prisoners, the experimenting continues in the US. Slave Revolt: United States of Guinea PigsBEHAVIOR MODIFICATION PROGRAM AT VACAVILLE PRISON 1970's ... One of the nastiest secrets was an experiment designed to determine how much plutonium a human ... slaverevoltradio.blogspot.com/2004/12/united-states-of-guinea-pigs.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages prisoner_experimentation_linksUnited States Prison Experiments. Vacaville, CA. Behaviour Modification Mind Control By Harry V. Martin and David Caul, The Napa Sentinel: a series which ... prisoner_experimentation_links - 16k - Cached - Similar pages TAB D-5 DISCLAIMER The following is a staff memorandum or other ...174) reported on experimental brain surgery and psychosurgery on inmates in California's Vacaville prison. The experiments at Vacaville received attention ... http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/radiati...b_d/br13d2.txt - 26k - Cached - Similar pages What’s the Deal With Vacaville? - Pop OccultureHe found himself incarcerated at Vacaville State Prison “at the same time the CIA was conducting mind control experiments there under MKSEARCH Subproject 3 ... What’s the Deal With Vacaville? - To[p oBcultu]re - 44k - Cached - Similar pages "The feeling of awe and sense of wonder arises from the recognition of the deep mystery that surrounds us everywhere, and this feeling deepens as our knowledge grows". Anagarika Govinda [...] [...] Quote by: Nono Prax, you’re deeply confused between productive economic activity and destructive activity. As Bobby says, having your country (and others) levelled is a gigantic net loss, obviously. It’s like arguing that the 1917 Halifax explosion was a terrific boon to window manufacturers, and therefore "not all bad". Quite a strange point of view. You are not taking into consideration the importance of controlling a region, such as the US has been attempting do ever since the establishment of Israel, Vietnam and the Prussian Gulf war. These are economic/military objectives and the US adopted this consciousness which began with a Prussian general. Mass production demands mass resources and mass markets. This is assured with military might, and the control of shipping lanes and regions. 9/11 was an attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. This was an attack on the New World Order, not the citizens of US. It would be so nice if everyone woke up and smelled the coffee. As for the other countries not continuing with the excessively inhuman human experiments done by the NAZI, this belief is ignorant of what is happening within the US. From the spread of LSD to the inhumane treatment of prisoners, the experimenting continues in the US. Slave Revolt: United States of Guinea PigsBEHAVIOR MODIFICATION PROGRAM AT VACAVILLE PRISON 1970’s … One of the nastiest secrets was an experiment designed to determine how much plutonium a human … slaverevoltradio.blogspot.com/2004/12/united-states-of-guinea-pigs.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages prisoner_experimentation_linksUnited States Prison Experiments. Vacaville, CA. Behaviour Modification Mind Control By Harry V. Martin and David Caul, The Napa Sentinel: a series which … prisoner_experimentation_links - 16k - Cached - Similar pages TAB D-5 DISCLAIMER The following is a staff memorandum or other …174) reported on experimental brain surgery and psychosurgery on inmates in California’s Vacaville prison. The experiments at Vacaville received attention … http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/radiati…b_d/br13d2.txt - 26k - Cached - Similar pages What’s the Deal With Vacaville? - Pop OccultureHe found himself incarcerated at Vacaville State Prison “at the same time the CIA was conducting mind control experiments there under MKSEARCH Subproject 3 … What’s the Deal With Vacaville? - To[p oBcultu]re - 44k - Cached - Similar pages "The feeling of awe and sense of wonder arises from the recognition of the deep mystery that surrounds us everywhere, and this feeling deepens as our knowledge grows". Anagarika Govinda [...]

]]> By: little dynamo http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-3074 little dynamo Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:51:14 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-3074 Thomas Conlon Says: July 11th, 2005 at 8:15 pm Talking about the Carcquinez (sp?) Strait - what about Port Chicago? <em>right-o, and the Strait has quite a history of its own -- gateway, e.g., to Mare Island Naval Shipyard</em> Last I remember, I believe Manson was transferred out of Vacaville because he was doused with lighter fluid and set on fire by another inmate while he was in his cell, I may be wrong about some of the details, but he was lit up, it was on TV/in newspapers, sometime around early 1990’s. Most people I have met pronounce Vallejo “Va-Lay-O”. I lived there, dude. -tc <em>no second "c" in carquinez dood it was uniquely dislocative and surreal -- even for the times -- to have police escorts to school during the Zodie "school bus scare" the intention was never really to bomb "the kiddies," as the terminology went . . . it's obvious from the "bomb plans" received by mail . . . it was a tactic, with alternate purposes, not a literal threat . . . 'course everybody was a bit EDGY by then . . . the zombie-surreality was reminiscent of the post-j.f.k.- hit days, and also reminds me of the post m.l.k.-hit weeks, when v.p.d. had to actually patrol the hallways of vhs, so classes could be held</em> random note on Chuckles Man/Son: Jung's "Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies" (1959) is still one of the best ufo books written if i recall, the plates include an illustration of a man who strikingly resembles Chuckles Thomas Conlon Says:

July 11th, 2005 at 8:15 pm

Talking about the Carcquinez (sp?) Strait - what about Port Chicago?

right-o, and the Strait has quite a history of its own — gateway, e.g., to Mare Island Naval Shipyard

Last I remember, I believe Manson was transferred out of Vacaville because he was doused with lighter fluid and set on fire by another inmate while he was in his cell, I may be wrong about some of the details, but he was lit up, it was on TV/in newspapers, sometime around early 1990’s.

Most people I have met pronounce Vallejo “Va-Lay-O”. I lived there, dude.

-tc

no second “c” in carquinez

dood

it was uniquely dislocative and surreal — even for the times — to have police escorts to school during the Zodie “school bus scare”

the intention was never really to bomb “the kiddies,” as the terminology went . . . it’s obvious from the “bomb plans” received by mail . . . it was a tactic, with alternate purposes, not a literal threat . . . ‘course everybody was a bit EDGY by then . . .

the zombie-surreality was reminiscent of the post-j.f.k.- hit days, and also reminds me of the post m.l.k.-hit weeks, when v.p.d. had to actually patrol the hallways of vhs, so classes could be held

random note on Chuckles Man/Son: Jung’s “Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies” (1959) is still one of the best ufo books written

if i recall, the plates include an illustration of a man who strikingly resembles Chuckles

]]> By: Thomas Conlon http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-3046 Thomas Conlon Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:18:02 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-3046 I'm from Jersey, I going to grad school at the time - USF. -tc I’m from Jersey, I going to grad school at the time - USF.

-tc

]]> By: Haeresis http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2980 Haeresis Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:14:44 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2980 And- speaking of Vacaville, if anyone's got a lot of free time on their hands, i've go a leyline map of the place from a dowser friend... And- speaking of Vacaville, if anyone’s got a lot of free time on their hands, i’ve go a leyline map of the place from a dowser friend…

]]> By: Haeresis http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2979 Haeresis Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:13:43 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2979 Last I remember, I believe Manson was transferred out of Vacaville because he was doused with lighter fluid and set on fire by another inmate while he was in his cell, ___ Yeah, my friend Bobby's granddad (who was pretty nuts) did that. On a related not, seems to be a disproportionate number of Norcal folks in here?! Last I remember, I believe Manson was transferred out of Vacaville because he was doused with lighter fluid and set on fire by another inmate while he was in his cell, ___

Yeah, my friend Bobby’s granddad (who was pretty nuts) did that.

On a related not, seems to be a disproportionate number of Norcal folks in here?!

]]> By: Thomas Conlon http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2974 Thomas Conlon Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:15:18 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2974 Talking about the Carcquinez (sp?) Strait - what about <a href="http://www.portchicago.org/" rel="nofollow">Port Chicago</a>? Last I remember, I believe Manson was transferred out of Vacaville because he was doused with lighter fluid and set on fire by another inmate while he was in his cell, I may be wrong about some of the details, but he was lit up, it was on TV/in newspapers, sometime around early 1990's. Most people I have met pronounce Vallejo "Va-Lay-O". I lived there, dude. -tc "when you believe in something you don't understand" -Stevie Wonder Talking about the Carcquinez (sp?) Strait - what about Port Chicago?

Last I remember, I believe Manson was transferred out of Vacaville because he was doused with lighter fluid and set on fire by another inmate while he was in his cell, I may be wrong about some of the details, but he was lit up, it was on TV/in newspapers, sometime around early 1990’s.

Most people I have met pronounce Vallejo “Va-Lay-O”. I lived there, dude.

-tc

“when you believe in something you don’t understand”
-Stevie Wonder

]]> By: little dynamo http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2916 little dynamo Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:43:49 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2916 Take a look at Robert Anton Wilson’s Cosmic Trigger (1)… he talks about visiting Leary at the medical facility in Vacaville. [Brian wrote] "Also note the locals pronounce the first “a” like the “a” in “cap”. It’s not Vah-cuh-ville. Only slight less perplexing than a few miles down the road in Vallejo where it should be either Va-Yeh-Ho or Vall-eh-Jo… but instead they say it half right and half wrong.. Vall-eh-Ho. But I digress again." not at all me old Homestead, and yes, we "split the difference" between the anglo and espanolo . . . in the same way that Lower Manhatten (esp the old Five Points Neighborhood) is one sorta occult or spiritual "pole" for the US, the North Bay Area -- esp an area generally including VMF, Vallejo, Napa, south the S.F. and east to the Livermore Valley (L.L. Labs) and Mt. Diablo -- are the western "pole" no accident about the CIA (etc) at VMF, nor is it coincidence that the Zodiac operated geomantically in these areas (first killing between Benecia and Vallejo, on Lake Herman Rd., and area that we local kids called "haunted" years before Zodie showed up . . . (this general area also was part of the old Borges Ranch, which is implicate on many fronts, and the old "Good Serpent's Orphanage" was located on a "propitious" hilltop nearby) the second murders were at Vallejo's Blue Rock Springs Park, the killing at Lake Berryessa in Napa -- a highly stylized and occult job -- then the one next to the Presidio Army Base in SF Zodie also has direct personal ties to Mt. Diablo, which has a long a skeery history of its own, with which i won't bore y'all . . . the Napa Valley, again not coincidentally, is called the "Valley of Kings" and is connected not only to ancient Sumero-Egyptian regency, but of course also to ritual regicide (blood/wine/grapes, the usual story) -- Napa State Hospital also figgers in here . . . ennyway, long story -- very long -- but yes, the "interventions" at VMF have a lot to do with America's conduct and karma over the past few decades Take a look at Robert Anton Wilson’s Cosmic Trigger (1)… he talks about visiting Leary at the medical facility in Vacaville.

[Brian wrote]

“Also note the locals pronounce the first “a” like the “a” in “cap”. It’s not Vah-cuh-ville.

Only slight less perplexing than a few miles down the road in Vallejo where it should be either Va-Yeh-Ho or Vall-eh-Jo… but instead they say it half right and half wrong.. Vall-eh-Ho.

But I digress again.”

not at all

me old Homestead, and yes, we “split the difference” between the anglo and espanolo . . .

in the same way that Lower Manhatten (esp the old Five Points Neighborhood) is one sorta occult or spiritual “pole” for the US, the North Bay Area — esp an area generally including VMF, Vallejo, Napa, south the S.F. and east to the Livermore Valley (L.L. Labs) and Mt. Diablo — are the western “pole”

no accident about the CIA (etc) at VMF, nor is it coincidence that the Zodiac operated geomantically in these areas (first killing between Benecia and Vallejo, on Lake Herman Rd., and area that we local kids called “haunted” years before Zodie showed up . . .

(this general area also was part of the old Borges Ranch, which is implicate on many fronts, and the old “Good Serpent’s Orphanage” was located on a “propitious” hilltop nearby)

the second murders were at Vallejo’s Blue Rock Springs Park, the killing at Lake Berryessa in Napa — a highly stylized and occult job — then the one next to the Presidio Army Base in SF

Zodie also has direct personal ties to Mt. Diablo, which has a long a skeery history of its own, with which i won’t bore y’all . . .

the Napa Valley, again not coincidentally, is called the “Valley of Kings” and is connected not only to ancient Sumero-Egyptian regency, but of course also to ritual regicide (blood/wine/grapes, the usual story) — Napa State Hospital also figgers in here . . .

ennyway, long story — very long — but yes, the “interventions” at VMF have a lot to do with America’s conduct and karma over the past few decades

]]> By: Jerky http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2894 Jerky Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:06:07 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2894 Cool! Thanks for the ego-boost, Tim! :-) Cool! Thanks for the ego-boost, Tim! :-)

]]> By: Occult Investigator » Transhumanism: Excuse for Euthanasia? http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2892 Occult Investigator » Transhumanism: Excuse for Euthanasia? Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:03:26 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2892 [...] Transhumanism: Excuse for Euthanasia? I love this comment from Jerky about transhumanism: Maybe transhumanism — the [...] [...]

Transhumanism: Excuse for Euthanasia?

I love this comment from Jerky about transhumanism: Maybe transhumanism — the [...]

]]> By: Jerky http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2891 Jerky Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:03:16 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2891 Imagine the line-ups. Imagine the line-ups.

]]> By: Occult Investigator http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2890 Occult Investigator Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:59:51 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2890 HOLY SHIT.... that seems so freakin plausible. HOLY SHIT…. that seems so freakin plausible.

]]> By: Jerky http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2888 Jerky Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:53:22 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2888 Maybe transhumanism -- the idea that we'll eventually be able to "upload" ourselves into machines, and thus attain immortality -- is an empty promise meant to salve the dread of a certain variety of thanatophobic pseudo-intellectual by tricking them into submitting to what will be, in reality, involuntary suicide. "Okay, so we'll just hook you up to this here machine, and when we switch it on, your entire conscioussness will be transfered into this here OTHER machine!" "Cool! Will there be chicks?" "Oh yeah! It'll be indistinguishable from reality, except there will be no rejection. Total VR5 versimilitude. And you'll be immortal! You'll be able to sex up Sailor Moon and those Tatu girls... FOREVER!" "Dude... what are you waiting for? Pull that switch!" "Alright. May God forgive me." "What?" ZAAAP!!! Maybe transhumanism — the idea that we’ll eventually be able to “upload” ourselves into machines, and thus attain immortality — is an empty promise meant to salve the dread of a certain variety of thanatophobic pseudo-intellectual by tricking them into submitting to what will be, in reality, involuntary suicide.

“Okay, so we’ll just hook you up to this here machine, and when we switch it on, your entire conscioussness will be transfered into this here OTHER machine!”

“Cool! Will there be chicks?”

“Oh yeah! It’ll be indistinguishable from reality, except there will be no rejection. Total VR5 versimilitude. And you’ll be immortal! You’ll be able to sex up Sailor Moon and those Tatu girls… FOREVER!”

“Dude… what are you waiting for? Pull that switch!”

“Alright. May God forgive me.”

“What?”

ZAAAP!!!

]]> By: Rev max http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2881 Rev max Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:36:31 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2881 LOL. I drive by there all the time on camping tricks. I always plan to stop and pick up some jail dirt to use for spells and stuff by I usually get overruled by my wife who wants to go to In & Out insteead. LOL. I drive by there all the time on camping tricks. I always plan to stop and pick up some jail dirt to use for spells and stuff by I usually get overruled by my wife who wants to go to In & Out insteead.

]]> By: alistair http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2875 alistair Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:50:47 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2875 i think we`ve all be manipulated into fighting with eachother, politically and otherwise so that the government can do what the fuck they want. the deeper you dig into the connections between the counter-culture icon of the sixties and seventies the more you get background influences. how about the millionairess who helped ira einhorn leave america when he was wanted for murder? i always found that odd. i think we`ve all be manipulated into fighting with eachother, politically and otherwise so that the government can do what the fuck they want. the deeper you dig into the connections between the counter-culture icon of the sixties and seventies the more you get background influences. how about the millionairess who helped ira einhorn leave america when he was wanted for murder? i always found that odd.

]]> By: Haeresis http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2873 Haeresis Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:19:04 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2873 Incidentally, "Vacaville" means, literally, "cow town." Incidentally, “Vacaville” means, literally, “cow town.”

]]> By: Brian http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2872 Brian Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:53:34 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2872 Take a look at Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger (1)... he talks about visiting Leary at the medical facility in Vacaville. Also note the locals pronounce the first "a" like the "a" in "cap". It's not Vah-cuh-ville. Only slight less perplexing than a few miles down the road in Vallejo where it should be either Va-Yeh-Ho or Vall-eh-Jo... but instead they say it half right and half wrong.. Vall-eh-Ho. But I digress again. Take a look at Robert Anton Wilson’s Cosmic Trigger (1)… he talks about visiting Leary at the medical facility in Vacaville.

Also note the locals pronounce the first “a” like the “a” in “cap”. It’s not Vah-cuh-ville.

Only slight less perplexing than a few miles down the road in Vallejo where it should be either Va-Yeh-Ho or Vall-eh-Jo… but instead they say it half right and half wrong.. Vall-eh-Ho.

But I digress again.

]]> By: Haeresis http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/vacaville-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-2867 Haeresis Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:51:32 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/09/manson-leary-neighbors-at-vacaville/#comment-2867 Man, did you just give me a double take. Until nine months ago, I lived there. About twelve years ago, I even lived across the street from CMF. (Knew the grandson of the guy who set Charlie on fire, even) There definitely have been freaky incidents, including a few escapes and an incident where it got very hot and three prisoners who were drugged died when the air conditioning went out. Man, did you just give me a double take. Until nine months ago, I lived there. About twelve years ago, I even lived across the street from CMF. (Knew the grandson of the guy who set Charlie on fire, even)

There definitely have been freaky incidents, including a few escapes and an incident where it got very hot and three prisoners who were drugged died when the air conditioning went out.

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