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	<title>Comments on: Billy Corgan Teams Up With&#8230; Ken Wilber?</title>
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		<title>By: Haeresis</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/13/billy-corgan-teams-up-with-ken-wilber/comment-page-1/#comment-3167</link>
		<dc:creator>Haeresis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To him, fighting for a better environment means raising the consciousness level of the public until everyone realizes that change needs to happen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

WTF is that supposed to mean?  Drive your gas-guzzler until everyone makes you stop?  Or do we just invent cars that work on "raised consciousness?"   What an asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To him, fighting for a better environment means raising the consciousness level of the public until everyone realizes that change needs to happen.</p></blockquote>
<p>WTF is that supposed to mean?  Drive your gas-guzzler until everyone makes you stop?  Or do we just invent cars that work on &#8220;raised consciousness?&#8221;   What an asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: czyx</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/13/billy-corgan-teams-up-with-ken-wilber/comment-page-1/#comment-3159</link>
		<dc:creator>czyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what Jesus said in Matthew chapter 6:&lt;blockquote&gt;Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what Jesus said in Matthew chapter 6:<br />
<blockquote>Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/13/billy-corgan-teams-up-with-ken-wilber/comment-page-1/#comment-3153</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wait, doesnâ€™t that contradict what you said before it? Arenâ€™t you advocating the external change over the internal one?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I meant that.... like someone's music can have a profound affect on your awareness, and as people become more aware they usually start making good decisions simply as a function of their being. The idea of expanding your own awareness, and sort of sharing that in your work is a more profound thing than focusing on crap like what car you're driving.

I mean that stuff that matters too, but it's still not gonna change shit if it's not affecting how people think and pattern their behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wait, doesnâ€™t that contradict what you said before it? Arenâ€™t you advocating the external change over the internal one?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I meant that&#8230;. like someone&#8217;s music can have a profound affect on your awareness, and as people become more aware they usually start making good decisions simply as a function of their being. The idea of expanding your own awareness, and sort of sharing that in your work is a more profound thing than focusing on crap like what car you&#8217;re driving.</p>
<p>I mean that stuff that matters too, but it&#8217;s still not gonna change shit if it&#8217;s not affecting how people think and pattern their behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/13/billy-corgan-teams-up-with-ken-wilber/comment-page-1/#comment-3136</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Itâ€™s a common spiritual principle that internal change is fundamental, and lasting, whereas external change (by itself) is a superficial gesture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wait, doesn't that contradict what you said before it? Aren't you advocating the external change over the internal one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Itâ€™s a common spiritual principle that internal change is fundamental, and lasting, whereas external change (by itself) is a superficial gesture.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wait, doesn&#8217;t that contradict what you said before it? Aren&#8217;t you advocating the external change over the internal one?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/13/billy-corgan-teams-up-with-ken-wilber/comment-page-1/#comment-3135</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and to answer the query about Jesus, he basically said, to my recollection, that one should go out of their way to make prayer as private a matter as possible. I.e. that it should be done for the sake of doing it, and not to impress others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and to answer the query about Jesus, he basically said, to my recollection, that one should go out of their way to make prayer as private a matter as possible. I.e. that it should be done for the sake of doing it, and not to impress others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He confesses to driving a â€™70s â€œgas guzzler,â€ saying hybrid cars are just quick fixes to make people feel better about themselves, but they donâ€™t effect fundamental change. To him, fighting for a better environment means raising the consciousness level of the public until everyone realizes that change needs to happen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Am I the only one who kinda sorta &lt;em&gt;gets&lt;/em&gt; this statement? He's simply saying that increasing the awareness of people is more liable to affect positive change than changing the car you drive or whatever. Jesus alluded to this a bunch of times. It's a common spiritual principle that internal change is fundamental, and lasting, whereas external change (by itself) is a superficial gesture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He confesses to driving a â€™70s â€œgas guzzler,â€ saying hybrid cars are just quick fixes to make people feel better about themselves, but they donâ€™t effect fundamental change. To him, fighting for a better environment means raising the consciousness level of the public until everyone realizes that change needs to happen.</p></blockquote>
<p>Am I the only one who kinda sorta <em>gets</em> this statement? He&#8217;s simply saying that increasing the awareness of people is more liable to affect positive change than changing the car you drive or whatever. Jesus alluded to this a bunch of times. It&#8217;s a common spiritual principle that internal change is fundamental, and lasting, whereas external change (by itself) is a superficial gesture.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, I don't know... what &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; he say? I'm not really sure how heavy on announcing it Corgan really is though. May have just been that magazines focus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, I don&#8217;t know&#8230; what <em>did</em> he say? I&#8217;m not really sure how heavy on announcing it Corgan really is though. May have just been that magazines focus</p>
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		<title>By: Inder</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/13/billy-corgan-teams-up-with-ken-wilber/comment-page-1/#comment-3131</link>
		<dc:creator>Inder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno how I feel about all the PDS or "public displays of spirituality".  What was it Jesus said about not praying in the open?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno how I feel about all the PDS or &#8220;public displays of spirituality&#8221;.  What was it Jesus said about not praying in the open?</p>
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		<title>By: Quoter</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/13/billy-corgan-teams-up-with-ken-wilber/comment-page-1/#comment-3124</link>
		<dc:creator>Quoter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"For me, the adventures of the mind, each inflection of thought, each movement, nuance, discovery is an immense source of exhilaration" Anais Nin 

  I don't believe there is any evolution in consciousness, no matter how much yoga or organic food one person eats. I suppose Billy's inner world is a mystery filled with vampires, pumpkins and yoga teachers and maybe some health store clerks. 1839</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For me, the adventures of the mind, each inflection of thought, each movement, nuance, discovery is an immense source of exhilaration&#8221; Anais Nin </p>
<p>  I don&#8217;t believe there is any evolution in consciousness, no matter how much yoga or organic food one person eats. I suppose Billy&#8217;s inner world is a mystery filled with vampires, pumpkins and yoga teachers and maybe some health store clerks. 1839</p>
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		<title>By: badger</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/13/billy-corgan-teams-up-with-ken-wilber/comment-page-1/#comment-3120</link>
		<dc:creator>badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He has raised my consciousness. i choose not to buy his new album. 

Oh wait. I wasn't going to do that anyway. Self-enlightenment! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has raised my consciousness. i choose not to buy his new album. </p>
<p>Oh wait. I wasn&#8217;t going to do that anyway. Self-enlightenment!</p>
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		<title>By: slomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>slomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He confesses to driving a â€™70s â€œgas guzzler,â€ saying hybrid cars are just quick fixes to make people feel better about themselves, but they donâ€™t effect fundamental change. To him, fighting for a better environment means raising the consciousness level of the public until everyone realizes that change needs to happen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

OK, I was keeping an open mind until I read this.  It's exactly like a &lt;a href="http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;20-something hawk&lt;/a&gt; who, while vociferously supporting the war in Iraq (not the troops, but the Bush agenda), refuse to actually sign up and fight.  No, actually, it's worse.  Because trading your 70s gas-guzzler in for a hybrid (or simply a fucking Honda Civic) is much easier than putting your life on the line, especially if you're not dirt poor.

Totally dispicable.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He confesses to driving a â€™70s â€œgas guzzler,â€ saying hybrid cars are just quick fixes to make people feel better about themselves, but they donâ€™t effect fundamental change. To him, fighting for a better environment means raising the consciousness level of the public until everyone realizes that change needs to happen.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, I was keeping an open mind until I read this.  It&#8217;s exactly like a <a href="http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">20-something hawk</a> who, while vociferously supporting the war in Iraq (not the troops, but the Bush agenda), refuse to actually sign up and fight.  No, actually, it&#8217;s worse.  Because trading your 70s gas-guzzler in for a hybrid (or simply a fucking Honda Civic) is much easier than putting your life on the line, especially if you&#8217;re not dirt poor.</p>
<p>Totally dispicable.</p>
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