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	<title>Comments on: Conspiracy Theory: Justice or Entertainment?</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Bradfield</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/17/conspiracy-theory-justice-or-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-3379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Bradfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raising awareness works.  There are far fewer smokers now than in the past.  Furthermore, smoking in public places has been banned in NYC and Cali and will be banned in DC soon.

Some people smoke aggressively for the same reason some people stay in abusive relationships, abuse drugs, remain alcholohics, or engage in other self-destructive behaviors - they have not figured out how to summon the will power to stop.

However, without awareness raising efforts things would be considerably worse.  Don't compare reality to an ideal, compare it to where we would be without awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raising awareness works.  There are far fewer smokers now than in the past.  Furthermore, smoking in public places has been banned in NYC and Cali and will be banned in DC soon.</p>
<p>Some people smoke aggressively for the same reason some people stay in abusive relationships, abuse drugs, remain alcholohics, or engage in other self-destructive behaviors - they have not figured out how to summon the will power to stop.</p>
<p>However, without awareness raising efforts things would be considerably worse.  Don&#8217;t compare reality to an ideal, compare it to where we would be without awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/17/conspiracy-theory-justice-or-entertainment/comment-page-1/#comment-3325</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;at this point it seems that anyone who chooses to educate themselves outside of the established system of education ends up a conspiracy theorist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's a really great point</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>at this point it seems that anyone who chooses to educate themselves outside of the established system of education ends up a conspiracy theorist.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a really great point</p>
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		<title>By: human?</title>
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		<dc:creator>human?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but what is conspiracy theory?


at this point it seems that anyone who chooses to educate themselves outside of the established system of education ends up a conspiracy theorist.


and is a thirst for knowledge nessecarily enterainment? as much as it is our nature?


im a "conspiracy theorist" i suppose, because i was kicked out of high school and never went to college.    i wasnt about to stop learning, in fact, i see what happened to me education wise, was because i felt like i was being lied to.  what i was being told didnt make sense.....

you either can think of things as conspiracy or coincidence...  and i know things arent all coincidence....




i guess i really just have a gut feeling...  and have to roll with it, because i really dont like being lied to...


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but what is conspiracy theory?</p>
<p>at this point it seems that anyone who chooses to educate themselves outside of the established system of education ends up a conspiracy theorist.</p>
<p>and is a thirst for knowledge nessecarily enterainment? as much as it is our nature?</p>
<p>im a &#8220;conspiracy theorist&#8221; i suppose, because i was kicked out of high school and never went to college.    i wasnt about to stop learning, in fact, i see what happened to me education wise, was because i felt like i was being lied to.  what i was being told didnt make sense&#8230;..</p>
<p>you either can think of things as conspiracy or coincidence&#8230;  and i know things arent all coincidence&#8230;.</p>
<p>i guess i really just have a gut feeling&#8230;  and have to roll with it, because i really dont like being lied to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you don't mind, but I'd just like to quote a previous post of mine since it pretty much answers the question as to the value of raising awareness:

&lt;blockquote&gt;No, I meant thatâ€¦. like someoneâ€™s music can have a profound affect on your awareness, and as people become more aware they usually start making good decisions simply as a function of their being. The idea of expanding your own awareness, and sort of sharing that in your work is a more profound thing than focusing on crap like what car youâ€™re driving.

I mean that stuff that matters too, but itâ€™s still not gonna change shit if itâ€™s not affecting how people think and pattern their behavior. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

that was from the billy corgan thinger.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But meanwhile, everybody knows that smoking is bad for you, but people still smoke.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Substantially less people are smoking now than there were in the 50s or even the early 90s.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe if we raise just a little bit more awarenessâ€¦! We also hear the phrase â€œcritical massâ€ thrown around in conjunction with this. We expect that at some point our efforts to â€œraise awarenessâ€ will reach a â€œcritical massâ€ at which point weâ€™ll be personally absolved from having to actually do anything ourselves! Well, we figure, we helped raise awareness and after that, weâ€™ll just let the critical mass handle itself. *Wash hands - rinse - repeat*&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Okay, what's the point of &lt;em&gt;doing&lt;/em&gt; something? I mean we kinda stopped littering as much, but the government is still dumping toxic waste wherever it's convenient.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™m not going to lie. Personally I find conspiracy theory extremely entertaining. Or else I wouldnâ€™t spend so much time with it. Itâ€™s the puzzle that seems to draw in all other puzzles - at least for me anyway. Do I hope people are brought to justice? Sure! Do I expect anyone will be because of anything I do? Not a fucking chance! Do I think Iâ€™m raising awareness? Probably. Does that matter in any practical way? I have no freakinâ€™ ideaâ€¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Any ways, it's pointless to argue, because I know we already agree, you're doing what you like, because you like it; not because of any ambitious contrivance--I completely dig that, but that's also the sort of thing that affects the most change. "Follow your bliss", "we need more alive people", all that good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mind, but I&#8217;d just like to quote a previous post of mine since it pretty much answers the question as to the value of raising awareness:</p>
<blockquote><p>No, I meant thatâ€¦. like someoneâ€™s music can have a profound affect on your awareness, and as people become more aware they usually start making good decisions simply as a function of their being. The idea of expanding your own awareness, and sort of sharing that in your work is a more profound thing than focusing on crap like what car youâ€™re driving.</p>
<p>I mean that stuff that matters too, but itâ€™s still not gonna change shit if itâ€™s not affecting how people think and pattern their behavior. </p></blockquote>
<p>that was from the billy corgan thinger.</p>
<blockquote><p>But meanwhile, everybody knows that smoking is bad for you, but people still smoke.</p></blockquote>
<p>Substantially less people are smoking now than there were in the 50s or even the early 90s.</p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe if we raise just a little bit more awarenessâ€¦! We also hear the phrase â€œcritical massâ€ thrown around in conjunction with this. We expect that at some point our efforts to â€œraise awarenessâ€ will reach a â€œcritical massâ€ at which point weâ€™ll be personally absolved from having to actually do anything ourselves! Well, we figure, we helped raise awareness and after that, weâ€™ll just let the critical mass handle itself. *Wash hands - rinse - repeat*</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, what&#8217;s the point of <em>doing</em> something? I mean we kinda stopped littering as much, but the government is still dumping toxic waste wherever it&#8217;s convenient.</p>
<blockquote><p>Iâ€™m not going to lie. Personally I find conspiracy theory extremely entertaining. Or else I wouldnâ€™t spend so much time with it. Itâ€™s the puzzle that seems to draw in all other puzzles - at least for me anyway. Do I hope people are brought to justice? Sure! Do I expect anyone will be because of anything I do? Not a fucking chance! Do I think Iâ€™m raising awareness? Probably. Does that matter in any practical way? I have no freakinâ€™ ideaâ€¦</p></blockquote>
<p>Any ways, it&#8217;s pointless to argue, because I know we already agree, you&#8217;re doing what you like, because you like it; not because of any ambitious contrivance&#8211;I completely dig that, but that&#8217;s also the sort of thing that affects the most change. &#8220;Follow your bliss&#8221;, &#8220;we need more alive people&#8221;, all that good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgive me if this is old news:

&lt;a href="http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC09/Myers.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC09/Myers.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgive me if this is old news:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC09/Myers.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC09/Myers.htm'>http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC09/Myers.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: albion</title>
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		<dc:creator>albion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 06:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe 'entertainment' wasn't the right word, i understand you're after more than that here.  yes, there's certainly much to be entertained by. and i don't deny that i love a ride in the ol' mystery machine. but the whole nazi-warmonger-drug-dealer-paedophile phantasmagoria is, well, pretty damn unjust, and in a way that i think transcends politics. i liked your distinction between 'inner' and 'outer' conspiracies, and i really did have to ask myself, why am i doing this? why the morbid fascination with the underside of the national security state? i think it's good for everyone to make that distinction for themselves. as for me, once i had fantasies of being a conspiracy theorist as sort of being a giant-killer, freeing the information and whatnot. but after awhile it becomes obvious that we can talk about shit till sunrise, nobodys listening. at this point i think its just useful for people to figure out  for themselves as best they can whats 'really' going on, if for no other reason than to better be able to judge how to react in the event things get really bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe &#8216;entertainment&#8217; wasn&#8217;t the right word, i understand you&#8217;re after more than that here.  yes, there&#8217;s certainly much to be entertained by. and i don&#8217;t deny that i love a ride in the ol&#8217; mystery machine. but the whole nazi-warmonger-drug-dealer-paedophile phantasmagoria is, well, pretty damn unjust, and in a way that i think transcends politics. i liked your distinction between &#8216;inner&#8217; and &#8216;outer&#8217; conspiracies, and i really did have to ask myself, why am i doing this? why the morbid fascination with the underside of the national security state? i think it&#8217;s good for everyone to make that distinction for themselves. as for me, once i had fantasies of being a conspiracy theorist as sort of being a giant-killer, freeing the information and whatnot. but after awhile it becomes obvious that we can talk about shit till sunrise, nobodys listening. at this point i think its just useful for people to figure out  for themselves as best they can whats &#8216;really&#8217; going on, if for no other reason than to better be able to judge how to react in the event things get really bad.</p>
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