Comments on: How to Fight the Empire and Win http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:57:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: New NSA MySpace Group - Pop Occulture Blog http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/comment-page-1/#comment-17440 New NSA MySpace Group - Pop Occulture Blog Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:02:19 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/#comment-17440 [...] All kidding aside though, it’s sort of thrilling to imagine people at the NSA sitting down to read through all the inane ramblings that I come up with. I’m at the point where I feel like, well, if these guys understand what it is that I’m getting at - then maybe they could be so kind as to TELL ME because, hell, I’m having a hard time sorting the whole thing out. In any case, hopefully thanks to this post and our new NSA MySpace group, the whole place will soon be crawling with spooks. Remember, treat them nice cause it’s the only way to get anything done! [...] [...] All kidding aside though, it’s sort of thrilling to imagine people at the NSA sitting down to read through all the inane ramblings that I come up with. I’m at the point where I feel like, well, if these guys understand what it is that I’m getting at - then maybe they could be so kind as to TELL ME because, hell, I’m having a hard time sorting the whole thing out. In any case, hopefully thanks to this post and our new NSA MySpace group, the whole place will soon be crawling with spooks. Remember, treat them nice cause it’s the only way to get anything done! [...]

]]> By: hf http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/comment-page-1/#comment-3700 hf Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:18:50 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/#comment-3700 Makes a certain amount of practical sense. Use the Monkeysphere, Luke! Makes a certain amount of practical sense. Use the Monkeysphere, Luke!

]]> By: Fell http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/comment-page-1/#comment-3608 Fell Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:48:01 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/#comment-3608 <blockquote>keep on pimpin yer socratic method G</blockquote> http://www.bustedtees.com/shirts/prose

keep on pimpin yer socratic method G

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]]> By: J. Puma http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/comment-page-1/#comment-3597 J. Puma Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:16:10 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/#comment-3597 o i think that's one of the things that makes me uncomfortable with a lot of the modern pagan/occultism/spirituality etc. is this underlying focus on political change, which i personally see as antithetical to spiritual development. there's evidence aplenty for me in saying 81 of the gospel of thomas: http://www.snant.com/fp/archives/gospel-of-thomas-81/ but then, i guess that's the ultimate question: why are you doing all this stuff? if you're gonna do it within a sociopolitical context, then count me out. if you're doing it because it's fun and because grant morrison makes it all look so romantic and neato in 'the invisibles,' well, okay, i wish you the best of luck. but if you're doing it completely outside of the strictures of the black iron prison, well cool, i could be into that. o i think that’s one of the things that makes me uncomfortable with a lot of the modern pagan/occultism/spirituality etc. is this underlying focus on political change, which i personally see as antithetical to spiritual development. there’s evidence aplenty for me in saying 81 of the gospel of thomas:

http://www.snant.com/fp/archives/gospel-of-thomas-81/

but then, i guess that’s the ultimate question: why are you doing all this stuff? if you’re gonna do it within a sociopolitical context, then count me out. if you’re doing it because it’s fun and because grant morrison makes it all look so romantic and neato in ‘the invisibles,’ well, okay, i wish you the best of luck. but if you’re doing it completely outside of the strictures of the black iron prison, well cool, i could be into that.

]]> By: carlos http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/comment-page-1/#comment-3578 carlos Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:40:41 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/#comment-3578 <blockquote>But to trick the Empire into fighting us on our terms forces it to become infected by our <em>sanity</em>. </blockquote> fucking fabulous. that's your unified, stripped down message to the world, right there. to tell the empire straight up: one of us, one of us! i bet the empire just got chills.

But to trick the Empire into fighting us on our terms forces it to become infected by our sanity.

fucking fabulous. that’s your unified, stripped down message to the world, right there. to tell the empire straight up: one of us, one of us!

i bet the empire just got chills.

]]> By: Occult Investigator http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/comment-page-1/#comment-3555 Occult Investigator Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:05:39 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/#comment-3555 <blockquote>For, after all, what is society other than a collection of individual humans and relationships?</blockquote> WHOO! WHOO! WHOO! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

For, after all, what is society other than a collection of individual humans and relationships?

WHOO! WHOO! WHOO! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

]]> By: Inder http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/comment-page-1/#comment-3552 Inder Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:39:28 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/#comment-3552 I totally agree that playing "the game" is pretty counterproductive -- kind of like going to a casino and expecting to come out wealthier, i.e. the game is fixed the moment you decide to participate. The problem with coming up with a unified message or front is the danger that *spreading* the message (i.e. indoctrination or evangelization) becomes more important than the substance of the message itself. Every revolutionary has, upon coming to power, done little really to alter the master-servant relationship that keeps societies entrenched into two general groups (the "haves" and the "have-nots") Gandhi's solution, when he was doing his thing in British India, can be boiled down to "withdrawing consent": withdraw your consent from their politics, from their assumptions, from the game of life they would have you sign up for. What we need is a movement without leaders, without labels, without formal organization, just individual humans withdrawing their consent from the status quo and explaining to power that what they're doing is harmful (to humans, to the planet) and has to stop. It's not a question of creating "one message" -- the beauty of withdrawing consent is that it builds on the genius inherent in every individual mind to produce his or her own unique way of saying "this is bullshit". It is these individual expressions of freedom that will not only spur individual growth, but also prompt positive social change as well. For, after all, what is society other than a collection of individual humans and relationships? I totally agree that playing “the game” is pretty counterproductive — kind of like going to a casino and expecting to come out wealthier, i.e. the game is fixed the moment you decide to participate. The problem with coming up with a unified message or front is the danger that *spreading* the message (i.e. indoctrination or evangelization) becomes more important than the substance of the message itself. Every revolutionary has, upon coming to power, done little really to alter the master-servant relationship that keeps societies entrenched into two general groups (the “haves” and the “have-nots”)

Gandhi’s solution, when he was doing his thing in British India, can be boiled down to “withdrawing consent”: withdraw your consent from their politics, from their assumptions, from the game of life they would have you sign up for. What we need is a movement without leaders, without labels, without formal organization, just individual humans withdrawing their consent from the status quo and explaining to power that what they’re doing is harmful (to humans, to the planet) and has to stop. It’s not a question of creating “one message” — the beauty of withdrawing consent is that it builds on the genius inherent in every individual mind to produce his or her own unique way of saying “this is bullshit”. It is these individual expressions of freedom that will not only spur individual growth, but also prompt positive social change as well. For, after all, what is society other than a collection of individual humans and relationships?

]]> By: rev max http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/comment-page-1/#comment-3542 rev max Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:31:18 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/#comment-3542 <blockquote>Forget about disinformation agents plaguing us with lies. Welcome them as magicians and mythographers of the new era. Forget about undercover cops posing as protestors. Look into their eyes, buy them a drink, get stoned and watch the Matrix together.</blockquote> BEAUTIFUL! Oh and FUCK THE PLAYA HATERS keep on pimpin yer socratic method G

Forget about disinformation agents plaguing us with lies. Welcome them as magicians and mythographers of the new era. Forget about undercover cops posing as protestors. Look into their eyes, buy them a drink, get stoned and watch the Matrix together.

BEAUTIFUL!

Oh and FUCK THE PLAYA HATERS

keep on pimpin yer socratic method G

]]> By: J. Puma http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/comment-page-1/#comment-3537 J. Puma Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:14:12 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/19/how-to-fight-the-empire-and-win/#comment-3537 <blockquote>But if there’s one thing our side knows much better is that you become what you pretend to be. If a government agent dresses up and pretends to be a chaos magickian and befriends chaos magickians and discusses chaos magick, guess what! He’s become us!</blockquote> shades of 'scanner darkly,' where the narc becomes the druggie?

But if there’s one thing our side knows much better is that you become what you pretend to be. If a government agent dresses up and pretends to be a chaos magickian and befriends chaos magickians and discusses chaos magick, guess what! He’s become us!

shades of ’scanner darkly,’ where the narc becomes the druggie?

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