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		<title>By: Three Steps to Building Your Own Conspiracy Theory : The Blog Herald</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/24/an-integral-approach-to-conspiracy-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-90210</link>
		<dc:creator>Three Steps to Building Your Own Conspiracy Theory : The Blog Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nicq MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicq MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan: Wilber didn't declare himself the "Einstein of Consciousness Research"- that was Jean Houston in a blurb on one of his earlier books, back in the 80's.  Of course, part of what appeals to me about Wilber's work is that I tend to have a very strong (to use Spiral Dynamics terminology) "Orange" component to my personality- rational, systematizing, organizing, mathematical, logical.  I'm guessing that if you put Wilber on the Meyers-Briggs personality model, he'd come out an INTP- same as me, Jung and G.W.F. von Hegel.  It's just the way we look at things.

Tim: Great article.  I've been trying to apply Wilber's model to some recent experiences, and I've been coming up short... despite the fact that I probably know Wilber's model better than anyone else under the age of 25.  This helps me out a lot.  As for the "stages", well, Wilber admits that they're fictions- nobody is really "at" a given stage, as such, which makes them similiar to the forementioned Qabalistic sephiroth- they're imaginary "fulcrums" in what is really a spectrum-model. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan: Wilber didn&#8217;t declare himself the &#8220;Einstein of Consciousness Research&#8221;- that was Jean Houston in a blurb on one of his earlier books, back in the 80&#8217;s.  Of course, part of what appeals to me about Wilber&#8217;s work is that I tend to have a very strong (to use Spiral Dynamics terminology) &#8220;Orange&#8221; component to my personality- rational, systematizing, organizing, mathematical, logical.  I&#8217;m guessing that if you put Wilber on the Meyers-Briggs personality model, he&#8217;d come out an INTP- same as me, Jung and G.W.F. von Hegel.  It&#8217;s just the way we look at things.</p>
<p>Tim: Great article.  I&#8217;ve been trying to apply Wilber&#8217;s model to some recent experiences, and I&#8217;ve been coming up short&#8230; despite the fact that I probably know Wilber&#8217;s model better than anyone else under the age of 25.  This helps me out a lot.  As for the &#8220;stages&#8221;, well, Wilber admits that they&#8217;re fictions- nobody is really &#8220;at&#8221; a given stage, as such, which makes them similiar to the forementioned Qabalistic sephiroth- they&#8217;re imaginary &#8220;fulcrums&#8221; in what is really a spectrum-model.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/24/an-integral-approach-to-conspiracy-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-3855</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I actually think the quadrant part of this is really useful. I've never really tried to articulate a framework for conspiracy research before. I'm not quite as keen on the stages and all that jazz though</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I actually think the quadrant part of this is really useful. I&#8217;ve never really tried to articulate a framework for conspiracy research before. I&#8217;m not quite as keen on the stages and all that jazz though</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/24/an-integral-approach-to-conspiracy-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-3854</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer the saying, "You can't polish a turd"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer the saying, &#8220;You can&#8217;t polish a turd&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: albion</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/24/an-integral-approach-to-conspiracy-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-3853</link>
		<dc:creator>albion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the &lt;a href="http://politicalcompass.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;political compass&lt;/a&gt; also uses quadrants for mapping political views. i think its a good basic approach, if you clear away the wilberian gobbeldygook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the <a href="http://politicalcompass.org/" rel="nofollow">political compass</a> also uses quadrants for mapping political views. i think its a good basic approach, if you clear away the wilberian gobbeldygook.</p>
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		<title>By: albion</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/24/an-integral-approach-to-conspiracy-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-3852</link>
		<dc:creator>albion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>valiant effort tim, but as the saying goes, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. perhaps it is the ironic fate of those striving toward universality and integration, to end up being the most marginal &#38; idiosyncratic cranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>valiant effort tim, but as the saying goes, you can&#8217;t make a silk purse out of a sow&#8217;s ear. perhaps it is the ironic fate of those striving toward universality and integration, to end up being the most marginal &amp; idiosyncratic cranks.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Puma</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Puma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i dunno-- imho, it looks as though there's nothing in wilbur's lil' structural analysis that hasn't been covered by qabalists for centuries.  brilliant analysis here, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i dunno&#8211; imho, it looks as though there&#8217;s nothing in wilbur&#8217;s lil&#8217; structural analysis that hasn&#8217;t been covered by qabalists for centuries.  brilliant analysis here, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.daimon.org/cwb/stupidity.htm  is another quadrant diagram,this time explaining stupidity. the chart is about half way down the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.daimon.org/cwb/stupidity.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.daimon.org/cwb/stupidity.htm'>http://www.daimon.org/cwb/stupidity.htm</a>  is another quadrant diagram,this time explaining stupidity. the chart is about half way down the page.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/24/an-integral-approach-to-conspiracy-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-3848</link>
		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the quadrant approach to description of states as a map. it is a way to hold a complex series of thoughts together in a picture. steven covey uses this method to show how important tasks can be abrogated by trivial pastimes, sometimes unconciously. he is a guru of the autorobotizing crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the quadrant approach to description of states as a map. it is a way to hold a complex series of thoughts together in a picture. steven covey uses this method to show how important tasks can be abrogated by trivial pastimes, sometimes unconciously. he is a guru of the autorobotizing crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From William Irwin Thompson  (summing up perfectly I think why many of us who've been exposed to the works of Chrome-Dome Kenny have chosen to go in another direction):
     "We have so replaced [high] culture with psychology, psychotherapy, and simplistic workshops on how to fix the depressive flats of our lives that we prefer the compulsive mappings and textbook categorizations of a Ken Wilber to the poetic insights of a Jean Gebser. Wilber seeks to control the universe through mapping, and the dominant masculinist purpose of his abstract system is to shift power from the described to the describer. As an autodidact from the Midwest, Wilber wants to promote himself as "the Einstein of the consciousness movement"...This mode of scholarship is really a mode of psychic inflation and self-magnification; it is a grand pyramid of systems of abstract thought, with Wilber's kept on top. Never does one come upon a feeling for the concrete: a new look at an individual poem, a painting, or a work of architecture."

Dominant masculinist purpose - a natural extension of the Western, imperialist, colonial enterprise, in other words. And, I would say that anyone who openly declares that they want to be the "Einstein of the consciousness movement", pretty much disqualifies themselves from the task right then and there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From William Irwin Thompson  (summing up perfectly I think why many of us who&#8217;ve been exposed to the works of Chrome-Dome Kenny have chosen to go in another direction):<br />
     &#8220;We have so replaced [high] culture with psychology, psychotherapy, and simplistic workshops on how to fix the depressive flats of our lives that we prefer the compulsive mappings and textbook categorizations of a Ken Wilber to the poetic insights of a Jean Gebser. Wilber seeks to control the universe through mapping, and the dominant masculinist purpose of his abstract system is to shift power from the described to the describer. As an autodidact from the Midwest, Wilber wants to promote himself as &#8220;the Einstein of the consciousness movement&#8221;&#8230;This mode of scholarship is really a mode of psychic inflation and self-magnification; it is a grand pyramid of systems of abstract thought, with Wilber&#8217;s kept on top. Never does one come upon a feeling for the concrete: a new look at an individual poem, a painting, or a work of architecture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dominant masculinist purpose - a natural extension of the Western, imperialist, colonial enterprise, in other words. And, I would say that anyone who openly declares that they want to be the &#8220;Einstein of the consciousness movement&#8221;, pretty much disqualifies themselves from the task right then and there.</p>
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		<title>By: zacharius</title>
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		<dc:creator>zacharius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

 looks mostly accurate, at least in terms of how wilber, beck and so forth laid it out.

 i think alot of the nationalistic stuff actually more accurately goes in blue and not purple. the purple stuff is home to a lot of the racist material that allows us to dehumanise brown people cause they're not like white america, and helps expalin the kind of disconnect between the number of african americans who have family in military service vs the number of white and so forth, which is a strong undercurrent to the war on terror. on the purple level its the war on other races, and their ways. it's partly how the nazis got that kind of primitive blood and soil mysticism, too. fetishising the race as it were.

 most of the nationalistic stuff is more accurately under blue and the 'mythic order' of america, which is also how the fundamentalist chrisitan thing is so easily conflated with the mythic america thing, and not the orange rational enlightenment level, which holds the ideals of america as laid forth by the constituion, but the mythic level is older and stronger. 


  it's kind of fun once you understand the framework well enough to play with it. that's why i wonder why people have problems with wilber. his system actually gives you more room to play with things if you look at it the right way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looks mostly accurate, at least in terms of how wilber, beck and so forth laid it out.</p>
<p> i think alot of the nationalistic stuff actually more accurately goes in blue and not purple. the purple stuff is home to a lot of the racist material that allows us to dehumanise brown people cause they&#8217;re not like white america, and helps expalin the kind of disconnect between the number of african americans who have family in military service vs the number of white and so forth, which is a strong undercurrent to the war on terror. on the purple level its the war on other races, and their ways. it&#8217;s partly how the nazis got that kind of primitive blood and soil mysticism, too. fetishising the race as it were.</p>
<p> most of the nationalistic stuff is more accurately under blue and the &#8216;mythic order&#8217; of america, which is also how the fundamentalist chrisitan thing is so easily conflated with the mythic america thing, and not the orange rational enlightenment level, which holds the ideals of america as laid forth by the constituion, but the mythic level is older and stronger. </p>
<p>  it&#8217;s kind of fun once you understand the framework well enough to play with it. that&#8217;s why i wonder why people have problems with wilber. his system actually gives you more room to play with things if you look at it the right way.</p>
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		<title>By: slomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>slomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post.  I am struck by how well the colors match up to the color assignments for many of the sephiroth in the qabalistic tree-of-life.  I suppose this really isn't an accident on Wilber's part.  If you want to go deeper with this model, you might want to check out some Qabala theory if you haven't already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post.  I am struck by how well the colors match up to the color assignments for many of the sephiroth in the qabalistic tree-of-life.  I suppose this really isn&#8217;t an accident on Wilber&#8217;s part.  If you want to go deeper with this model, you might want to check out some Qabala theory if you haven&#8217;t already.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Quadrant. All Level. Al Qaida!</description>
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		<title>By: hester</title>
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		<dc:creator>hester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>laugh. my. ass. off.  shit, you just blew the lid off of his tiresome tripe.</description>
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