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We Can Kill You
A chilling article from the Guardian:
Police have been given permission to shoot dead suspected suicide bombers without any verbal warning, the Guardian has learned.
The killing of an innocent Brazilian man in a London underground station on Friday has focused attention on new guidelines to defend against terror attacks.
Operation Kratos tactics say suicide bombers who are about to explode their devices can be shot in the head.
[Pointed out to me by JK]
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July 29th, 2005 at 12:02 pm
yeah, but if I’m about to shoot myself in the head, are they allowed to blow me up? huh? are they?
fuck the system man!
July 29th, 2005 at 12:21 pm
people react to terror in different ways. the british have recent experience with fuckheads intent on destruction on thier soil. sorry an innocent died. wish the people in the tube and on the busses weren`t ripped to bits either. when a free man is hit he comes back swinging. test your own nervous system now.
July 29th, 2005 at 4:06 pm
I know this seems off-topic, but this post reminded me of something: What do you think of the pact that the U.S. signed with Ireland, allowing CIA agents to interrogate Irish citizens at will? Do you think it had an effect on the recent disbanding of the IRA after 35 years?
I read about the Ireland pact about a week ago, when the Patriot Act was expanded legislatively. I don’t see the IRA”s retirement as a mere coincidence.
July 29th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
boston has been sending the boys money for years.
July 29th, 2005 at 4:47 pm
closer and closer, the pieces are being wielded together.
the current ’state of affairs’ can be traced back along the time-loop passing through the events surrounding and leading into the rise of adolf hitler, world war two, the fifties cold war, and the sixities aborted revolution that ended with death, assassinations, and the template set into motion on 22 november 1963 in dallas, texas.
while joseph kennedy was grooming his boys, prescott bush was also grooming his lads. two powerful families: one led by a bootlegger, the other ran by a shrewd no-nonsense mind that saw the power of business as the business of power. when john f. kennedy jr. was getting it in the throat, back, and head in dallas, texas, george bush had to be smiling.
the birth of the neo-conservative was made official. their quiet works during the forties and fifties has borne sweet enduring fruit. the game was always played upon the slide-ruler of patience. what the ‘left liberal wing’ doesn’t seem to gather nor comprehend. the ‘right conservative fundamental wing’ always held sway with the throne of patience. ask nixion about patience. ask kissenger about patience. ask prescott bush about patience.
slowly the spider created its intricate web. realising that work put forth now becomes power seized and claimed later. ask ronald ‘raygun’ reagan about the intricate web.
ask prescott bush about the intricate web.
ask the ‘founding fathers’ about the intricate web.
outrage has become impotent. the mocking slogans of protest and demonstration dried, brittled, useless husks. the way has been shown endless times, however:
burroughs, joyce, crowley, dali, picasso, ‘the rat pack’, warhol, leary, davis and coltrane, ghandi and king, malcolm and the beatles - the sparks that arose from within the dense lurking shadows. cut and paste the immue system across the viral contagion, and realise this shuck and jive has been played out before in its entirety.
time-wave quantum shock zero hour - the only tonick worth creating and harvesting. looking for answers in rhetoric seems as beneficial as flying the aircraft without fuel and wings and landing gear. use the ‘head talk’ as fertiliser. use the ‘theory ejaculations’ as mojo stun-gun; use the ‘hyperbolick wankering’ as venom arrows into the slumbering third eye.
the pieces of the puzzles never required piecing together. the puzzle has always given us the required clues; we just need to break from the dreary dread red-herring that talking about it makes it action at some type of distance.
take the puzzle, and stop staring at it. take the puzzle, and start sauteing the clues in the fine frying fat of the mind no longer afraid of plunging underneath the well-disguised framework of illusions and misdirection.
play the game on the terms that belongs to you.
July 29th, 2005 at 5:03 pm
the only term that belongs to us is free will and the desire to not watch t.v.
July 29th, 2005 at 5:33 pm
i like this dude lord moranosa….
although i disagree with
talking about it is a vitally important step. its learning… and a part of manifesting.. i know for sure that i wouldnt be in the position i am now to act, without the hundreds of hours of conversation with my bredren where we first “un learned”, and have now reconstructed through reasoning, a new way of thinking….
if you think that JUST talking about it is enough, i agree, red herring.. but to dismiss the talking (which id call reasoning) would be a grave mistake…
as far as london shoot to kill….. i guess im a jaded New Yorker cause i just think, welp, welcome to reality London…
one
human?
July 29th, 2005 at 7:55 pm
Alistair, do you really think plain-clothes policemen terrorizing and shooting innocent citizens without warning is an acceptable way to “deal” with terror?
July 29th, 2005 at 9:09 pm
Terror is terror. No matter who is doing the terrorizing.
Transcendence is needed. Put on your thinking caps people!
July 29th, 2005 at 9:15 pm
Yes, murder is murder, no matter the cause, no matter who struck first
July 29th, 2005 at 10:40 pm
ok, so i`m going to be the unpopular guy here and say that given that we believe that there is an actual threat, which i do, then yes matching terror for terror is the only acceptable response. it is the way the british have always dealt with threats. ask the nazis. or the french. i`m not going to buy into the intellectual aproach and say that we should think this through. time enough for that. political solutions and diplomacy work when there is a consensus. that doesn`t exist here. get a grip people. we are not well liked by certain radical groups who will stop at absolutely nothing, including being told to stop when running from the police. would any of you guys run when asked to stop, especially given that people had been blown to shit recently? yes, because you are innocent……………………….there is no time for second guesses. no luxury of sitting at a keyboard and typing in opinion. you are a highly trained militarised policeman with orders.
murder is murder. easy to type. but when your brothers and sisters are being ripped to bits by fucking psychopaths and you can still hear the screams in your ears you pull the trigger.
i grew up hearing the stories of war from people in my family who fought the nazis. they were not murderers. niether were the german pilots or the terrorists. they are all warriors for a cause. no foul. just be prepared for the ulimate sacrifice. i don`t blame any of these people. they are having natural responses to the feelings they are experiencing. i have to question the process of intellectualising when it produces nothing but inaction. quick, we`re being attacked, lets think some more………….that`s where you guys lose me.
July 29th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
there is no feeling like running from the police….. and getting away.
one time i got pulled over driving my own car locally, breaking no laws whatsoever.
both officers approached the car with their guns drawn and i turned to see a 9mm pointing dead in my face.
luckily, ive dealt with police enough times to understand procedure and how best to deal, so when i pulled over, i did it instantly, and then always kept my hands nice & in view…. unfortunately, the police officer wasnt to interested in procedure and rather than have me & my friend come out of the car while he stood back by his car, this officer was quite gung-ho and decided to approach me with his gun drawn, aimed while screaming at me & cursing.
so i got out nice & calm, and laid down on the floor (actually the middle of the street, Skillman Ave in Queens, pretty bust place, i guess not really at 3 A.M.) and the officer started going through my car. at that point he wasnt exactly pointing a gun at me, so i started asking question from the ground… nice and calm & to the point…
so after a couple times being told to shut the fuck up, the officer realized it was in fact my car & he had probably made a big mistake, and what followed was the shortest conversation ever ive had with a officer…. i was done & on my way in like 3 minutes…..
had i not been calm, perhaps confused, or annoyed, and then got shot in the face, you are essentially saying thats okay…
thats where you lost me.
and they lost me too. because nobody has ever come closer to killing me. and nobdy has ever assaulted my pride as a human being like that before.
btw, ive never been arrested. ever. and i never will.
but somebody, some day, might shoot me.
one
human?
July 29th, 2005 at 11:38 pm
I’m sorry. I just don’t think it’s acceptable to make a policy that allows officers to kill indiscriminately on “suspicion of being a suicide bomber” without there being any proof or anything beyond a simple suspicion. I’m not questioning the motives of the officers involved, because I have no way to know. Nor am I trying to invalidate the feelings of people who suffered in this situation. It’s a heated situation and mistakes get made. I’m willing to accept that. But I’m not willing to accept that this is an over-arching policy decision. And of course the worst part of such things is that my acceptance or lack thereof is irrelevant to the actual situation, especially were it applied to me or someone I care about in a case of heated misunderstanding.
July 30th, 2005 at 1:10 am
The real problem, is that any of us could be mistaken for a “terrorist” with a policy that liberal. If the crime of ‘terrosrism’ is terrorizing the population, I think that very obviously qualifies. One shouldn’t be afraid of the police.
July 30th, 2005 at 2:09 am
Bullshit. Especially when much of the “terror” is manufactured.
July 30th, 2005 at 1:16 pm
if you believe it`s manufactured, your position is valid. and in your situation, human, there hadn`t recently been busses and subways bombed in the vicinity. otherwise the police would have been extra freaking nervous and any overt movement on your part would have been percieved as a threat. these are the realities of this kind of situation. so statisically small in occurance as to be virtually nonexistant, especially in america. but when it happens the energy released goes into everyone. police, politicians, innocent tourists, etc. we call it terror for that reason. and, for a short time afterwards, it`s silly season and anything can and will happen.
i grew up in england 15 years after he end of the war. people were still resonating with it. six years of terror from the sky. it brings a different viewpoint to the discussion. the british aren`t as fearful of government as americans. it was the government that got us through to 1945. we didn`t negotiate with a fuckhead terrorist/nazi psychopath. we just held him off, until he lit himself and his new bride on fire in a bunker in berlin.(or went to argentina.)
July 30th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
well that’s very righteous and all, but actually “we” negotiated with him about five hundred different ways, including selling him all kinds of weapons and technologies, before (and some would say even during) the war. then after the rich and powerful decided that enough of the blood of the poor and powerless had been spilled, our “leaders” (murderers) helped their murderers escape to argentina (and elsewhere).
i’d say what we’re seeing nowadays is just a case of, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
July 30th, 2005 at 4:13 pm
tell that to Amadou Diallo.
July 30th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
i believe amadou is fully aware of the situation. and albion….. righteous is the correct term. i like to think there is some basis for value in queen and country. otherwise we live in a sea of uncertainty about anything and all the values are flushed and we live in an n-space of nothing. oh, and by the way what would you guys suggest is the solution to bombs going off in urban transport networks or should we just consider it a “price of doing business” for being the “ugly consumers/repressors/christians”, or what ever the underclasses feel we are responsible for today.
July 30th, 2005 at 8:45 pm
bah. take a look at whose ‘interests’ are really being served by wars and other public executions. then maybe we can begin to talk about righteousness. until then, all these exhortations to enjoin the battle are just a load of machismo. which is another word for Bullshit.
July 31st, 2005 at 7:34 am
you keep saying that………but when the bombs come down what do you do? the intellectual approach, to point at our handlers, the feudal lords, rockerfellers, archons, the people who put martha stewart in jail, and the guy who drew bugs bunny if you wish, soothes the conscience. the pontious pilates then say that people who defend themselves are murderers. i take a simpler approach. when shit happens in front of me i take steps to rectify the immediate situation. who gives a tinker`s toss who`s interest`s are being served. i know there`s some smart philisophcal formula to describe this loop we`re in here, but suffice it to say that i hope that you aren`t ever provided with a situation where you are called to act, unless you have the ability to contradict the conditioned sense of passivity contained in your thinking.
August 1st, 2005 at 3:17 am
Yes it’s manufactured. We just don’t *know* really, can’t point an accusatory finger towards, that which is doing the manufacturing. My bets are on the empire. Period. Full stop. It creates that which it is most afraid of, therefore never having to ever deal with the “it” as it is, as itself.
As far as nervous police go. I say get rid of ‘em. All police and every military battallion. Disband them all and scuttle their weapons. Send them all home and cut off all access to weaponry for the rest of their lives. Police aren’t necessary. What is necessary is an empathy force who cuts to the fucking chase and comes up with a way to heal the world of its banality.
August 1st, 2005 at 10:30 am
an empathy force. bit of a confusion in terms. not everyone is empathic enough to not need some form of policing the game. people minding thier own business would be an ideal situation, though and you get full marks for wishing it were so but not with carniverous praedators around. i don`t like the sociopathic makeup of police either, and with the blatant militarisation of police at the civic level i have my concerns. at the end of the day they are revenue collecters. www.adventuresinlegalland.com may put a point on your pencil regarding this discussion. unfortunately, i don`t see an alternative given how humans act.
August 1st, 2005 at 2:24 pm
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