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	<title>Comments on: Socrates The Trickster</title>
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		<title>By: Avi Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avi Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a good resource on the cynic stream that sprang from Socrates' practical training in body:
http://www.geocities.com/avisolo4/Cynics.pdf
From the great compedium:
'The history of philosophy: containing the lives, opinions, actions and discourses of the philosophers of every sect. Illustrated with the effigies of divers of them' By Thomas Stanley, London, 1701.
Also have the Socrates section in PDF(6 MB) so email me and I'll send it to whoever requests.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good resource on the cynic stream that sprang from Socrates&#8217; practical training in body:<br />
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/avisolo4/Cynics.pdf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.geocities.com/avisolo4/Cynics.pdf'>http://www.geocities.com/avisolo4/Cynics.pdf</a><br />
From the great compedium:<br />
&#8216;The history of philosophy: containing the lives, opinions, actions and discourses of the philosophers of every sect. Illustrated with the effigies of divers of them&#8217; By Thomas Stanley, London, 1701.<br />
Also have the Socrates section in PDF(6 MB) so email me and I&#8217;ll send it to whoever requests.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I checked out Wikipedia on this, and it was altogether unhelpful. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I checked out Wikipedia on this, and it was altogether unhelpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Segovius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Segovius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, he's very interesting and of course firmly in the Socratic tradition. Unfortunately I cannot recommend any links on him - the Wiki is not the full picture imo.

The 'trickster' element of Diogenes teaching (which wasn't really a teaching or philosophy but more a mode of behaviour) is very likely preserved in the motifs of Mulla Nasrudin - the Middle Eastern mystical fool - whose tales are very similar to those told of Diogenes.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, he&#8217;s very interesting and of course firmly in the Socratic tradition. Unfortunately I cannot recommend any links on him - the Wiki is not the full picture imo.</p>
<p>The &#8216;trickster&#8217; element of Diogenes teaching (which wasn&#8217;t really a teaching or philosophy but more a mode of behaviour) is very likely preserved in the motifs of Mulla Nasrudin - the Middle Eastern mystical fool - whose tales are very similar to those told of Diogenes.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/31/socrates-the-trickster/comment-page-1/#comment-4268</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I haven't really looked into Diogenes, but I definitely will... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I haven&#8217;t really looked into Diogenes, but I definitely will&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Segovius</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/31/socrates-the-trickster/comment-page-1/#comment-4265</link>
		<dc:creator>Segovius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Trickster motif is significant and I think you are right to link Socrates with it but one should also include another stream - Diogenes and the Cynics (forgive me if you have mentioned this, I haven't read all your posts on this subject yet).

Diogenes is important for numerous reasons. Firstly he IS the embodiment of the Trickster himself but, more significantly, he is a precursor of Christ and the Cynic School influenced Christianity to a very large and unacknowledged degree. The Byzantine concept of the 'Holy Fool' for example is pure Cynicism and it survives intact as a tradition incorporating magical elements right up to the time of Rasputin who is also of this lineage.

But the Cynics are important for another reason - they are a link in a chain which passes directly to Christianity and on to Islam/Sufism. The Greek tradition you mention would not have the significance to us it has were it not for it being salvaged by Jewish/Christian/Muslim scholars working in medieval Spain. These schools of philosophy and mysticism translated the Greek works we later inherited and which would otherwise be lost.

Having passed through a filter which was itself in essence a synthesis of Jewish/Christian/Islamic (mystical) belief, Greek thought became the bedrock of western civilization but in a form which was an amalgam of the highest of the three other traditions which nurtured it. I think this synthesis is important and evidence of it can be found everywhere in the west today - I won't bore anyone with examples!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Trickster motif is significant and I think you are right to link Socrates with it but one should also include another stream - Diogenes and the Cynics (forgive me if you have mentioned this, I haven&#8217;t read all your posts on this subject yet).</p>
<p>Diogenes is important for numerous reasons. Firstly he IS the embodiment of the Trickster himself but, more significantly, he is a precursor of Christ and the Cynic School influenced Christianity to a very large and unacknowledged degree. The Byzantine concept of the &#8216;Holy Fool&#8217; for example is pure Cynicism and it survives intact as a tradition incorporating magical elements right up to the time of Rasputin who is also of this lineage.</p>
<p>But the Cynics are important for another reason - they are a link in a chain which passes directly to Christianity and on to Islam/Sufism. The Greek tradition you mention would not have the significance to us it has were it not for it being salvaged by Jewish/Christian/Muslim scholars working in medieval Spain. These schools of philosophy and mysticism translated the Greek works we later inherited and which would otherwise be lost.</p>
<p>Having passed through a filter which was itself in essence a synthesis of Jewish/Christian/Islamic (mystical) belief, Greek thought became the bedrock of western civilization but in a form which was an amalgam of the highest of the three other traditions which nurtured it. I think this synthesis is important and evidence of it can be found everywhere in the west today - I won&#8217;t bore anyone with examples!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicq MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicq MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along similiar lines, I wrote a little "Reflections" article for my college newspaper a few years ago on provoking your beliefs and the significance of Socrates:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/quantanephilim/2003/09/23/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along similiar lines, I wrote a little &#8220;Reflections&#8221; article for my college newspaper a few years ago on provoking your beliefs and the significance of Socrates:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/quantanephilim/2003/09/23/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.livejournal.com/users/quantanephilim/2003/09/23/'>http://www.livejournal.com/users/quantanephilim/2003/09/23/</a></p>
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