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		<title>By: Occult Investigator  &#187; Anti-Conspiracy Theory</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/08/02/the-jesus-videos/comment-page-1/#comment-4362</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator  &#187; Anti-Conspiracy Theory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  			Anti-Conspiracy Theory 	 			 					I received such a great comment from Carlos on my post about conspiracy theory as religion that I want to upgrade it to [...]</description>
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<p> 					I received such a great comment from Carlos on my post about conspiracy theory as religion that I want to upgrade it to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/08/02/the-jesus-videos/comment-page-1/#comment-4354</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œwe donâ€™t do the wacky stuff (rolls eyes), only the real stuff (stern frown)â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's EXACTLY like the Wiccans who are always trying to claim that they don't worship Satan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€œwe donâ€™t do the wacky stuff (rolls eyes), only the real stuff (stern frown)â€</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s EXACTLY like the Wiccans who are always trying to claim that they don&#8217;t worship Satan</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/08/02/the-jesus-videos/comment-page-1/#comment-4352</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe. Albion, that's exactly why I posted it! I got what I was looking for. 

Carlos, pour it on baby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe. Albion, that&#8217;s exactly why I posted it! I got what I was looking for. </p>
<p>Carlos, pour it on baby!</p>
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		<title>By: albion</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/08/02/the-jesus-videos/comment-page-1/#comment-4349</link>
		<dc:creator>albion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 05:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm sympathetic to your conspiracy theory as religion project but honestly, that article you posted on the RI board was a pretty lame rant, so its little wonder the responses were so uptight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sympathetic to your conspiracy theory as religion project but honestly, that article you posted on the RI board was a pretty lame rant, so its little wonder the responses were so uptight.</p>
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		<title>By: carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 04:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fuck facts. i think conspiracy theorists would more properly be called analysts, with an emphasis on the anal. tarantino is a bricoleur. that's why he rocks. djs digging in the crates, so bricolage. i love that idea, it's been my unconscious style all my life but i never knew i was doing it. so do i now want to fuck up kill bill by analysing the fuck out of it, documenting which 1970s films his ideas &lt;em&gt;really &lt;/em&gt;came from? it has &lt;em&gt;absolutely nothing to do with the story!&lt;/em&gt;

and you're so right about the connections being key, although what i think most conspiracy theorists are looking for is something to make themselves feel important, and that's why it's like a religion, so fucking important...

"we're doing the hard work, fighting the good fight, got the whole thing on tape, 110%, yea verily the world is a better place for our remarkable achievements."

yeah, way to hold down the block, gangsta.

"we don't do the wacky stuff (rolls eyes), only the real stuff (stern forwn)"

there it is again, the quest for the machine's respect. softcocks. really, it's a wacky fucking existence. go hard.

"oh we've got all the dirt. it's documented. it's real."

sfw? you're living in the fucking matrix. nothing is proven. you don't know &lt;em&gt;shit &lt;/em&gt;about watergate, and even if you did it doesn't change a fucking thing.

unless you mythologise. but the man's got you thinking that that's a bad thing so you stick to the facts. sucker, the devil's in the details.

fuck keeping it real. keep it mythological. i suspect that myth, because it claims to be nothing but, is the only thing in this world that isn't a complete sham.

honestly all this conspiracy theory stuff is retarded. let's say we're conspiracy hypothesists!! oh jesus, that will clear things up won't it, and it doesn't sound gay at all. just say the word hypothesis in a pub. go on.

conspiracy theory is a religion, and of the worst kind because it's completely jackable, and has been jacked by charlatans and fools. because truth &lt;em&gt;does not &lt;/em&gt;equal reality. remember at the end of the last temptation of christ, jesus is all like: but i didn't die on the cross, it's a lie. and paul says: shut up man, that has &lt;em&gt;absolutely nothing to do with the story.&lt;/em&gt;

i've fucking had it with conspiracy theorists. from now on i'm going to be one of "history's actors" sounds like more fun.

and all you "serious conspiracy theorists" can go and get fact.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fuck facts. i think conspiracy theorists would more properly be called analysts, with an emphasis on the anal. tarantino is a bricoleur. that&#8217;s why he rocks. djs digging in the crates, so bricolage. i love that idea, it&#8217;s been my unconscious style all my life but i never knew i was doing it. so do i now want to fuck up kill bill by analysing the fuck out of it, documenting which 1970s films his ideas <em>really </em>came from? it has <em>absolutely nothing to do with the story!</em></p>
<p>and you&#8217;re so right about the connections being key, although what i think most conspiracy theorists are looking for is something to make themselves feel important, and that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s like a religion, so fucking important&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;we&#8217;re doing the hard work, fighting the good fight, got the whole thing on tape, 110%, yea verily the world is a better place for our remarkable achievements.&#8221;</p>
<p>yeah, way to hold down the block, gangsta.</p>
<p>&#8220;we don&#8217;t do the wacky stuff (rolls eyes), only the real stuff (stern forwn)&#8221;</p>
<p>there it is again, the quest for the machine&#8217;s respect. softcocks. really, it&#8217;s a wacky fucking existence. go hard.</p>
<p>&#8220;oh we&#8217;ve got all the dirt. it&#8217;s documented. it&#8217;s real.&#8221;</p>
<p>sfw? you&#8217;re living in the fucking matrix. nothing is proven. you don&#8217;t know <em>shit </em>about watergate, and even if you did it doesn&#8217;t change a fucking thing.</p>
<p>unless you mythologise. but the man&#8217;s got you thinking that that&#8217;s a bad thing so you stick to the facts. sucker, the devil&#8217;s in the details.</p>
<p>fuck keeping it real. keep it mythological. i suspect that myth, because it claims to be nothing but, is the only thing in this world that isn&#8217;t a complete sham.</p>
<p>honestly all this conspiracy theory stuff is retarded. let&#8217;s say we&#8217;re conspiracy hypothesists!! oh jesus, that will clear things up won&#8217;t it, and it doesn&#8217;t sound gay at all. just say the word hypothesis in a pub. go on.</p>
<p>conspiracy theory is a religion, and of the worst kind because it&#8217;s completely jackable, and has been jacked by charlatans and fools. because truth <em>does not </em>equal reality. remember at the end of the last temptation of christ, jesus is all like: but i didn&#8217;t die on the cross, it&#8217;s a lie. and paul says: shut up man, that has <em>absolutely nothing to do with the story.</em></p>
<p>i&#8217;ve fucking had it with conspiracy theorists. from now on i&#8217;m going to be one of &#8220;history&#8217;s actors&#8221; sounds like more fun.</p>
<p>and all you &#8220;serious conspiracy theorists&#8221; can go and get fact.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 02:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing on the thread of rock as religion:

"Jesus Christ Superstar" was a great musical. 

Quentin Tarantino liked "The Passion Of The Christ", because it was a good movie, not because of his beliefs. I respect Tarantino's taste in movies, because he knows what he is talking about. In fact, Tarantino is a maniac when it comes to cinema, bordering on fanaticism.

That Australian guy who directed "The Passion" starred in "Conspiracy Theory" a movie that did no justice to CT thinking... although having Patrick Stewart as the villain was a stroke of genius.

I've always wanted someone to investigate rock and roll as a conspiracy: the KKK used to say it was the decline of civilization, white kids dancing to "negro music". Who would want the Negroes to infiltrate the Sytem anyway? Communists, maybe?

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<p>&#8220;Jesus Christ Superstar&#8221; was a great musical. </p>
<p>Quentin Tarantino liked &#8220;The Passion Of The Christ&#8221;, because it was a good movie, not because of his beliefs. I respect Tarantino&#8217;s taste in movies, because he knows what he is talking about. In fact, Tarantino is a maniac when it comes to cinema, bordering on fanaticism.</p>
<p>That Australian guy who directed &#8220;The Passion&#8221; starred in &#8220;Conspiracy Theory&#8221; a movie that did no justice to CT thinking&#8230; although having Patrick Stewart as the villain was a stroke of genius.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always wanted someone to investigate rock and roll as a conspiracy: the KKK used to say it was the decline of civilization, white kids dancing to &#8220;negro music&#8221;. Who would want the Negroes to infiltrate the Sytem anyway? Communists, maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/08/02/the-jesus-videos/comment-page-1/#comment-4337</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, honestly, I don't think there's any separating it culturally. </description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so the context here is the wacky far out stuff, not the government corruption stuff. I didn't catch that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so the context here is the wacky far out stuff, not the government corruption stuff. I didn&#8217;t catch that.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/08/02/the-jesus-videos/comment-page-1/#comment-4330</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think we have to keep in mind that there are conspiracies that are real and are proven. Enron, Watergate, Savings &#38; Loan, Iran Contra. And the perps of all those are Bush-connected.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No one's suggesting we pay any less attention to the "real" conspiracies. What I'm saying is that we need to spend &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; attention on the unreal ones, and what purpose they serve culturally and individually. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think we have to keep in mind that there are conspiracies that are real and are proven. Enron, Watergate, Savings &amp; Loan, Iran Contra. And the perps of all those are Bush-connected.</p></blockquote>
<p>No one&#8217;s suggesting we pay any less attention to the &#8220;real&#8221; conspiracies. What I&#8217;m saying is that we need to spend <em>more</em> attention on the unreal ones, and what purpose they serve culturally and individually.</p>
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		<title>By: Occult Investigator</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/08/02/the-jesus-videos/comment-page-1/#comment-4328</link>
		<dc:creator>Occult Investigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like labels! We all use them. There's no way to stop. And using them gets people talking and thinking and moving in new directions. Anyway, I'm trying to look at social movements and AT &lt;em&gt;the generalizations&lt;/em&gt;. I find it interesting to try and apply this shifting model to something totally amorphous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like labels! We all use them. There&#8217;s no way to stop. And using them gets people talking and thinking and moving in new directions. Anyway, I&#8217;m trying to look at social movements and AT <em>the generalizations</em>. I find it interesting to try and apply this shifting model to something totally amorphous</p>
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		<title>By: LVX23</title>
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		<dc:creator>LVX23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not to characterize every conspiracy theorist as schizophrenic, but itâ€™s not exactly always the most clear-thinking group of people who are finding faces on Mars and the like.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You're making a lot of generalizations. Why even suggests that there is a coherent group of people called "conspiracy theorists"? You're perpetuating the label and pigeonholing a large array of people into one class. Some find faces on Mars and blame it on the CIA. Some expose assassinations and domestic covert ops that actually exist. 

Evaluate each on their own merit, rather than by convenient labels. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not to characterize every conspiracy theorist as schizophrenic, but itâ€™s not exactly always the most clear-thinking group of people who are finding faces on Mars and the like.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re making a lot of generalizations. Why even suggests that there is a coherent group of people called &#8220;conspiracy theorists&#8221;? You&#8217;re perpetuating the label and pigeonholing a large array of people into one class. Some find faces on Mars and blame it on the CIA. Some expose assassinations and domestic covert ops that actually exist. </p>
<p>Evaluate each on their own merit, rather than by convenient labels.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crap, sorry for the typos. I'm on someone else's computer and their font settings are tiny, so I can barely see what I'm typing. Anyway, conspiracy hypothesists, that's what I meant. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap, sorry for the typos. I&#8217;m on someone else&#8217;s computer and their font settings are tiny, so I can barely see what I&#8217;m typing. Anyway, conspiracy hypothesists, that&#8217;s what I meant. </p>
<p>(These comments need an edit feature)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we have to keep in mind that there are conspiracies that are real and are proven. Enron, Watergate, Savings &#38; Loan, Iran Contra. And the perps of all those are Bush-connected. 19 muslim hijackers sneaking into our country and hijacking planes, that's also a conspiracy. Everyone believes in conspiracies, some just aren't politically correct. 

But I really commented to say this: can't we be Conspiray Hypothesists instead of Theorists? We need to articulate the distinction between looking for &#38; suspecting connections and dogmatically believing in every crazy theory you hear on the internet. And what about being skeptical? If one should be skeptical of conspiracy theories, the surely one should be skeptical of the government's version of events as well, right? Or is there a double standard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have to keep in mind that there are conspiracies that are real and are proven. Enron, Watergate, Savings &amp; Loan, Iran Contra. And the perps of all those are Bush-connected. 19 muslim hijackers sneaking into our country and hijacking planes, that&#8217;s also a conspiracy. Everyone believes in conspiracies, some just aren&#8217;t politically correct. </p>
<p>But I really commented to say this: can&#8217;t we be Conspiray Hypothesists instead of Theorists? We need to articulate the distinction between looking for &amp; suspecting connections and dogmatically believing in every crazy theory you hear on the internet. And what about being skeptical? If one should be skeptical of conspiracy theories, the surely one should be skeptical of the government&#8217;s version of events as well, right? Or is there a double standard?</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and that australian guy just made a movie about christ that many are taking as real. they even let kids watch the torture. cathoholics are a fun-loving bunch. a long thing being inserted into a person is o.k. as long as it causes pain. if it causes pleasure, ban it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and that australian guy just made a movie about christ that many are taking as real. they even let kids watch the torture. cathoholics are a fun-loving bunch. a long thing being inserted into a person is o.k. as long as it causes pain. if it causes pleasure, ban it.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rock and roll is a crusade. an invasion of foriegn countries by roving bands of long-haired(or shaved-headed) youths bringing a new way of thinking about life, love and the meaning of everything. couldn`t be anything like religion. you`d need an army to enforce a new doctrine, wouldn`t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rock and roll is a crusade. an invasion of foriegn countries by roving bands of long-haired(or shaved-headed) youths bringing a new way of thinking about life, love and the meaning of everything. couldn`t be anything like religion. you`d need an army to enforce a new doctrine, wouldn`t you?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We accept a lot of things on legend and not fact. Socrates never wrote a thing-- did he really exist? Everyone says yes, but if you really examine it, there's about as much evidence to say he didn't exist as there is for Jesus Christ.

One of my favorite pseudo-mysteries (along the lines of the identity of Jack The Ripper) is whether or not Shakespeare wrote his own plays. There have been candidates bandied about all over the place, such as Sir Francis Bacon. Does that cast any aspersions upon the power and magnitude of Shakey's plays? Not really.

I find that people who are hostile towards Christianity embrace a lot of the same insane reasoning that religious nuts possess. It's a human thing, we all do it. But I think the teachings of people like Socrates or Jesus are an attempt to transcend that presumptive thinking. Science can be flawed too, you know.

For some, CT is religion, just as rock n roll is religion to some people. David Bowie made the rock/religion connection decades ago. I think it ties in with this seemingly innate need to mythologize.

As for me? Rock is more sacred to me than CT, but there's a sexy, humorous, even dangerous element to both that keeps it all in perspective for me.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We accept a lot of things on legend and not fact. Socrates never wrote a thing&#8211; did he really exist? Everyone says yes, but if you really examine it, there&#8217;s about as much evidence to say he didn&#8217;t exist as there is for Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>One of my favorite pseudo-mysteries (along the lines of the identity of Jack The Ripper) is whether or not Shakespeare wrote his own plays. There have been candidates bandied about all over the place, such as Sir Francis Bacon. Does that cast any aspersions upon the power and magnitude of Shakey&#8217;s plays? Not really.</p>
<p>I find that people who are hostile towards Christianity embrace a lot of the same insane reasoning that religious nuts possess. It&#8217;s a human thing, we all do it. But I think the teachings of people like Socrates or Jesus are an attempt to transcend that presumptive thinking. Science can be flawed too, you know.</p>
<p>For some, CT is religion, just as rock n roll is religion to some people. David Bowie made the rock/religion connection decades ago. I think it ties in with this seemingly innate need to mythologize.</p>
<p>As for me? Rock is more sacred to me than CT, but there&#8217;s a sexy, humorous, even dangerous element to both that keeps it all in perspective for me.</p>
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