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“Ultra-Rovianistic Innoculation”
The title of this post alone ought to be enough to tip you off that we’re going to enter some possibly absurd waters. There’s been a “meme” (I hate that word) spreading slowly for a few months now about how in early 2001, Fox aired a pilot episode of a tv series called “Lone Gunmen” which was an X-Files spinoff, and which featured some kind of fictional tale of government insiders hijacking a plane and crashing it on purpose. I haven’t seen the episode in years (I’m about 65% sure I saw it when it first came out though), so I’m not real sharp on the details. But I know you can download it on file-sharing networks.
Anyway, it’s an interesting anomaly, that’s for sure. Also, there’s a (possibly apocryphal) legend that one of the guys in that show claimed Chris Carter, the show’s producer, was collaborating on plotlines with military & intelligence types. That’s starting to seem more unlikely to me, but who knows. More likely than anything, this legend would be spread as viral advertising to rope the original X-Files audience back into the conspiratorial thinking of the then-new Lone Gunmen series. Some people over at the Rigorous Intuition forum, on the other hand, smell a set-up of “ultra-Rovianistic proportions”:
[T]hese stores were FED to the show in order to make us believe, for example, that an insider attack on 9-11 (MIHOP) is just fiction — this demonstrates a very highly organized disinformation psyops methodology that has got to be operating at a much higher level than many of us are aware.
It also demonstrates, at least to me, a more substantial network of complicity than I suspected at first with respect to a 9-11 MIHOP.
WHAT IF these propaganda operations by the military-intel-media-corporate are MUCH more sophisiticated and extensive and virtually permeate the media and we just simply do not notice it.
It is CRITICAL , from my perspective, that we examine and expose such operations and efforts EVERYWHERE [..]
The subtlety of these efforts [..] as well as their obviousness (as in the case of the 9-11 X File/Lone Gunmen episode) HAVE to be more vigorously discussed and examined.
I’m not sure what MIHOP stands for, but I am sure that trying to examine and expose all media ever created to look for secret signs of evil is guaranteed to make you go insane. Why would the secret evil shadow government need to use a tv show that didn’t last more than a few months to trick people into thinking that the secret evil shadow government wasn’t going to be responsible for something that would happen several months in the future, and be blamed on terrorists? Making a tv show doesn’t somehow cover their tracks, and I don’t really believe that it “innoculates” anybody against anything. It’s definitely a wild coincidence. But then it’s only a coincidence if you happen to believe 9/11 was actually an inside job. If you dropped that assumption (and it is an assumption - it’s totally unproven) for a moment, then there’s no coincidence, no massive disinformation campaign covering all media, and no “Ultra-Rovianistic Innoculation”. People are forgetting that this is an imagined coincidence, and not a real one. When you can prove 9/11 was an inside job, then you can prove it was secretly put forth into media ahead of time for a nefarious psyops agenda. But by the time you’ve actually proven that, then it won’t matter that some TV show had something remotely similar in it that year.
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August 4th, 2005 at 8:54 am
MIHOP: made it happen on purpose
LIHOP: let it happen on purpose
August 4th, 2005 at 8:56 am
I heard on NPR the other day MSM (US) is attempting to disseminate the idea that there was some type of police activity in the form of a drill on the 2nd recent London bombing uhh 11 JUL 05? I think … in all 3 or 4(?) locations, I guess implying that they prevented the events or at least I suppose the 4th? one… You see every time you look at a news item from AP or Reuters or whatever and it’s the “FAILED secound attempt” and so forth, the bias is implicit at this point.
I like how we have to hear about the details of the raids and shit through Newsday’s coverage of an NYPD press conference. And now it’s homemade shit not military C4.
And what about the plane that went down over Queens or someshit like 2 days after 9/11…
No one ever talks about that one.
Anyway,
I gotta go outside.
-tc
-tc
August 4th, 2005 at 9:20 am
It was about a month after 9/11 that the plane went down in Queens. I was living in Astoria at the time and I remember a friend of mine in California calling to see if I was okay and if I wanted to leave the city and come live with her. I forget now what the official cause was claimed to be, but it wasn’t seen as being related to terrorism…
As far as the Lone Gunmen thing, it’s about a remote controlled plane being flown into the WTC, if I remember correctly. I don’t know whether to jump to saying it was a planned part of innoculating people to a planned conspiracy or not, but there seemed to be so many premonitions of 9/11 and its aftermath in media in the late 90’s. There’s the blown up buildings in Fight Club, there’s the martial law declaration after a muslim terrorist attack of that Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington movie (is it the Seige?); there was an underground hip hop album released a few months before which featured the twin towers being blown up on its cover, KRS-One’s album “The Sneak Attack” of late 2000. What to make of it?
There’s a similar high wierdness similar to the LG episode in regards to the Patty Hearst/Weather Underground saga. An English professor in college was involved with an off-off broadway comedy that was about to open during that period. The plot? A privileged rich heiress is kidnapped by revolutionaries and subsequently becomes one. When the Patty Hearst thing happened, the show was cancelled and never even made it to the stage. In another example, I’m aware of a novel that came out before the Hearst kidnapping that had as its plot basically the exact same scenario. As I remember being told, the author was investigated by the FBI because they were absolutely certain that it could not be a coincidence. But it was. Wierd shit like this happens around events like these. What to make of it? Perhaps these are unconscious magick workings by the artists who are unaware of the morphic resonances they’re conjuring? Or they just somehow happened to pick up a bit of something in the air? Or maybe it’s simply that certain artists and fiction writers share similarities of thought with intelligence operation planners?
Coincidance?
Who the fuh knows?
August 4th, 2005 at 9:26 am
I know someone already answered what MIHOP is, but I thought I’d post this anyway. There’s a website that names acronyms - I use it whenever I don’t know what the heck someone is trying to say. Anyway, I thought it was sorta funny what it says about MIHOP:
MIHOP Made It Happen on Purpose (9/11 attack conspiracy theory)
The place doesn’t generally put stuff in parenthesis after a definition.
Acronym Finder Search: What does MIHOP stand for?
August 4th, 2005 at 10:14 am
rabbit holes, people. stay the fuck out of the rabbit holes. there is no escape and you can`t live on carrots alone.
August 4th, 2005 at 11:53 am
I agree with Hebrides: the event was floating in the collective consciousness, or in some mind space we don’t understand yet, and manifesting in various ways. Happens all the time, and it’s neither meaningless coincidence, nor as meaningful as the paranoids like to think. The meaning is not “these two things are specially connected,” but everything is connected.
In investigating “conspiracy theory”, I don’t need proof. Proof beyond reasonable doubt is the standard in court to send someone to prison. The practical standard for living my life is not proof but preponderance of evidence. And there is strong preponderance of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job… and no good evidence that it was secretly put forth in the media.
August 4th, 2005 at 12:02 pm
I think the key thing this person on the forum neglected is that whether it was a coincidence or some kind of crazy cultural “innoculation”, what are you going to do about it? The only question becomes … so? Are you going to then spend your life trying to decode messages of evil, thinking you’re beating the bad guys? Are you going to be able to stop another 9/11, or when one happens are you just going to sit back with your hands on your head and say, “SEE…? I told you so.” There’s no way out here.
August 4th, 2005 at 12:08 pm
I’ve always thought this myself. But is there really a “strong preponderance of evidence” or is that one of many compelling interpretations? Part of the reason I do like this whole thing about cultural coincidence goes back to what Ran said about about poking holes in reality, and challenging the official narrative. How much do we poke holes in reality, and how much should we create alternative narratives to explain these holes? Is there any way to create these holes without coming up with narratives to explain them? Can we just present them as holes and anomalies? What’s the benefit of framing them in a narrative, which may turn out to be as untrue as the official one? Truth isn’t really what we’re after, is it - or at least not facts?
August 4th, 2005 at 12:25 pm
man i miss the lone gunmen– that show was fantastic! i guess the only good thing about its short run was that i can claim to have seen every episode.
as to the pilot/911 connexion, i think it’s silly. no matter who chose to ram planes into the wtc, they did it because running a plane into the wtc was an obvious choice, and its been an obvious choice since the beginning. if the lone gunmen terrorists had chosen to fly a plane into, say, the oregon vista house and then terrorists actually did fly a plane into the oregon vista house, well that would be a remarkable indication that the two were comehow connected. there’s also that whole steve jackson ‘illuminati’ card game that featured smoking twin towers and the destruction of the pentagon. some people think that this PROVES that the illuminati were behind the whole mess, but all it really proves is that anyone who’s thinking of attacking the us would pick the wtc and the pentagon as obvious, and the gaming geeks at steve jackson thought of it a long time ago. but again, if the con wanted to send out secret messages indicating the events of 911, why in hell would they pick some obscure 80’s card game played by a few convention-going gameheads to do so?
the ‘underlying consciousness’ and patterns of connexion are also worth considering, but the only person i’ve ever seen do so convincingly is goro adachi, and his ideas are far different than any of the other illuminati-heads.
there’s a definite danger in attributing too much to numbers and figures. like those jokers who sit there with lists and lists of every single measurement taken at the great pyramid, and they’re like, ‘oh, this design shows that this chamber was being used by an advancxed alien race because it’s 360 degrees from this point to this point and 360 is the sacred number of BLAHBLAHBLAH.’ well yeah, but 360 is also the number of degrees in a CIRCLE, boneheads, so of COURSE it’s gonna turn up all the time! i could go into my bathroom right now and mathematically prove based on ’sacred numerology’ that my toilet is actually a calendric model of the seasons designed as a microcosmic image of the macrocosm.
August 4th, 2005 at 1:03 pm
i dunno why thats dubious since pentagon-hollywood collaborations are pretty well established. ever seen any ww2 flicks? pretty much straight propaganda.
August 4th, 2005 at 1:22 pm
what makes npr not part of the msm? alex merklinger says he`s ad free by choice so that he can be objective and he broadcasts from an airstream trailer. but he`s a millionaire with val kilmer and hanoi jane as niegbours, so his conspiracy “news” is bought wholesale by his listeners looking to be pissed off at america for being the global bully. it`s just another opinion, collective conciousness or not. my opinions come from the same place.(unless it`s only for enviro/peace types)
August 4th, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Albion, I meant to say it was dubious because I didnt have the patience to track down the original source, and wanted to include the possibility that it may be made up because I’ve not taken the time to check.
August 4th, 2005 at 5:36 pm
and propaganda is distinctly different to conspiracy. and i think that john wayne and the boys actually liked america. and old glory bikinis. and apple pie and chevvies. better than digging around looking to find shit to hate. that fat fuck who made the movie about columbine and 9/11? he doesn`t strike me as the teary-eyed patriot trying to rediscover the real america through his art. bit of a commie. imo……….
and lets find a proven link between carter and intel and military o.k?
August 4th, 2005 at 7:46 pm
Tim, I’m curious why you dislike the term “meme”? Over-use?
August 4th, 2005 at 9:10 pm
Overuse definitely. I also think it’s too mechanistic of a way to look at human culture and interaction. It may or may not be an accurate model on one level, but it takes a certain amount of the magic out of it all for me.
August 5th, 2005 at 2:41 am
It’s funny you say that cause I’ve been studying magick as a system of manipualting memetics.
For the record, Dawkins defined a meme as a “unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation”. So the concept of the wheel is a meme, a succesful logo is a meme, a myth is a meme, etc… Any specific representational structure that manages to replicate itself across many minds. The notion is that an idea is subject to the same evolutionary processes as a gene. Reproduce or die.
August 5th, 2005 at 4:03 am
alistair, i don’t think your “conspiracy theory is anti-american” line holds any water. many conspiricists are right-wing and consider themselves patriots. in fact the right has long been way ahead of the left in this regard, from the fake shit like the protocols, to the real suppressed history like the rockefellers, mena, ok city, twa flight 800, etc. the interest in peering behind the wizard’s curtain is not a leftist phenomenon, it’s a populist phenomenon.
August 5th, 2005 at 8:54 am
We should be finished by 2012. Disappearing up our own arses, that is.
Obviously a disinfo agent.
Seriously, I do think (without any proof) that the x-files took every anomaly it could find and channeled them all into a narrow, easily controlled framework. OTOH, if I were chris carter that’s exactly how I would make a show like that, by cramming myths (the emotional resonance is money in the bank) in a narrative that’s easy to manage, after all you have to work with it week after week as you develop the series. If any archonic ideas and agendas arise through that process, or if the writers dredge up something nasty from the colective, it doesn’t necessitate a government conspiracy. Hey, maybe the archetypes (embedded in carter’s creativity) created the whole carter/intell thing as a false flag to take the heat off themselves.
And maybe the whole archon / archetype thing is pure fiction (un)intentionally taking the heat off real old-fashioned criminals.
Stranger things have happened.
Maybe I’ll stop saying maybe. That would be strange.
August 5th, 2005 at 10:21 am
albion, i tend to agree that looking behind the curtain is a populist activity, it`s just that, of late, a walk through the video store (rogers video and blockbuster) reveals a panapoly of left-wing conspiracy dressed up as sociological documentaries. the list runs from columbine to the death of suburbia due to escalating gas prices to the deconstruction of corporations to seven or eight “truths” about 9/11. i see this through the eyes of my nine year old who is begining to ask questions driven by comments from his teachers about issues like 9/11, that are opinion presented as fact. tim`s position that conspiracy theory has taken on religion-like elements is borne out by thinking along these lines. it leads to minor neurosis. granted we fill in the gaps when we don`t know, but the media has made an industry out of it which concretises these positions into what used to be trusted as fact. “the most trusted name in news” is now laughable.
my suggestions to people is to put down the newspapers and turn off the t.v., if the events are important enough someone will tell you about it or you will be able to hear the noise out your door. everything else is entertainment, on one level or another.