It is CRITICAL , from my perspective, that we examine and expose such operations and efforts EVERYWHERE … … [they] HAVE to be more vigorously discussed and examined.

We should be finished by 2012. Disappearing up our own arses, that is.

Obviously a disinfo agent.

Seriously, I do think (without any proof) that the x-files took every anomaly it could find and channeled them all into a narrow, easily controlled framework. OTOH, if I were chris carter that’s exactly how I would make a show like that, by cramming myths (the emotional resonance is money in the bank) in a narrative that’s easy to manage, after all you have to work with it week after week as you develop the series. If any archonic ideas and agendas arise through that process, or if the writers dredge up something nasty from the colective, it doesn’t necessitate a government conspiracy. Hey, maybe the archetypes (embedded in carter’s creativity) created the whole carter/intell thing as a false flag to take the heat off themselves.

And maybe the whole archon / archetype thing is pure fiction (un)intentionally taking the heat off real old-fashioned criminals.

Stranger things have happened.

Maybe I’ll stop saying maybe. That would be strange.

For the record, Dawkins defined a meme as a “unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation”. So the concept of the wheel is a meme, a succesful logo is a meme, a myth is a meme, etc… Any specific representational structure that manages to replicate itself across many minds. The notion is that an idea is subject to the same evolutionary processes as a gene. Reproduce or die.

i dunno why thats dubious

Albion, I meant to say it was dubious because I didnt have the patience to track down the original source, and wanted to include the possibility that it may be made up because I’ve not taken the time to check.

one of the guys in that show claimed Chris Carter, the show’s producer, was collaborating on plotlines with military & intelligence types

i dunno why thats dubious since pentagon-hollywood collaborations are pretty well established. ever seen any ww2 flicks? pretty much straight propaganda.

as to the pilot/911 connexion, i think it’s silly. no matter who chose to ram planes into the wtc, they did it because running a plane into the wtc was an obvious choice, and its been an obvious choice since the beginning. if the lone gunmen terrorists had chosen to fly a plane into, say, the oregon vista house and then terrorists actually did fly a plane into the oregon vista house, well that would be a remarkable indication that the two were comehow connected. there’s also that whole steve jackson ‘illuminati’ card game that featured smoking twin towers and the destruction of the pentagon. some people think that this PROVES that the illuminati were behind the whole mess, but all it really proves is that anyone who’s thinking of attacking the us would pick the wtc and the pentagon as obvious, and the gaming geeks at steve jackson thought of it a long time ago. but again, if the con wanted to send out secret messages indicating the events of 911, why in hell would they pick some obscure 80’s card game played by a few convention-going gameheads to do so?

the ‘underlying consciousness’ and patterns of connexion are also worth considering, but the only person i’ve ever seen do so convincingly is goro adachi, and his ideas are far different than any of the other illuminati-heads.

there’s a definite danger in attributing too much to numbers and figures. like those jokers who sit there with lists and lists of every single measurement taken at the great pyramid, and they’re like, ‘oh, this design shows that this chamber was being used by an advancxed alien race because it’s 360 degrees from this point to this point and 360 is the sacred number of BLAHBLAHBLAH.’ well yeah, but 360 is also the number of degrees in a CIRCLE, boneheads, so of COURSE it’s gonna turn up all the time! i could go into my bathroom right now and mathematically prove based on ’sacred numerology’ that my toilet is actually a calendric model of the seasons designed as a microcosmic image of the macrocosm.

And there is strong preponderance of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job…

I’ve always thought this myself. But is there really a “strong preponderance of evidence” or is that one of many compelling interpretations? Part of the reason I do like this whole thing about cultural coincidence goes back to what Ran said about about poking holes in reality, and challenging the official narrative. How much do we poke holes in reality, and how much should we create alternative narratives to explain these holes? Is there any way to create these holes without coming up with narratives to explain them? Can we just present them as holes and anomalies? What’s the benefit of framing them in a narrative, which may turn out to be as untrue as the official one? Truth isn’t really what we’re after, is it - or at least not facts?

When you can prove 9/11 was an inside job, then you can prove it was secretly put forth into media ahead of time for a nefarious psyops agenda.

In investigating “conspiracy theory”, I don’t need proof. Proof beyond reasonable doubt is the standard in court to send someone to prison. The practical standard for living my life is not proof but preponderance of evidence. And there is strong preponderance of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job… and no good evidence that it was secretly put forth in the media.

MIHOP Made It Happen on Purpose (9/11 attack conspiracy theory)

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As far as the Lone Gunmen thing, it’s about a remote controlled plane being flown into the WTC, if I remember correctly. I don’t know whether to jump to saying it was a planned part of innoculating people to a planned conspiracy or not, but there seemed to be so many premonitions of 9/11 and its aftermath in media in the late 90’s. There’s the blown up buildings in Fight Club, there’s the martial law declaration after a muslim terrorist attack of that Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington movie (is it the Seige?); there was an underground hip hop album released a few months before which featured the twin towers being blown up on its cover, KRS-One’s album “The Sneak Attack” of late 2000. What to make of it?

There’s a similar high wierdness similar to the LG episode in regards to the Patty Hearst/Weather Underground saga. An English professor in college was involved with an off-off broadway comedy that was about to open during that period. The plot? A privileged rich heiress is kidnapped by revolutionaries and subsequently becomes one. When the Patty Hearst thing happened, the show was cancelled and never even made it to the stage. In another example, I’m aware of a novel that came out before the Hearst kidnapping that had as its plot basically the exact same scenario. As I remember being told, the author was investigated by the FBI because they were absolutely certain that it could not be a coincidence. But it was. Wierd shit like this happens around events like these. What to make of it? Perhaps these are unconscious magick workings by the artists who are unaware of the morphic resonances they’re conjuring? Or they just somehow happened to pick up a bit of something in the air? Or maybe it’s simply that certain artists and fiction writers share similarities of thought with intelligence operation planners?

Coincidance?
Who the fuh knows?

I like how we have to hear about the details of the raids and shit through Newsday’s coverage of an NYPD press conference. And now it’s homemade shit not military C4.

And what about the plane that went down over Queens or someshit like 2 days after 9/11…

No one ever talks about that one.

Anyway,

I gotta go outside.

-tc

-tc

LIHOP: let it happen on purpose