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	<title>Comments on: Myths of Masonry, Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Rubin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Rubin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Anyway, to me, all this stuff just sounds gnostic to me, and quite compatible with Christianity (if not closer to the original intention of it). But what do I know?&lt;/i&gt;

You know quite a bit;P It's quite like the Gospel of Philip, isn't it?&lt;blockquote&gt;People who say they will first die and then arise are mistaken. If they do not first receive resurrection while they are alive, once they have died they will receive nothing&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Anyway, to me, all this stuff just sounds gnostic to me, and quite compatible with Christianity (if not closer to the original intention of it). But what do I know?</i></p>
<p>You know quite a bit;P It&#8217;s quite like the Gospel of Philip, isn&#8217;t it?<br />
<blockquote>People who say they will first die and then arise are mistaken. If they do not first receive resurrection while they are alive, once they have died they will receive nothing</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Nicq MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicq MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alistair: Indeed, and most of the divinity students I've known would agree that working towards a christlike state is the whole idea behind being a Christian (though most would draw the line at "becoming a Christ", with some exceptions).

It's interesting to note the differing attitudes I've seen towards occultism and mysticism from Christians in different denominations over the years.  The most outright anti-occultism I've seen has tended to come from the same denominations that seem to breed the most occultists- fundamentalists (esp. Southern Baptists) and Catholics.  Of course, as for the ones who do become occultists, their attitudes tend to be different- the fundies often get involved out of childish rebellion, and then later repent and frequently attack people for their involvements in evil, ungodly magic, whereas occult-positive Catholics tend to come at it from the perspective that occult matters are sciences: knowledge that can be applied to a godly or ungodly end.  Catholics and esoteric magic have a long and shady relationship; while you'll find plenty of priests who condemn the practices, and others who merely think that the occult is harmless baloney, there are still catholic hermetics and cabalists here and there... (Valentin Tomberg is probably the most famous example from the last century)

Lutherans seem, in general, to be utterly indifferent to the whole affair (though there are exceptions)... most midwestern Lutherans just think occultism is a silly head-trip, only really dangerous in the same way as alcoholism or videogames- it can become an obsession and addiction that keeps you from being a productive member of society.  This is especially amusing given that the Rosicrucian tradition is an outgrowth of Lutheranism, and one that most Lutherans, even ones well studied in theology, seem strangely ignorant of.

I've met occultists through unitarian churches- but whether unitarians are really to be considered "Christian" or not is debatable.

I don't know enough about Eastern Orthodox to really know, though I've heard people mention on various forums that they know Orthodox clergy who practice forms of cabalism and esotericism... it wouldn't be shocking, anyhow, especially given that the Orthodoxies are some of the most mystical branches of Christianity to begin with...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alistair: Indeed, and most of the divinity students I&#8217;ve known would agree that working towards a christlike state is the whole idea behind being a Christian (though most would draw the line at &#8220;becoming a Christ&#8221;, with some exceptions).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note the differing attitudes I&#8217;ve seen towards occultism and mysticism from Christians in different denominations over the years.  The most outright anti-occultism I&#8217;ve seen has tended to come from the same denominations that seem to breed the most occultists- fundamentalists (esp. Southern Baptists) and Catholics.  Of course, as for the ones who do become occultists, their attitudes tend to be different- the fundies often get involved out of childish rebellion, and then later repent and frequently attack people for their involvements in evil, ungodly magic, whereas occult-positive Catholics tend to come at it from the perspective that occult matters are sciences: knowledge that can be applied to a godly or ungodly end.  Catholics and esoteric magic have a long and shady relationship; while you&#8217;ll find plenty of priests who condemn the practices, and others who merely think that the occult is harmless baloney, there are still catholic hermetics and cabalists here and there&#8230; (Valentin Tomberg is probably the most famous example from the last century)</p>
<p>Lutherans seem, in general, to be utterly indifferent to the whole affair (though there are exceptions)&#8230; most midwestern Lutherans just think occultism is a silly head-trip, only really dangerous in the same way as alcoholism or videogames- it can become an obsession and addiction that keeps you from being a productive member of society.  This is especially amusing given that the Rosicrucian tradition is an outgrowth of Lutheranism, and one that most Lutherans, even ones well studied in theology, seem strangely ignorant of.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met occultists through unitarian churches- but whether unitarians are really to be considered &#8220;Christian&#8221; or not is debatable.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about Eastern Orthodox to really know, though I&#8217;ve heard people mention on various forums that they know Orthodox clergy who practice forms of cabalism and esotericism&#8230; it wouldn&#8217;t be shocking, anyhow, especially given that the Orthodoxies are some of the most mystical branches of Christianity to begin with&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I think it is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I think it is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in my divinity studies and in reading the words of christ himself, i believe we are being asked to work towards a christlike state whereby we can perform miracles such as having a happy life, loving each other and being prosperous in our work. is that a heresy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my divinity studies and in reading the words of christ himself, i believe we are being asked to work towards a christlike state whereby we can perform miracles such as having a happy life, loving each other and being prosperous in our work. is that a heresy?</p>
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