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		<title>By: Pop Occulture  &#187; I See Monsters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pop Occulture  &#187; I See Monsters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    	 		 	 		 			I See Monsters 	 			 					That dream I had the other night with the kelpies and mermaids has got me doing a lot of reading and thinking on the topic of m [...]</description>
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<p> 			I See Monsters</p>
<p> 					That dream I had the other night with the kelpies and mermaids has got me doing a lot of reading and thinking on the topic of m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, kelpies was my guess as well. There's a book called &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/080506270X/timbouchercom-20" rel="nofollow"&gt;A Field Guide to Demons&lt;/a&gt; that has a reproduction of a 4th century roman design of a seahorse under it's entry for kelpie that looks suspiciously like what I saw. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, kelpies was my guess as well. There&#8217;s a book called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/080506270X/timbouchercom-20" rel="nofollow">A Field Guide to Demons</a> that has a reproduction of a 4th century roman design of a seahorse under it&#8217;s entry for kelpie that looks suspiciously like what I saw.</p>
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		<title>By: Haeresis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haeresis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Kelpies.</description>
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		<title>By: Darkshadow</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/11/water-spirits/comment-page-1/#comment-5838</link>
		<dc:creator>Darkshadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 06:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, searched around, and only came up with one interesting link.  None of the stuff here really matches your dream (and it's mostly the same sort of stuff on the pages you already linked to), but it's an interesting read.  Thought I'd post it up for that, at least.

&lt;a href="http://www.traditionsmagazine.com/features/waterhorse.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Water Horses and Other Fairy Steeds&lt;/a&gt;

Here's a small quote from the beginning - I really liked it:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In such popular stories like that of Tam Lin or of Niamh and OisÃ­n, the fairy steed is depicted as a means of conveyance between the world of mortals and that of the otherworld. The otherworld is a spiritual realm that remains just outside of the known world and lurks hidden within the mists, just beyond the shadows, beneath the water, or amongst the clouds â€“ beyond the boundaries of the human touch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But as I said, it's more of that it was an interesting article that I decided to post it than I think it pertains to your dream.

You know, that's a pretty powerful dream.  You've got the sea, which can represent the unknown or the unconscious mind.  There's a storm, a bad one, which represents chaos or raw power or strong (mixed?) emotion.  You're on a beach - a meeting of two different spheres.  The unconscious mind and conscious mind together, meeting in some way.

You have family there, but they don't seem to see what you see.  Could be that you feel different than the rest of your family, or that you've outgrown them in some way.  Or maybe you feel you have a better connection to esoteric things.  These're just a generalization there - I'm just going on what stuff could be, so don't bite my head off if I'm way off base. ;)  (Family can be such a touchy matter.)

There's also other people, but I can't really say what they may symbolize.  That would depend on a few things - are they people you know?  Did you feel any sort of connection to them?

Then there's the horse-like things.  I can't really give a good read on those either.  Were they riding the storm?  Did they seem to be bringing it in, or out running it?  Also, they were white, but you also got a bad feeling from them, which in color terms would be grayish or black, depending on how bad the feeling was.

You were reluctant to go near them, and then they transitioned into a different form - a more malevolent form.  When you usually think of mermaids, are they anything like the ones from your dream?

Get back on some of that, and I'll try to dig in deeper if you wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, searched around, and only came up with one interesting link.  None of the stuff here really matches your dream (and it&#8217;s mostly the same sort of stuff on the pages you already linked to), but it&#8217;s an interesting read.  Thought I&#8217;d post it up for that, at least.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.traditionsmagazine.com/features/waterhorse.html" rel="nofollow">Water Horses and Other Fairy Steeds</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a small quote from the beginning - I really liked it:</p>
<blockquote><p>In such popular stories like that of Tam Lin or of Niamh and OisÃ­n, the fairy steed is depicted as a means of conveyance between the world of mortals and that of the otherworld. The otherworld is a spiritual realm that remains just outside of the known world and lurks hidden within the mists, just beyond the shadows, beneath the water, or amongst the clouds â€“ beyond the boundaries of the human touch.</p></blockquote>
<p>But as I said, it&#8217;s more of that it was an interesting article that I decided to post it than I think it pertains to your dream.</p>
<p>You know, that&#8217;s a pretty powerful dream.  You&#8217;ve got the sea, which can represent the unknown or the unconscious mind.  There&#8217;s a storm, a bad one, which represents chaos or raw power or strong (mixed?) emotion.  You&#8217;re on a beach - a meeting of two different spheres.  The unconscious mind and conscious mind together, meeting in some way.</p>
<p>You have family there, but they don&#8217;t seem to see what you see.  Could be that you feel different than the rest of your family, or that you&#8217;ve outgrown them in some way.  Or maybe you feel you have a better connection to esoteric things.  These&#8217;re just a generalization there - I&#8217;m just going on what stuff could be, so don&#8217;t bite my head off if I&#8217;m way off base. <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  (Family can be such a touchy matter.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also other people, but I can&#8217;t really say what they may symbolize.  That would depend on a few things - are they people you know?  Did you feel any sort of connection to them?</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the horse-like things.  I can&#8217;t really give a good read on those either.  Were they riding the storm?  Did they seem to be bringing it in, or out running it?  Also, they were white, but you also got a bad feeling from them, which in color terms would be grayish or black, depending on how bad the feeling was.</p>
<p>You were reluctant to go near them, and then they transitioned into a different form - a more malevolent form.  When you usually think of mermaids, are they anything like the ones from your dream?</p>
<p>Get back on some of that, and I&#8217;ll try to dig in deeper if you wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald tyson is the author. haven't doen the rituals myself. funny reviews on amazon though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald tyson is the author. haven&#8217;t doen the rituals myself. funny reviews on amazon though.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a book called sexual alchemy where this guy tells you how to do these long complicated rituals that will bring you into contact with disincarnate entities for the purpose of sexual gratification. Seems like a lot of effort to go through to get off when you could just as easily hire a hooker. 

Anyway he warns that undines are particularly hypnotic and seductive and cautions restraint along teh lines of "it would be easy to get lost in their embrace and forget yourself and drown (metaphorically) in tehir charms and bugger off the real world in a way that would not be good for you"

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a book called sexual alchemy where this guy tells you how to do these long complicated rituals that will bring you into contact with disincarnate entities for the purpose of sexual gratification. Seems like a lot of effort to go through to get off when you could just as easily hire a hooker. </p>
<p>Anyway he warns that undines are particularly hypnotic and seductive and cautions restraint along teh lines of &#8220;it would be easy to get lost in their embrace and forget yourself and drown (metaphorically) in tehir charms and bugger off the real world in a way that would not be good for you&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah &lt;em&gt;undines&lt;/em&gt;, that's the term I had forgotten about. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah <em>undines</em>, that&#8217;s the term I had forgotten about. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Water elementals (undines) have a powerful magnetism. You can find good experiences and information at this page http://lava.net/~pagios/undine.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water elementals (undines) have a powerful magnetism. You can find good experiences and information at this page <a href="http://lava.net/~pagios/undine.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://lava.net/~pagios/undine.html'>http://lava.net/~pagios/undine.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Inanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of folks have been reporting dreams of water lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of folks have been reporting dreams of water lately.</p>
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		<title>By: sparkwidget</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparkwidget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death and sensuality are closely related in an archetypal sense!  Buddhism is the best living tradition to illuminate this.  Sensuality traps one in the everyday world, imprisoning one in their own hylicity and psychic mindset.  This is spiritual death, reversed by spiritual ressurection into the pneumatic life.

I have a lot of water and beach related dreams, myself. Just two nights ago, I had a dream where I was at a bar on a small rock island drinking margaritas. There was no motion in the water, it was calm and peaceful for miles in every direction. Rocks rose from the water in beautiful cliff faces in all directions, but the water never broke against their sides. It merely rested. The sky was orange and cloudy, like a beautiful sunset, and I never felt quite so peaceful. It was very, very vivid - and different from my normal dreams with water. There were no storms, no sea monsters, and no rocky beaches. Very odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Death and sensuality are closely related in an archetypal sense!  Buddhism is the best living tradition to illuminate this.  Sensuality traps one in the everyday world, imprisoning one in their own hylicity and psychic mindset.  This is spiritual death, reversed by spiritual ressurection into the pneumatic life.</p>
<p>I have a lot of water and beach related dreams, myself. Just two nights ago, I had a dream where I was at a bar on a small rock island drinking margaritas. There was no motion in the water, it was calm and peaceful for miles in every direction. Rocks rose from the water in beautiful cliff faces in all directions, but the water never broke against their sides. It merely rested. The sky was orange and cloudy, like a beautiful sunset, and I never felt quite so peaceful. It was very, very vivid - and different from my normal dreams with water. There were no storms, no sea monsters, and no rocky beaches. Very odd.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on my readings, it seems that sexual magnetism is one of the main traits of a lot of the water spirits in folklore. Which makes sense in light of tarot and other element interpretations which equate water with emotion and sex. The other half of the water spirit equation seems to generally be death...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on my readings, it seems that sexual magnetism is one of the main traits of a lot of the water spirits in folklore. Which makes sense in light of tarot and other element interpretations which equate water with emotion and sex. The other half of the water spirit equation seems to generally be death&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sirens perhaps.</description>
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