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Harner on Spiritual Reality



This is an interesting excerpt from an interview with Michael Harner who has done extensive work with shamanism.

I might say something about spirits, because it’s a strange word to people. What is a spirit? In 1961, when I was with the Conibo Indians in eastern Peru in the Amazon, I was training using ayahuasca with a shaman, and we were working with the various nature spirits every night. I worked with the anaconda spirit, the black panther spirit, the fresh-water dolphin spirit, various tree spirits, and so on. They would come, we would see them, and so on. Then one night I got introduced to the outboard-motor spirit. And then the radio spirit and the airplane spirit. I came to realize that anything that you see in complete darkness or with your eyes closed is technically a spirit. That makes it sound like it’s just an image in the air, but shamans find out which spirits have power and which don’t. They discover what spirits can help in what ways. It’s very important to recognize that whatever you contact in nonordinary reality is technically a spirit. It’s a spiritual reality.

This seems like a pretty wild idea, that pretty much everything has a corresponding spirit, but that not all of these have power. Seems like people into chaos magick, who are trying to invest symbols and sigils with power might have an interesting time with this concept. Nevermind us ordinary folks who don’t normally think of office chairs of sticks of deodorant as having spiritual reality.







3 Reader Responses

  1. hebrides Says:

    In Shinto, too, they consider that even machines have a spirit.

  2. lyam Says:

    The obvious question is:

    Do things have spirits independant of the power projected by the individual?
    Or are the spirits merely projections of the individual onto his environment?

    And practically speaking, does it matter which is true? Does it change the outcome of any interaction with the ’spirit’?

    I did not think of this until now, but I suppose that an individual projection is is only as powerful as the individual content being projected, but a collective communal projection must be as powerful as the collective. Thus some spirits are more powerful than others. So a shaman is one who has through whatever means, gained the ability to communicate with the communal spirit and can thus guide the collective unconscious of the community.

    It seems so obvious when written down, but it sounds so empty. Well, hopefully something was communicated through those empty words. No, I’m not high, right now.

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