Comments on: Money & Spirituality: Back In Black http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:44:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: alistair http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6705 alistair Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:17:02 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/#comment-6705 do we allow money into the spiritual realm? logically speaking money is a symbol. how many other symbols are there in the spiritual realm? why would some symbols be allowed into the spiritual realm and not others? wouldn`t this realm be more accurately described as a moral realm? we have to sort out our relationship to money first before deciding on it`s divinity. personally i think money is inert. what you do with it and your methods for accumilation are what we are evaluating. do we allow money into the spiritual realm? logically speaking money is a symbol. how many other symbols are there in the spiritual realm? why would some symbols be allowed into the spiritual realm and not others? wouldn`t this realm be more accurately described as a moral realm? we have to sort out our relationship to money first before deciding on it`s divinity. personally i think money is inert. what you do with it and your methods for accumilation are what we are evaluating.

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6701 Tim Boucher Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:21:48 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/#comment-6701 Hm. Good question. Let me think about this some and come back to it. Hm. Good question. Let me think about this some and come back to it.

]]> By: bill m. http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6700 bill m. Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:57:46 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/#comment-6700 Oh yeah, the original point of this blog entry-- how does one 'allow' money into the spiritual realm? is it like praying for cash, or just realizing what symbolizes money in a spiritual system? what are different symbols for money and how does it figure into myth and religious stories? its so little discussed i have a hard time thinking of examples. (except of course jesus's statement about rich people getting into heaven). if that was even jesus . any help out there? Oh yeah, the original point of this blog entry– how does one ‘allow’ money into the spiritual realm? is it like praying for cash, or just realizing what symbolizes money in a spiritual system?
what are different symbols for money and how does it figure into myth and religious stories?
its so little discussed i have a hard time thinking of examples. (except of course jesus’s statement about rich people getting into heaven). if that was even jesus . any help out there?

]]> By: bill m. http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6699 bill m. Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:51:48 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/#comment-6699 I read recently that one reason that the US won the cold war is that we are a poker playing nation instead of a chess loving one like Russia. Poker utilizes many more real world aspects - bluffing, etc, and contains the curious possible outcome that the best hand need not win. I read recently that one reason that the US won the cold war is that we are a poker playing nation instead of a chess loving one like Russia. Poker utilizes many more real world aspects - bluffing, etc, and contains the curious possible outcome that the best hand need not win.

]]> By: alistair http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6676 alistair Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:03:43 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/#comment-6676 the cynic may suggest that the value in poker for the loser is a mechanism for masochistic pleasure. the traditional "poor me" game. which old school economist? galbraith? smith? i`m guessing, but there is some cynical truth in that observation. it would certainly give some insight into why people risk losing in poker if there is the opportunity to get a substantially better deal. i have always thought that a co-operative element could be included into the game of poker. an auction for a card posssibly, who will bid on my ace of diamonds? the cynic may suggest that the value in poker for the loser is a mechanism for masochistic pleasure. the traditional “poor me” game. which old school economist? galbraith? smith? i`m guessing, but there is some cynical truth in that observation. it would certainly give some insight into why people risk losing in poker if there is the opportunity to get a substantially better deal. i have always thought that a co-operative element could be included into the game of poker. an auction for a card posssibly, who will bid on my ace of diamonds?

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6672 Tim Boucher Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:55:04 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/#comment-6672 <blockquote>poker is a microcosm containing the pressures and dynamics of life condensed into a few hours of play at a table. it can teach many mechanisms useful in life.</blockquote> Yeah, that's precisely what I meant. That's a good point about the difference between it and the "real" marketplace being value. Which old school economist said that in an economic exchange, it's important for both parties to think they're getting the better deal?

poker is a microcosm containing the pressures and dynamics of life condensed into a few hours of play at a table. it can teach many mechanisms useful in life.

Yeah, that’s precisely what I meant. That’s a good point about the difference between it and the “real” marketplace being value. Which old school economist said that in an economic exchange, it’s important for both parties to think they’re getting the better deal?

]]> By: alistair http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6670 alistair Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:45:41 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/#comment-6670 it doesn`t matter whether you are selling weapon systems or votive candles or healing modalities, i you personally don`t believe in your abilities you will fail. there are plenty of people pushing crap that don`t miss a wink of sleep over it and conversely there are plenty of decent, capable people who who never get out of the blocks because of thier own beliefs. as george harrison said in the yellow submarine, "it`s all in the moind". i think he meant mind. it would make sense that way. but seriously. what you choose to believe becomes your reality. it`s the big cosmic aha! i think the difference between poker and the market place is that in the marketplace there is an actual exchange of value, whereas the game of poker creates losers. i don`t mean to be critical of people who play poker on a casual basis, but the government of canada is promoting gambling as a sexy, viable lifestyle and are directing thier ads at the young. if ever something brings out the reptile(archon) in people it is gambling. poker is a microcosm containing the pressures and dynamics of life condensed into a few hours of play at a table. it can teach many mechanisms useful in life. it`s unfortunate that there is a monitary aspect that can be highly destructive. it doesn`t matter whether you are selling weapon systems or votive candles or healing modalities, i you personally don`t believe in your abilities you will fail. there are plenty of people pushing crap that don`t miss a wink of sleep over it and conversely there are plenty of decent, capable people who who never get out of the blocks because of thier own beliefs. as george harrison said in the yellow submarine, “it`s all in the moind”. i think he meant mind. it would make sense that way.
but seriously. what you choose to believe becomes your reality. it`s the big cosmic aha!
i think the difference between poker and the market place is that in the marketplace there is an actual exchange of value, whereas the game of poker creates losers. i don`t mean to be critical of people who play poker on a casual basis, but the government of canada is promoting gambling as a sexy, viable lifestyle and are directing thier ads at the young. if ever something brings out the reptile(archon) in people it is gambling.
poker is a microcosm containing the pressures and dynamics of life condensed into a few hours of play at a table. it can teach many mechanisms useful in life. it`s unfortunate that there is a monitary aspect that can be highly destructive.

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6667 Tim Boucher Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:38:30 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/#comment-6667 actually, i think learning to play poker helped a lot. because i realized (1) nobody is forcing you to play the game and (2) the only way to win money is by taking it from somebody else at the table. it became suddenly so concrete! actually, i think learning to play poker helped a lot. because i realized (1) nobody is forcing you to play the game and (2) the only way to win money is by taking it from somebody else at the table. it became suddenly so concrete!

]]> By: Emerson http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6666 Emerson Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:28:57 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/09/30/money-spirituality-part-2/#comment-6666 I went through something fairly similar. Much like what you describe as well, once I really began examining my beliefs that wall fell apart almost instantly. I think part of it comes from not wanting to exploit people, or benefit from weakness in others. But, really, we're talking about adults dealing with adults. If a person is incapable of properly examining a situation or deal before entering into it, I'm not overflowing with pity. I went through something fairly similar. Much like what you describe as well, once I really began examining my beliefs that wall fell apart almost instantly. I think part of it comes from not wanting to exploit people, or benefit from weakness in others. But, really, we’re talking about adults dealing with adults. If a person is incapable of properly examining a situation or deal before entering into it, I’m not overflowing with pity.

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