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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best way to gauge the decline of High Times' quality is to find an old issue and compare it to the latest ones.

That works with pretty much ANY magazine, from SPIN to MAD...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to gauge the decline of High Times&#8217; quality is to find an old issue and compare it to the latest ones.</p>
<p>That works with pretty much ANY magazine, from SPIN to MAD&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MT wrote above about how High Times was co-opted by the System:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This tends to happen to any counter-cultural entity that achieves a modicum of success or popularity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't know that I necessarily agree with it, but I also think it might be worth pointing out that another thing that inevitably happens to counter-cultural institutions when they achieve popularity is that they become the target of all kinds of rumors and criticisms - some of them warranted and some of them not. Success often breeds discontent among those who catapulted something into that position.

Hell, I mean one time on a message board, somebody actually accused me of being a disinformation agent. As if disinfo agents had such awesome websites and writing styles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MT wrote above about how High Times was co-opted by the System:</p>
<blockquote><p>This tends to happen to any counter-cultural entity that achieves a modicum of success or popularity.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that I necessarily agree with it, but I also think it might be worth pointing out that another thing that inevitably happens to counter-cultural institutions when they achieve popularity is that they become the target of all kinds of rumors and criticisms - some of them warranted and some of them not. Success often breeds discontent among those who catapulted something into that position.</p>
<p>Hell, I mean one time on a message board, somebody actually accused me of being a disinformation agent. As if disinfo agents had such awesome websites and writing styles!</p>
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		<title>By: Rodger Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodger Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Header: The Ghost Growers Of The Angeles Forest
Sub-Head: Running Crops Among The Dead

By
Rodger Jacobs

â€œThereâ€™s nothing up there except dead bodies and plane crashes,â€ Benny muttered.

â€œMaybe you wouldnâ€™t know marijuana from manzanita. They obscure the shit, you know. They use dry brush and all kinds of other plant canopy to keep the gardens from being seen.â€

Weâ€™re sitting in the cramped kitchen of Bennyâ€™s modest apartment north of Sunset Boulevard, up the hill from Tower Records and from where Spagoâ€™s used to be. 

Itâ€™s a miserable, sweltering afternoon in July with temperatures hovering in the triple digits, the sort of heat that can cause oneâ€™s attitude to adjust to thoughts of homicide, which might explain my friendâ€™s taciturn complexion when I try to talk to him about the marijuana plantations that abound in his favorite hiking space.

Benny took another long pull from his cold bottle of Corona.

â€œDead bodies and plane crashes,â€ he repeated with grim finality.

â€œWhy do you hike in the Angeles? Wouldnâ€™t Griffith Park be safer?â€

Benny hiked his shoulders and drained the last of his beer. â€œI donâ€™t feel threatened up there. Besides, thereâ€™s more to do and see in the Angeles.â€ 

The 696,000 acres of lush pine forest and scrub oak that is the Angeles National Forest receives more than 3.9 million visitors a year. Thatâ€™s more visitors annually than any other unit of the national forest system. 

This urban mountain range â€“ hemmed in on all four sides by major earthquake faults â€“ is a favorite day-use forest for mountain bikers, hunters, fishermen, backpackers, off-road enthusiasts, rock climbers, bunjee jumpers, and, in the winter months, skiers and snowboarders.

Early Californians referred to the rugged Angeles Forest as â€œBandito Countryâ€. In the 1870s the infamous bandit and horse thief Tiburcio Vasquez holed up in the steep ravines and foreboding canyons and passes of the Angeles while maintaining clandestine pastures of stolen steeds.

The Angeles National Forest still is Bandito Country. 

Todayâ€™s outlaws arenâ€™t horse thieves, though. They are dope desperadoes who cultivate their holy herb under the cloak of darkness, working rich soil that is stained with blood and misery.

Breaker: The Dance Instructor In The Trunk

â€œCan you imagine any native Angeleno in his or her right mind who would go up in the Angeles Forest for four months and baby sit a crop of pot?â€ I asked Will.

Will is a director of â€œhigh-endâ€ adult videos. When the business is slow, as it has been in the last few months in reaction to the most recent AIDS scare, he supplements his income by selling weed to a handful of trusted friends. 

â€œThatâ€™s why they hire Mexican Nationals,â€ Will says. â€œThey donâ€™t know any goddamn difference.â€ 

If you scratch beneath its recreational surface, the Angeles National Forest is the exact antithesis of the Disneyland motto. It is The Scariest Place On Earth.

Los Angeles, with its graffiti-scarred palms and bullet-strewn walkways sits at the epicenter of manâ€™s enduring quest to achieve order from chaos. Yet it is in the nearby Angeles National Forest where manâ€™s primordial impulses are known to bubble to the surface with all the stark violence of a flash of lightning across a serene desert sky. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Header: The Ghost Growers Of The Angeles Forest<br />
Sub-Head: Running Crops Among The Dead</p>
<p>By<br />
Rodger Jacobs</p>
<p>â€œThereâ€™s nothing up there except dead bodies and plane crashes,â€ Benny muttered.</p>
<p>â€œMaybe you wouldnâ€™t know marijuana from manzanita. They obscure the shit, you know. They use dry brush and all kinds of other plant canopy to keep the gardens from being seen.â€</p>
<p>Weâ€™re sitting in the cramped kitchen of Bennyâ€™s modest apartment north of Sunset Boulevard, up the hill from Tower Records and from where Spagoâ€™s used to be. </p>
<p>Itâ€™s a miserable, sweltering afternoon in July with temperatures hovering in the triple digits, the sort of heat that can cause oneâ€™s attitude to adjust to thoughts of homicide, which might explain my friendâ€™s taciturn complexion when I try to talk to him about the marijuana plantations that abound in his favorite hiking space.</p>
<p>Benny took another long pull from his cold bottle of Corona.</p>
<p>â€œDead bodies and plane crashes,â€ he repeated with grim finality.</p>
<p>â€œWhy do you hike in the Angeles? Wouldnâ€™t Griffith Park be safer?â€</p>
<p>Benny hiked his shoulders and drained the last of his beer. â€œI donâ€™t feel threatened up there. Besides, thereâ€™s more to do and see in the Angeles.â€ </p>
<p>The 696,000 acres of lush pine forest and scrub oak that is the Angeles National Forest receives more than 3.9 million visitors a year. Thatâ€™s more visitors annually than any other unit of the national forest system. </p>
<p>This urban mountain range â€“ hemmed in on all four sides by major earthquake faults â€“ is a favorite day-use forest for mountain bikers, hunters, fishermen, backpackers, off-road enthusiasts, rock climbers, bunjee jumpers, and, in the winter months, skiers and snowboarders.</p>
<p>Early Californians referred to the rugged Angeles Forest as â€œBandito Countryâ€. In the 1870s the infamous bandit and horse thief Tiburcio Vasquez holed up in the steep ravines and foreboding canyons and passes of the Angeles while maintaining clandestine pastures of stolen steeds.</p>
<p>The Angeles National Forest still is Bandito Country. </p>
<p>Todayâ€™s outlaws arenâ€™t horse thieves, though. They are dope desperadoes who cultivate their holy herb under the cloak of darkness, working rich soil that is stained with blood and misery.</p>
<p>Breaker: The Dance Instructor In The Trunk</p>
<p>â€œCan you imagine any native Angeleno in his or her right mind who would go up in the Angeles Forest for four months and baby sit a crop of pot?â€ I asked Will.</p>
<p>Will is a director of â€œhigh-endâ€ adult videos. When the business is slow, as it has been in the last few months in reaction to the most recent AIDS scare, he supplements his income by selling weed to a handful of trusted friends. </p>
<p>â€œThatâ€™s why they hire Mexican Nationals,â€ Will says. â€œThey donâ€™t know any goddamn difference.â€ </p>
<p>If you scratch beneath its recreational surface, the Angeles National Forest is the exact antithesis of the Disneyland motto. It is The Scariest Place On Earth.</p>
<p>Los Angeles, with its graffiti-scarred palms and bullet-strewn walkways sits at the epicenter of manâ€™s enduring quest to achieve order from chaos. Yet it is in the nearby Angeles National Forest where manâ€™s primordial impulses are known to bubble to the surface with all the stark violence of a flash of lightning across a serene desert sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodger Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodger Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having had the nightmare experience of freelancing for High Times once I can tell you exactly why their circulation dropped: No editorial policy. The magazine has been struggling with its identity for years now and no two editors think alike on the story. 

They bought a pitch from me on the illegal growers in the Angeles Forest here in L.A. and they knew it was going to be a first-person journo feature with an emphasis on the odd nature of the Angeles Forest itself. 

Next I'll present the feature in its unfinished form before my editor, Annie Nocenti, bailed from the magazine and told me not to bother finishing it because "No one here will like it becauase it's not about marijuana enough." </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having had the nightmare experience of freelancing for High Times once I can tell you exactly why their circulation dropped: No editorial policy. The magazine has been struggling with its identity for years now and no two editors think alike on the story. </p>
<p>They bought a pitch from me on the illegal growers in the Angeles Forest here in L.A. and they knew it was going to be a first-person journo feature with an emphasis on the odd nature of the Angeles Forest itself. </p>
<p>Next I&#8217;ll present the feature in its unfinished form before my editor, Annie Nocenti, bailed from the magazine and told me not to bother finishing it because &#8220;No one here will like it becauase it&#8217;s not about marijuana enough.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking of cop operations we have a hydroponics equipmnent shop in town for growing really expensive tomatoes. i wonder if you get your mugshot taken at the counter when you buy a starter kit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking of cop operations we have a hydroponics equipmnent shop in town for growing really expensive tomatoes. i wonder if you get your mugshot taken at the counter when you buy a starter kit?</p>
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		<title>By: rev max</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/10/19/high-times-brand-study/comment-page-1/#comment-7070</link>
		<dc:creator>rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that just occurred to me, ITA covers international conventions and studios so even though they put hot chicks on their cover (they all do) there is a differnet vibe to the whole thing - they are less likely to run (for example) an 18 page tribute to 9/11 memorial tattoos accompanied by an editorial on how the US of A need sto kick some arab ass than some other magazines I could mention

SO right there it means they're aiming at a differnet audience, more appreciators of the art form and less "lifestyle tough guys" - also the phoptography is of a much consistently higher quality with less ads . SO thats the only one i subscribe to tough i rea dteh others occasionally

Tattooing is no longer the sole province of bikers, sailors &#38; punks but to read some of those other mags you'd never know it - not sure they realize it either but i look at some of the pictorials and editorials and think "well, if you were hoping to get more women minorities and educated people involved in tattooing yer not gonna do it this way!" - dripping with blue collar machismo and criminal angst is cool and all but also kind of living in the past

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that just occurred to me, ITA covers international conventions and studios so even though they put hot chicks on their cover (they all do) there is a differnet vibe to the whole thing - they are less likely to run (for example) an 18 page tribute to 9/11 memorial tattoos accompanied by an editorial on how the US of A need sto kick some arab ass than some other magazines I could mention</p>
<p>SO right there it means they&#8217;re aiming at a differnet audience, more appreciators of the art form and less &#8220;lifestyle tough guys&#8221; - also the phoptography is of a much consistently higher quality with less ads . SO thats the only one i subscribe to tough i rea dteh others occasionally</p>
<p>Tattooing is no longer the sole province of bikers, sailors &amp; punks but to read some of those other mags you&#8217;d never know it - not sure they realize it either but i look at some of the pictorials and editorials and think &#8220;well, if you were hoping to get more women minorities and educated people involved in tattooing yer not gonna do it this way!&#8221; - dripping with blue collar machismo and criminal angst is cool and all but also kind of living in the past</p>
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		<title>By: rev max</title>
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		<dc:creator>rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yeah, tattoo review is published by &lt;strong&gt;outlaw biker&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yeah, tattoo review is published by <strong>outlaw biker</strong></p>
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		<title>By: rev max</title>
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		<dc:creator>rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see

&lt;a href="http://www.internationaltattooart.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.internationaltattooart.com/&lt;/a&gt;

i read a lot of tattoo mags and &lt;strong&gt;ITA  &lt;/strong&gt;is head &#38; shoulders above the rest in terms of how they present and convey tattooing as an art foprm &#38; profession

&lt;a href="http://www.easyriders.com/magazine.aspx?INum=3128&#38;s4A=" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;tattoo&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; doesn't come close, its published by easyrider, so that tells you ther demographic, shitty newsprint paper, amateurish photography, idiotic band interviews

&lt;strong&gt;skin art&lt;/strong&gt; has improved a lot but they don't have a website yet (!)

&lt;strong&gt;tattoo revue&lt;/strong&gt;, same deal.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see</p>
<p><a href="http://www.internationaltattooart.com/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.internationaltattooart.com/'>http://www.internationaltattooart.com/</a></p>
<p>i read a lot of tattoo mags and <strong>ITA  </strong>is head &amp; shoulders above the rest in terms of how they present and convey tattooing as an art foprm &amp; profession</p>
<p><a href="http://www.easyriders.com/magazine.aspx?INum=3128&amp;s4A=" rel="nofollow"><strong>tattoo</strong></a> doesn&#8217;t come close, its published by easyrider, so that tells you ther demographic, shitty newsprint paper, amateurish photography, idiotic band interviews</p>
<p><strong>skin art</strong> has improved a lot but they don&#8217;t have a website yet (!)</p>
<p><strong>tattoo revue</strong>, same deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For example, tattooing has become much more of an upscale thing than it used to be so some tattoo magazines that have done well hired decent writers and photographers, started doing in depth interviews with thoughtful people and got rid of all the misogynistic humor and biker barbeque coverage&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's a really great point. Do you have any specific magazine titles in mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For example, tattooing has become much more of an upscale thing than it used to be so some tattoo magazines that have done well hired decent writers and photographers, started doing in depth interviews with thoughtful people and got rid of all the misogynistic humor and biker barbeque coverage</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a really great point. Do you have any specific magazine titles in mind?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I've never heard of &lt;a href="http://www.entheogenreview.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Entheogen Review&lt;/a&gt; - talk about a shitty title for a magazine though. Sounds so stodgy... and their website is certainly very uninviting. There must be some other magazines that approach this topic area. I'm kind of hard-pressed to find anything though. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;ve never heard of <a href="http://www.entheogenreview.com/" rel="nofollow">Entheogen Review</a> - talk about a shitty title for a magazine though. Sounds so stodgy&#8230; and their website is certainly very uninviting. There must be some other magazines that approach this topic area. I&#8217;m kind of hard-pressed to find anything though.</p>
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		<title>By: rev max</title>
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		<dc:creator>rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;An actual literary, adult-style pot magazine, say a classic Harpers type of thing that just happens to have a hallucinogens and alternative history/spirituality tie-in would make a killing, though, if anyone were to ever bother. Something without weed centerfolds for confused teenage pot heads to jerk off to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is that magazine Entheogen Review, a friend wanted to get me a subscription a few years back but i neve got around to taking 'em up on it

HT sounds like a magazine whose demographic has changed and they haven't figured out how to make the shift yet

For example, tattooing has become much more of an upscale thing than it used to be so some tattoo magazines that have done well hired decent writers and photographers, started doing in depth interviews with thoughtful people and got rid of all the misogynistic humor and biker barbeque coverage

rolling stone has changed, but is so un-hip its not funny. does anyone read it anymore at all, or is it strictly for dentists offices?

HT huh.. haven't read it in years. To me "pot culture" such as it is is just plain dumb, not boundary pushing at all. Yes dazed &#38; confused was mildly amusing, cypress hill was OK too, but sheesh... enough with the frat boy fuzzy dice blacklight poster crap, centerfolds of pot, its just plain silly

If yer gonna hgave centerfolds, make'em decent ones  at least, like mila jovovich or something, who wants to look at pot? i'd rather smoke it







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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>An actual literary, adult-style pot magazine, say a classic Harpers type of thing that just happens to have a hallucinogens and alternative history/spirituality tie-in would make a killing, though, if anyone were to ever bother. Something without weed centerfolds for confused teenage pot heads to jerk off to.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is that magazine Entheogen Review, a friend wanted to get me a subscription a few years back but i neve got around to taking &#8216;em up on it</p>
<p>HT sounds like a magazine whose demographic has changed and they haven&#8217;t figured out how to make the shift yet</p>
<p>For example, tattooing has become much more of an upscale thing than it used to be so some tattoo magazines that have done well hired decent writers and photographers, started doing in depth interviews with thoughtful people and got rid of all the misogynistic humor and biker barbeque coverage</p>
<p>rolling stone has changed, but is so un-hip its not funny. does anyone read it anymore at all, or is it strictly for dentists offices?</p>
<p>HT huh.. haven&#8217;t read it in years. To me &#8220;pot culture&#8221; such as it is is just plain dumb, not boundary pushing at all. Yes dazed &amp; confused was mildly amusing, cypress hill was OK too, but sheesh&#8230; enough with the frat boy fuzzy dice blacklight poster crap, centerfolds of pot, its just plain silly</p>
<p>If yer gonna hgave centerfolds, make&#8217;em decent ones  at least, like mila jovovich or something, who wants to look at pot? i&#8217;d rather smoke it</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! Yeah, I admit that I haven't seen as many issues from as many time periods to really have a solid history of their editorial style. I've kind of had to piece it together from items available to me at the moment. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;An actual literary, adult-style pot magazine, say a classic Harpers type of thing that just happens to have a hallucinogens and alternative history/spirituality tie-in would make a killing, though, if anyone were to ever bother. Something without weed centerfolds for confused teenage pot heads to jerk off to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised nobody's really following this avenue currently (that I know of). I think this is sort of what Daniel Pinchbeck might be working on with Metacine/Evolver or whatever it's called now... but I think it's got a bit more of a New-New Age style to it - at least from what I've heard. It hasn't come out yet. In general though, I'm really not sure why all the really alternative types of magazines are still so small. I think the market for this stuff is really just beginning to explode at the moment, and it's only going to get bigger. Lots of ways for people to really take advantage of it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Yeah, I admit that I haven&#8217;t seen as many issues from as many time periods to really have a solid history of their editorial style. I&#8217;ve kind of had to piece it together from items available to me at the moment. </p>
<blockquote><p>An actual literary, adult-style pot magazine, say a classic Harpers type of thing that just happens to have a hallucinogens and alternative history/spirituality tie-in would make a killing, though, if anyone were to ever bother. Something without weed centerfolds for confused teenage pot heads to jerk off to.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m pretty surprised nobody&#8217;s really following this avenue currently (that I know of). I think this is sort of what Daniel Pinchbeck might be working on with Metacine/Evolver or whatever it&#8217;s called now&#8230; but I think it&#8217;s got a bit more of a New-New Age style to it - at least from what I&#8217;ve heard. It hasn&#8217;t come out yet. In general though, I&#8217;m really not sure why all the really alternative types of magazines are still so small. I think the market for this stuff is really just beginning to explode at the moment, and it&#8217;s only going to get bigger. Lots of ways for people to really take advantage of it.</p>
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		<title>By: hebrides</title>
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		<dc:creator>hebrides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had an ex-roommate who worked for HT for about six months right before the Mailer transitions occurred and he's still friendly with a few people over there.  Anywho, I had an opportunity to flip through the thing both while he worked there and for awhile after he didn't and I don't think you quite have the right picture of the content of the magazine, at least from 2003-2004.  I read plenty of pop-occulture related stuff in that time span...articles by Alex Constantine related to Aleister Crowley and his ties to the intelligence community, stuff about mysticism and hallucinogens, etc.  The problem at least at that time is that for all that good stuff there was plenty of stupid shit like Maxim-esque blurbs about how Snoop or Ozzie were traitors for badmouthing pot, plus the retarded weed centerfolds.  After John Buffalo took over, most of the mystical and conspiracy-related stuff was out, but overall the content was much better and more consistent in regards to political reporting and investigative pieces.  Unfortunately, the design and layout of the magazine at the time he took over was so incompetent and boring that you couldn't read the masthead on the cover half-the-time (because it was in dull colors that didn't read or catch the eye at a distance, for example) and the inner layout made your eyes bleed (and not in a smoking doobies way).  But that's just my take.
     An actual literary, adult-style pot magazine, say a classic Harpers type of thing that just happens to have a hallucinogens and alternative history/spirituality tie-in would make a killing, though, if anyone were to ever bother.  Something without weed centerfolds for confused teenage pot heads to jerk off to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had an ex-roommate who worked for HT for about six months right before the Mailer transitions occurred and he&#8217;s still friendly with a few people over there.  Anywho, I had an opportunity to flip through the thing both while he worked there and for awhile after he didn&#8217;t and I don&#8217;t think you quite have the right picture of the content of the magazine, at least from 2003-2004.  I read plenty of pop-occulture related stuff in that time span&#8230;articles by Alex Constantine related to Aleister Crowley and his ties to the intelligence community, stuff about mysticism and hallucinogens, etc.  The problem at least at that time is that for all that good stuff there was plenty of stupid shit like Maxim-esque blurbs about how Snoop or Ozzie were traitors for badmouthing pot, plus the retarded weed centerfolds.  After John Buffalo took over, most of the mystical and conspiracy-related stuff was out, but overall the content was much better and more consistent in regards to political reporting and investigative pieces.  Unfortunately, the design and layout of the magazine at the time he took over was so incompetent and boring that you couldn&#8217;t read the masthead on the cover half-the-time (because it was in dull colors that didn&#8217;t read or catch the eye at a distance, for example) and the inner layout made your eyes bleed (and not in a smoking doobies way).  But that&#8217;s just my take.<br />
     An actual literary, adult-style pot magazine, say a classic Harpers type of thing that just happens to have a hallucinogens and alternative history/spirituality tie-in would make a killing, though, if anyone were to ever bother.  Something without weed centerfolds for confused teenage pot heads to jerk off to.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, that's funny. Maybe I just don't know enough potheads. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, that&#8217;s funny. Maybe I just don&#8217;t know enough potheads.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"and typically really smart. " Yeah ... I know a good too many potheads that aren't fitting into this category. I surely wouldn't combine the two. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and typically really smart. &#8221; Yeah &#8230; I know a good too many potheads that aren&#8217;t fitting into this category. I surely wouldn&#8217;t combine the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/10/19/high-times-brand-study/comment-page-1/#comment-7054</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this bit from one of those Cannabis Culture links was worth posting here, in relation to internet rumors, etc:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Enemies of Emery, including some of his business competitors in the marijuana seed sales industry, are spreading information designed to frighten his customers into believing that they could be raided if they ordered seeds from Emery since the beginning of 2004, when DEA says the investigation into his seed sales began.

It's hard to tell how reliable these reports are. The DEA itself has been known to lie, and it might surprise people to know that the seed business is seedy, with lots of backstabbing that has often involved sleazy spammers placing false negative postings on the Internet about Marc Emery in order to harm his business and activism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4468.html

Not saying I know how it all went down one way or another, but I imagine it's all much more complicated than it seems at first glance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this bit from one of those Cannabis Culture links was worth posting here, in relation to internet rumors, etc:</p>
<blockquote><p>Enemies of Emery, including some of his business competitors in the marijuana seed sales industry, are spreading information designed to frighten his customers into believing that they could be raided if they ordered seeds from Emery since the beginning of 2004, when DEA says the investigation into his seed sales began.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to tell how reliable these reports are. The DEA itself has been known to lie, and it might surprise people to know that the seed business is seedy, with lots of backstabbing that has often involved sleazy spammers placing false negative postings on the Internet about Marc Emery in order to harm his business and activism.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4468.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4468.html'>http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4468.html</a></p>
<p>Not saying I know how it all went down one way or another, but I imagine it&#8217;s all much more complicated than it seems at first glance.</p>
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		<title>By: carlos</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/10/19/high-times-brand-study/comment-page-1/#comment-7051</link>
		<dc:creator>carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but good branding advice regardless. only an idiot would buy that shit by mail order.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This tends to happen to any counter-cultural entity that achieves a modicum of success or popularity. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

but not pop occulture, right tim? unless it's equally idiotic to talk shit all over the web.

wait a minute, someone's at the door...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but good branding advice regardless. only an idiot would buy that shit by mail order.</p>
<blockquote><p>This tends to happen to any counter-cultural entity that achieves a modicum of success or popularity. </p></blockquote>
<p>but not pop occulture, right tim? unless it&#8217;s equally idiotic to talk shit all over the web.</p>
<p>wait a minute, someone&#8217;s at the door&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Conlon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Conlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Marc Emery got taken down -- they call it the BC3 -- basically the DEA (according to them) forced Canada to press major charges on a few people for selling seeds. 

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4468.html

Also, HT readers were the subject of another putsch, operation Green Merchant.

http://cannabisculture.ca/articles/4557.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Marc Emery got taken down &#8212; they call it the BC3 &#8212; basically the DEA (according to them) forced Canada to press major charges on a few people for selling seeds. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4468.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4468.html'>http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4468.html</a></p>
<p>Also, HT readers were the subject of another putsch, operation Green Merchant.</p>
<p><a href="http://cannabisculture.ca/articles/4557.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://cannabisculture.ca/articles/4557.html'>http://cannabisculture.ca/articles/4557.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: The MT</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/10/19/high-times-brand-study/comment-page-1/#comment-7049</link>
		<dc:creator>The MT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You completely missed the real reason why real stoners dropped High Times: they started running fake classified ads for pot seeds, mushroom spores etc. that were trolls by the feds. Anyoine who answered those ads was investigated, and a lot of people were arrested and pressured to roll over on their dealer friends. High Times completely ruined their credibility by refusing to reject those fake ads, jeapordizing their entire readership. The bottom line: they've been co-opted by The System into a weapon in the "War on Drugs", and didn't even try to resist.

This tends to happen to any counter-cultural entity that achieves a modicum of success or popularity. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You completely missed the real reason why real stoners dropped High Times: they started running fake classified ads for pot seeds, mushroom spores etc. that were trolls by the feds. Anyoine who answered those ads was investigated, and a lot of people were arrested and pressured to roll over on their dealer friends. High Times completely ruined their credibility by refusing to reject those fake ads, jeapordizing their entire readership. The bottom line: they&#8217;ve been co-opted by The System into a weapon in the &#8220;War on Drugs&#8221;, and didn&#8217;t even try to resist.</p>
<p>This tends to happen to any counter-cultural entity that achieves a modicum of success or popularity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ktulu</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/10/19/high-times-brand-study/comment-page-1/#comment-7046</link>
		<dc:creator>Ktulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talking about pot reminded me of an interesting thing I read on Rense.

http://www.rense.com/general68/potlike.htm

Apparently there's a drug that uses high concentrations of chemicals found in cannabis (appropriately named cannabinoids, 1 and 2).  This drug actually STIMULATES neuron growth, in the process known has neurogenesis.

Anyways, it's a good read and very interesting stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talking about pot reminded me of an interesting thing I read on Rense.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rense.com/general68/potlike.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.rense.com/general68/potlike.htm'>http://www.rense.com/general68/potlike.htm</a></p>
<p>Apparently there&#8217;s a drug that uses high concentrations of chemicals found in cannabis (appropriately named cannabinoids, 1 and 2).  This drug actually STIMULATES neuron growth, in the process known has neurogenesis.</p>
<p>Anyways, it&#8217;s a good read and very interesting stuff.</p>
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