It’s like if some senator were to promote segregation and go up against civil rights, while having an affair with a black girl the whole time… oh, wait, that DID happen, with Strom Thurmond, the same guy who sold John Lennon out to the Feds…

Yeah, this is real boring stuff, I tells ya…

oh and by the way, what do you prize most?

Let me tell you, negative, self-destructive programming is very, very, very hard to deal with. Especially when it is the basis of one’s identity and reality, and thus prized above almost everything else.

Once again, a matter of taste. I thought his paintings were boring, and so did most of the artists in Austria during those years.

When Hitler became Der Fuhrer, he organized an exhibit of “entarte kunst” or “degenerate art”. He corralled all the artists and works he found deplorable and put them on display, with vicious captions scribbled underneath by SS officers. Some of the works were even vandalized. In a way, it was an artistic “ghetto” prefiguring the horrific concentration camps at Dachau and Auschwitz.

Now: Knowing what an insufferable prick Picasso was in his own life, imagine if he had had become Generalissimo of Spain. Or how about fascist-loving Salvador Dali? The line between artists and politicians is a fine one indeed.

Aw, man, how can you say this stuff BORING?

Go to Amazon.com, search for Libby’s book, and read some of those customer reviews… This is a fucking riot. And a favorable review of the book points out that The New York Times gave the book a good review also!

Maybe that might shed some light on Libby’s cryptic mash letter to Judith Miller…

Maybe it’s boring to you because you’re not looking at it in the right light. Having a sense of humor about it helps… not that you don’t have a sense of humor, Tim… it’s just that all of this would be terribly depressing if it weren’t for the high-minded sanctimonious BS these people try to pawn off on us day by day…

And it confirms what I’ve always felt about failed-artists-turned-politicians: if they can’t create, they would rather destroy. Just look at Adolph Schickelgruber, an Austrian painter who later became the leader of Germany during WWII…

And it’s so easy to lump them in with Luciferian baby killers, especially when you read little news bits like this:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarti...Z_01_SCH782084_RTRUKOC_0_US-LIBBY.xml

I wonder if Scooper ever got the invite to the Grove?

Also: What did anyone think of Harry Shearer’s “The Teddy Bear’s Picnic”? Has anyone even seen it? I think it’s fucking hysterical, but some might find it… boring.

this isn’t directed to anyone in particular, it just strikes me as kinda funny, the reaction this post is getting.

The main gist of your post is that it’s boring. But I don’t think it’s boring, nor do I feel like I’m filling my head with negative junk.

Good. I’m really just trying to articulate my own perspective, rather than say that it’s gotta be the same for everybody.

Now I have to ask: does it really bore you that much? I think that if it really did, you wouldn’t have posted about it at all.

Yeah, it does bore me. Certain aspects of it I’m finding very tedious and tiresome. And yet the sort of “mythic core” of the thing still interests me. I’m trying to figure out what changed. Is it me? Is it the theories? Is it the people? How do I take the things out of it that are still worth something to me? That’s what I’m trying to figure out.

in my post linked above, i sort of talk about how we’re really in a state of cultural suspended animation. that our unwillingness to face the perils of adulthood, and the threats of the adult world has left us in a perpetualy emotional adolescence.

it’s only natural in situations like that, that we would as a culture sexually fetishise children to rationalise our biology with our psychology. the harder we repress age and adulthood, the more the child becomes a magnet for our twisted shadow desires.

pretty much every area shows this distortion. our politics, our art, our vocabulary, our sexuality and emotionality, all infantile.

The main gist of your post is that it’s boring. But I don’t think it’s boring, nor do I feel like I’m filling my head with negative junk. If anything, a theory like the ones that surround Bohemian Grove or the Franklin Cover-up is just one of many theories that helps explain (1) the epidemic of child sex abuse, not just in America but around the world, which is very real, CT or not; and (2) the blatant hypocrisy of uber-Christians with politcal agendas, such as the Bushes.

Back in the days when my only CT passion was JFK’s assassination, I noticed through my own experience that something was gravely wrong with this country and its attitude towards youth. Decades before Britney Spears had 2-year old girls bumping and grinding, I always sensed this underlying dread around me having to do with the impulse to rush women through the maturation process.

CTs like the ones you speak of are more like pacifiers to me: rather than fuel a fire, they calm me down. They help me to relax and understand that there IS a reason why I hate these fucking Republican Born-Agains so much. Whether any of it is true or not, the mere existence of a CT confirms my fears… and in the process reduces them to their proper size. I mean, even if it was true, what can I do about it, right?

The only thing I can do is keep aware of it, that’s all. I was aware of this sickening trend way before I ever got into CTs about such things, so I think it’s something I would feel or think no matter what.

But boring is a matter of taste. Not everything on this page is comment-worthy to me, but you spread the jam thick enough so that everyone can take a bite out of it. In other words, your blog functions in the same way as those CTs. Is it no wonder that, after a short absence from commenting, THIS is the post that brought me back into it? I didn’t ask you to post what you did, but you can’t spend all your time posting about gnosticism, can you? A little variety is always welcome.

Now I have to ask: does it really bore you that much? I think that if it really did, you wouldn’t have posted about it at all.

http://goldenbraid.blogspot.com/2005/11/now-we-know-who-i-am.html

” Most people seem to take one of two approaches to the question of evil. Either you have the quavering deer in headlights approach where you neither understand the problem nor equip yourself to deal with it, or you have the dismissive postmodernist skeptic who deconstructs the problem till it carries no urgency, and no real meaning. Just sick people, just stupid people, just the way things are. Crippled by hysteria or blinded by reason. In either case you’ve allowed no real room for yourself to grow. You’re either a deer, or you’re a product of impersonal forces. “

The ability to do damage is not greatness.

The problem with being a superhero: real villians are just not worthy. And that goes for superheros whose highest power is the ability to enjoy watching a sunset or to read a book to a child.

This deserves a nice old-fashioned Google-Earthing.

Ooh! great point. I’ll look into it. I’m sure we can find it.

I totally expected scarier pictures from the grove. Like, actual skeletons maybe. But noooo, just an owl and an effigy.

Any idea the address of this place? This deserves a nice old-fashioned Google-Earthing.

If you’re going to focus on conspiracy theories, DONT get satisfied with just reading and “knowing the truth”. If you really do know something, or if you’ve analyzed facts and made logical deductions that fall outside the “accepted theories or reasons”, then you should dedicate yourself to showing other people, and helping them understand the discrepencies. In the end, what those people do with your help is entirely up to them, but you should at least feel satisfied with knowing that you tried to “open up their eyes”, or “lift their face out of the grass”.

If you’re not going to focus on conspiracy theories, GREAT! I agree that it’s just a trap, a faux-pas end-all. The ability to think outside the box, and see “official stories” for what they are, is a great skill, a great expansion of logical methods, but it is just that, a skill, a method, NOT enlightenment. Enlightenment is a way of life, enlightenment is action.

Or to add another metaphor, you’re just a student learning how to theoretically build buildings, until you actually go out and master the knowledge you’ve theoretically learned. Once you can solve complex problems, overcome challenges of space, time, and physics, and create not just stable buildings, but aesthtic (sp) buildings, too, then you are truly a genious of architecture, an enlightened engineer. Bringing that back to conspiracy theories, you’re just a student until you actually do something with your theoretical knowledge. If you truly want to be enlightened, you should try to change the stone cold truth alistair pointed out:

those in power are amoral, apolitical and detached from just about any other value other that that which preserves thier claim to power.

If we can actually create power systems in which leaders are responsible, are held responsible by the people, and actually serve the people, then the “conspiracy student” will have become the political master. If one’s goal is not to help people with your supposed enlightened knowledge, then you are no better than a college student wasting his/her parents money, while partying and failing out of college.

I believe conspiracy theories are a powerful step, and a definite mind-fuck (kinda like if you stand up too quickly and run up the stairs, your head gets real thin and loopy), but if you just stop at that step, you’ve failed, and the archons have control over you once again.

those in power are amoral, apolitical and detached from just about any other value other that that which preserves thier claim to power. all of the beautiful theories about reptilians and angel races serve to hold our attention on things that, as my father used to say, are none of our business.

Extremely well said.

yeah until your kids get sacrified by dick cheney to a giant, boring owl-god . . . .

Yeah, I know. Man, if I was gonna make a giant owl for us all to worship and sacrifice under, I would make it the most horrible terrifying thing you’ve ever seen. You’d be so scared by it that you’d actually just kill yourself. It wouldn’t be just some crappy rock that doesn’t look like anything.

It might even be a stronger spell to be under than the one where you are just completely oblivious to their doings. It’s like how Frodo, when he puts on the Ring, he can feel Sauron looking for him, searching for him. He sees the One Burning Eye gazing back at him. He can see the Ring Wraiths as they really are, instead of just the hooded shadows they appear in the day world. And because of that, he becomes paralyzed, weighed down by being exposed to the glamour of their evil.

Maybe that’s why neither Gandalf or the elves would take up the Ring themselves, because they knew what would happen if they entered that world.

not to settle down and start a family in the little nowhere-town.

When you put it like that though, that kind of sounds really appealing. That’s kind of a fantasy of mine, disappearing to some little town, and that being that.

http://www.snant.com/fp/archives/gnosticism-the-ultimate-conspiracy-theory/

you’re supposed to *move past,* go further, dig deeper and keep striving. that point, for me and lots of people, is when you realize how stale and repetitive it is. it’s like when you take a long bus ride– you get off and stretch your legs in some backwater burg that seems really great compared to the bus, but you’re supposed to get back on the bus and keep going, not to settle down and start a family in the little nowhere-town.

the whole ‘dark politics’ conspiracy theory thing looks more and more to me like mouse-bait set by the archons to trap people who otherwise might attain enlightenment or self-knoweldge.

I guess for Ktulu, my main question would be: does sitting up all night reading about satanic paedophile rings really actually “help” anybody? I feel like on one level an obsession with it can easily become a sort of masochistic titillation, rather than a real quest for the truth. What if none of this is “true”? What if the most important truths you’ll ever find aren’t somewhere outside Plato’s Cave, but right here inside of you all along?

Another part of me wonders if it wouldn’t be more helpful to go and help your neighbor unload her groceries from the car than spend your time chasing mind-fucks.

Almost nobody takes that second step though and crafts a conspiracy to make themselves satisfied and fulfilled.

Maybe I’m missing something here, but why would one “Craft a conspiracy to make themselves satisfied and fulfilled”? It seems almost anti-gnostic to me. To use the cave metaphor, it’s like discovering your “divine spark”, and instead of trying to leave the cave to explore, you just stay in the cave and play with the new light you’ve discovered. In the end, you just play in to the hands of those in power, the archons, what have you.

By creating your own “conspiracies to make yourself satisfied and fulfilled”, you never reach any true satisfaction or fullfilment, IMO. You’ll always be creating new “conspiracies” to fill the gaps of your knowledge, and never actually learn anything, become any wiser, or take another step towards gnosis.

It’s like the hero myth (which is almost identical to Plato’s Cave Allegory). Once you begin to learn the truth, or “hear the call”, you have two choices: you can either choose to do something about it, or stay where you are. In these conspiracy theories you have two choices once “it gets boring” (hence you’ve heard the call, learned the part of the truth you were supposed to, etc). You can either choose to do something about it, to help those who are victims of these acts, to expose the truth, etc, or you can choose to play with your new-found mind-fucking tool, and do nothing for humanity. Because that’s really what all these conspiracy theories are, mind fucks. The question is, are you addicted to the mind fuck, or are you dedicated to using your experiences to help others. I guess thats the true separation between a whore and a saint (like Sophia, reincarnate as Helena), are you just looking for a way to loosen up ur mind, or a way to help people?

Once you realize that the world you perceive can change dramatically, and not only with drugs but with yoga and with various other types of exercises like hypno-tapes, audio tapes, neurolinguistic programming–there are all sorts of devices for changing you perceived world–once people realize that, they’ll realize if they are living in a sad and ugly world, well that’s because they got a sad and ugly program in their brain. And if they’re living in a happy cheerful world that’s because they programmed their brain properly.

You know the old slogan that goes back to the dawn age of computers when dinosaurs and Richard Nixon still roamed the earth, “GIGO: garbage in, garbage out.” Well if your getting garbage out that’s because the software in your brain consists mostly of garbage. You better replace it with more up-to-date software.

http://www.deepleafproductions.com/utopialibrary/text/raw-inter-utopia.html

I guess what I’m trying to say is that for most people, when they get involved in learning about the really dark conspiracy stuff, what they are doing is learning how to re-program their brains, disconnecting themselves from the ordinary consensus reality which they’ve been raised with. This is a good thing. But too many people stop there. They exchange one oppressive belief system with something darker and more overtly mythological, and miss the greater lesson of - “I’m in control of my brain and my perceptions. I changed them before by getting involved in this stuff, and I can change them again however I want.” Almost nobody takes that second step though and crafts a conspiracy to make themselves satisfied and fulfilled.

thats very much the opposite of what im doing. im not just sticking my fingers in my ears and saying nothings happening and that none of this stuff is real. that would be a mistake.

Isn’t it supposed to be empowering to know one’s enemies? Perhaps that power causes one to feel one’s powerlessness — a deeper understanding of what one can change and what one can’t. (Because there are things that fall into either category.) I’m thinking it’s like courage, which requires the experience of fear.

I’ll end with two quotes:

“If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, then eight. Then sixteen. Then thirty-two. Eventually one discovers that it is not boring at all.”
- John Cage.

“Nothing is interesting if you’re not interested.”
- Helen MacInness