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	<title>Comments on: The Effects of the Occult</title>
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		<title>By: relativestate</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/11/25/the-effects-of-the-occult/comment-page-1/#comment-7916</link>
		<dc:creator>relativestate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TB: Well, it involved large amounts of psychedelic drugs.  And trying to visualize her, and thinking about it a lot.  Also just generally wanting it a lot.  Didn't really know what I was doing at the time.

That was two and a half years ago.  These days, no effort's necessary.  She just &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt;, without me actively sustaining her; or rather, she actively sustains herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TB: Well, it involved large amounts of psychedelic drugs.  And trying to visualize her, and thinking about it a lot.  Also just generally wanting it a lot.  Didn&#8217;t really know what I was doing at the time.</p>
<p>That was two and a half years ago.  These days, no effort&#8217;s necessary.  She just <em>is</em>, without me actively sustaining her; or rather, she actively sustains herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/11/25/the-effects-of-the-occult/comment-page-1/#comment-7915</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Christianity lacks the â€œdirectâ€ experience. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Personally, I don't think Christianity as a whole lacks it. As far as I can tell, being "reborn in the Spirit"  is pretty much all about that. But the emphasis on personal experience is certainly not there, especially within groups who believe that in order for them to be valid, any personal experience of god has to be theologically and doctrinally sound. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Christianity lacks the â€œdirectâ€ experience. </p></blockquote>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think Christianity as a whole lacks it. As far as I can tell, being &#8220;reborn in the Spirit&#8221;  is pretty much all about that. But the emphasis on personal experience is certainly not there, especially within groups who believe that in order for them to be valid, any personal experience of god has to be theologically and doctrinally sound.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>relativestate, what kind of "highly unorthodox methods" are you using?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>relativestate, what kind of &#8220;highly unorthodox methods&#8221; are you using?</p>
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		<title>By: relativestate</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/11/25/the-effects-of-the-occult/comment-page-1/#comment-7913</link>
		<dc:creator>relativestate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I haven't dabbled in the occult. but I &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; practiced what you might call...  highly unorthodox methods to create changes in one's own consciousness/mental organization.  Since then, I've experienced "Visualization of Figures others cannot see" and "Voices in your head or out loud you may speak with", but since that was the point I would not exactly call it a negative effect...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I haven&#8217;t dabbled in the occult. but I <em>have</em> practiced what you might call&#8230;  highly unorthodox methods to create changes in one&#8217;s own consciousness/mental organization.  Since then, I&#8217;ve experienced &#8220;Visualization of Figures others cannot see&#8221; and &#8220;Voices in your head or out loud you may speak with&#8221;, but since that was the point I would not exactly call it a negative effect&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;seeing unnatural things that appear very frightening&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do they mean like people who've been crucified to death unexpectedly getting up and walking around again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>seeing unnatural things that appear very frightening</p></blockquote>
<p>Do they mean like people who&#8217;ve been crucified to death unexpectedly getting up and walking around again?</p>
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		<title>By: monster</title>
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		<dc:creator>monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 04:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how you end posts with a question, which encourages comments. That's pretty cool.

Christianity lacks the "direct" experience. Even though in their own bible it talks about the living Word, the Holy Spirit, and that in the last days, the Word will be "written on their hearts and minds." So when someone quotes to me out of the bible like a mindless parrot, I want to slap them and tell them the Spirit is alive, it exists in the here and now, in fact it's looking right at you, dumbass. 

Anyway, "occult" just means "hidden," but there do exist &lt;em&gt;evil&lt;/em&gt; spirits that will make you feel the haunted feeling, depression, or the voices in your head. That's just from my own experience, I'm sure they could give you those other symptoms as well.

So I think they've confused "evil" with "occult." But for all intents and purposes, much of the "occult" stuff out there is pretty evil, so the guide is practical, overall. I think if they encouraged more free thinking within their own ranks, people wouldn't have to look elsewhere for that direct experience.

Yeah it's amazing how much of my own personal beliefs are straight out of the bible, and at the same time, how much it differs from that of mainstream Christianity. There really is a lot of good stuff in there, if you don't let other people put any "spin" on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how you end posts with a question, which encourages comments. That&#8217;s pretty cool.</p>
<p>Christianity lacks the &#8220;direct&#8221; experience. Even though in their own bible it talks about the living Word, the Holy Spirit, and that in the last days, the Word will be &#8220;written on their hearts and minds.&#8221; So when someone quotes to me out of the bible like a mindless parrot, I want to slap them and tell them the Spirit is alive, it exists in the here and now, in fact it&#8217;s looking right at you, dumbass. </p>
<p>Anyway, &#8220;occult&#8221; just means &#8220;hidden,&#8221; but there do exist <em>evil</em> spirits that will make you feel the haunted feeling, depression, or the voices in your head. That&#8217;s just from my own experience, I&#8217;m sure they could give you those other symptoms as well.</p>
<p>So I think they&#8217;ve confused &#8220;evil&#8221; with &#8220;occult.&#8221; But for all intents and purposes, much of the &#8220;occult&#8221; stuff out there is pretty evil, so the guide is practical, overall. I think if they encouraged more free thinking within their own ranks, people wouldn&#8217;t have to look elsewhere for that direct experience.</p>
<p>Yeah it&#8217;s amazing how much of my own personal beliefs are straight out of the bible, and at the same time, how much it differs from that of mainstream Christianity. There really is a lot of good stuff in there, if you don&#8217;t let other people put any &#8220;spin&#8221; on it.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visualization of Figures others cannot see 
Voices in your head or out loud you may speak with 
a haunted feeling 
depression maturing into suicidal thoughts 
seeing unnatural things that appear very frightening 
tormenting dreams 
insomnia 
fear to go to church 

for me, that`s pretty much a checklist of my youth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visualization of Figures others cannot see<br />
Voices in your head or out loud you may speak with<br />
a haunted feeling<br />
depression maturing into suicidal thoughts<br />
seeing unnatural things that appear very frightening<br />
tormenting dreams<br />
insomnia<br />
fear to go to church </p>
<p>for me, that`s pretty much a checklist of my youth.</p>
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