Everybody needs a good enemy. It seems to be an undeniable facet of social life - the need for somebody to compare yourself against and say, “I’m better than that.” I guess it gives us a focal point for our energy and a fine edge to hone our lives against.
In the world of conspiracy theory, enemies abound. The Jews, the Blacks, the Whites, the Illuminati, the Reptilians, the Corporations, the Elites, the Fundamentalists, the Occultists, the Satanists. Hell, I’m not even sure you could have a conspiracy theory which doesn’t make use of some kind of personified figure of ultimate evil sneering from the darkness, secretly orchestrating world events.
I’ve been doing a lot of research lately into “fringe” Islamic groups, and Black Nationalist movements. I say “fringe” in quotes like that not to diminish them so much as to separate them from orthodox Islam. There are some really interesting groups out there with some really fascinating and far out teachings. In particular, I recommend research the teachings and especially the connections between the Moorish Science Temple of America, The Nation of Islam, the Nation of Gods and Earths (aka, the Five Percenters), and the Nuwaubians. One thing most of these groups share is the villification of the “White Devil” and the elevation of the Asiatic/Moorish Black Man.
It’s pretty wild to sit down and compare these groups to their white nationalist counterparts, such as the Christian Patriot movement in general or groups like the Conspiratologists specifically. Many of these groups villify the “Jewish Banker,” and his nefarious henchmen. It’s weird to put these groups side-by-side with black nationalist groups because a great deal of what these seemingly polar opposites are saying is fundamentally the same in terms of values. It’s just who deserves to have those values applied to them which is radically different.
(Incidentally, I think it’s weird how I don’t so much mind being called a white devil, but I really cringe when I see white pride sites talking about Zionism and the Jewish conspiracy. It’s really no different, but for some reason when it’s directed against me, it’s easier to understand and mentally dismantle than when it’s directed at somebody else… but that’s a whole other tangent.)
Anyway, what’s the point of all this? Why do we need so desperately to find or create enemies? Rev Max once wrote a great bit on this that has stuck with me ever since:
What does it mean to be a warrior in a monistic universe, where your enemy is a reflection or extension of yourself, where we are all truly part of one being, and the individual can perceive and understand that?
In that situation the purpose of fighting, of conflict, is to help your opponent find his own excellence - to bring out the best in yourself and in him as you both strive to carve away the imperfections that seprarate you from God.
I realize that kind of thinking when applied to racism is probably going to rub a lot of people the wrong way. Understand what I’m saying is not that racism is cool or that you should do it, but that if you find yourself railing against a real or imagined enemy, it’s worth taking a step back from and looking at who you’re really up against: you or them. More often than not, it’s just you in another form.
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Homework: Create a conspiracy theory in which there is no “bad guy(s)”, no enemy, no personified evil. Can you do it? What would be the focal point of such a conspiracy theory? How would it go about looking for the truth? What would the actual conspiracy consist of?
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I think the conspiracy you describe here would be something like the conspiracy of the self - a friend of mine holds up the plot of the old British TV series “the Prisoner” as an example.
Never seen it, but apparently its about a guy who wakes up trapped in a village that is like a movie set - its some sort of Potemkin village for spies that is now being used to break and disorient political prisoners.
Anyway, they all have numbers instead of names, and he doesn’t know what crime he committed or why he’s there, so he spends the entire series on an enraged quest to find out “who is #1????”
Supposedly the last episode he finds #1 and pulls off the guy’s mask and discovers that it is he himself. He has been keeping himself imprisoned the whole time.
Not sure what you mean by “bad guys,” but how about The Truman Show?
i’m reminded of Borges’ Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius, in which a secret conspiracy of scientists, geographers, philosophers and encyclopedia authors conspire to transform the fabric of “reality” from Earth as we know it to Tlon, a strange realm ruled by Idealist philosophy.
I recently was part of a conspiracy against my wife. The focal point was to create a fiction and make her believe it to be reality. Co-conspirators included most of the female members of my family, and some of my wife’s friends. For months we trafficked in misdirection, deception and outright lies.
And it worked! She loved the baby shower.
This reminds me of an excellent part in The Believer, which is about a Jewish kid in his late teens who becomes a neo-nazi. This is near the climax of the movie, after he has a sort of awakening.
*spoilers if you haven’t seen it, and are planning to*
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- Here he is. - ls that him?
(applause)
- Balint. - Daniel Balint.
(chants) = Sh’ma, IsraeI,…
- = ..Adonai eIoheinu, Adonai echad = - What is this?
- Does anyone know what that is? - A Jewish prayer.
A Jewish prayer. Do you have any idea why l would say a Jewish prayer?
- Because you’re a Jew! - (laughter)
That could be one reason. What’s another?
Let me put it this way.
Who wants to destroy the Jews?
(murmuring)
Who wants to grind their bones into the dust?
And who wants to see them rise again?
Wealthier, more successful, powerful, cultured, more intelligent than ever?
Then you know what we have to do?
We have to love ‘em.
What? Did he say ”Love the Jews”? lt’s strange, l know.
But with these people, nothing is simple.
The Jew says all he wants is to be left alone to study his Torah,…
..do a little business,…
..fornicate with his oversexed wife, but it’s not true.
- (laughter) -
He wants to be hated.
He longs for our scorn.
He clings to it, as if it were the very core of his being.
lf Hitler had not existed, the Jews would’ve invented him.
For without such hatred, the so-called Chosen People would vanish from the earth.
And this reveals a terrible truth and the crux of our problem as Nazis.
The worse the Jews are treated, the stronger they become.
Egyptian slavery made them a nation.
The pogroms hardened them. Auschwitz gave birth to the state of lsrael.
Suffering, it seems, is the very crucible of their genius.
So, if the Jews are, as one of their own has said,…
..a people who will not take ”yes” for an answer,…
..let us say ”yes” to them.
They thrive on opposition. Let us cease to oppose them.
The only way to annihilate this insidious people once and for all…
..is to open our arms, invite them into our homes…
..and embrace them.
Only then will they vanish into assimilation, normality and love.
But we cannot pretend. The Jew is nothing if not clever.
He will see through hypocrisy and condescension.
To destroy him, we must love him sincerely.
(mumbling)
Yes?
lf the Jews are strengthened by hate, wouldn’t this…
..destruction that you speak of, whether it’s by love or any other means,…
..wouldn’t that make them more powerful than they are already?
Yes.
lnfinitely more.
They would become as God.
(mumbling)
lt’s the Jews’ destiny to be annihilated so they can be deified.
Jesus understood this perfectly.
And look what was accomplished there with the death of just one enlightened Jew.
lmagine what would happen if we killed them all.
So, let us say together,… = Sh’ma, IsraeI,… =
Are you out of your mind?!
Just making a point.
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scr...r-script-transcript-ryan-gosling.html
I hope this doesn’t look too sloppy on the comments thinger, but I really felt like sharing it. It seems very relavent.
What about one in which the conspirators are well-meaning, or even benevolent?
A conspiracy theory where there are no conspirators, well, violates the definition.
Personally, I think good vs. evil is at the heart of conspiracy. The question of “good guys” and “bad guys” just depends on which side of the spectrum you view yourself to be. I guess the only way you could create a “good guy” conspiracy, is if you viewed or recognized YOURSELF as containing some bad or evil personifications, and thus the conspiracy you saw before you was an attempt to make you a better person.
So, in effect, I doubt that conspiracy theory can exist without some kind of “good vs. bad”, dualistic mindset.
Something slightly off-topic, though very interesting is something I read in a recent Star Wars novel, “The Joiner King”. It’s a training game, but a very peculiar game at that:
I emphasize “maintain order” because, the game has nothing to do with who wins, but how the referee manages the game:
Maybe that’s the ultimate conspiracy theory, to look for EVERYONE’S secret agendas (conspiracy plans) and create solutions that work for everyone, OUTSIDE the boundaries of dualistic, good vs. evil, mindsets.
Actually, I can ALMOST imagine a conspiracy that doens’t involve “bad guys”. It’s related to what Tim posted about a while back, about the Archons or Illuminati perhaps being “the good guys”. Something I read by Drunvalo Mechiledek (my spelling is horrible on his last name), in which he was talking about the Ascended Masters and members of a Galactic Council “conspiring” to help Earth move into the Christ Consciousness (another 2012-related consciousness shift). He talked about these “higher beings” bringing forth a plan to save Earth before cataclysms destroyed it.
The only problem is, there were “bad guys”, ignorant humanity inadvertantly bringing about our own destruction, and the “conspiracy” was necessary to save us.
So yet again, IMO, there must be “evil” in conspiracy theory, either external evil or internal evil. If there weren’t evil (or negative, greed-based agendas), there would be no need for a “good conspiracy” (a secret agenda aimed at helping EVERYONE).
Cuz when you truly get to the bottom of it, “evil” is anything that works against your point of view, and the “bad guys” are anyone who is working (or conspiring) for ONLY their benefit. Meanwhile, anything that is truly or absolute good, is something that works in everyone’s favor. It really boils down to interests of the self (greedy and “evil”) vs. THE SELF (humanity or consciousness as a whole), and any “good conspiracy” would require an “evil” or greedy opponent, otherwise it would cease to need secrecy and conspiracy, and would simply be a “good” plan for THE SELF, for all of humanity.
My online novel that I aborted was about TWO competing conspiracies: one to regulate the world population, and one to combat the other. In the end, they both failed, thanks to the unwitting uprising of a THIRD conspiracy group.
The need to regulate world population due to overcrowding would certainly find supporters of all stripes, but when it comes down to who ACTUALLY gets eliminated for the purpose of preserving life on this planet, humans (I assume) would get prejudicial and ugly.
In re: conspiracy & race– ever heard about the meeting between Marcus Garvey and the KKK? Seems that Garvey (the black man who pioneered the cause to have all blacks return to the Motherland in Africa) met with members of the KKK in the South several times… because they both agreed on getting blacks back to Africa!
Supposedly, he was greeted as an equal by the KKK, and they even gave him a black robe when he spoke at one of their clandestine meetings– the same as the white KKK robes, only colored black. You can find purported photos of this on the Web, but I first read about in the the Steamshovel Press years ago.
Likewise, if the Nazi Aryan philosophy was so rigid, why did the Germans side with Italy and Japan during WWII? Did they have a common racial enemy, or did they find themselves bound philosophically? I would say the latter, because (although it may exist) there doesn’t seem to be a lot of animosity towards the Jews by Italians and the Japanese.
CTers who race-bait are already played-out before they even get anywhere. Even the craftiest, most evil power brokers (Dick Cheney, I’m looking in your direction) know the value of making alliances with those they disagree with– as long as they have a common ground upon which to work. Usually, more than race or power or creed, the underlying root cause and goal of ANY conspiracy is MONEY.
Man, these are a lot of great comments all in one place. The only other thing I might try to add to this is the whole idea of the dialectic, wherein (as far as I understand it anyway, which isn’t I guess all that far) you have the opposition between two elements creating the dynamic friction necessary to create a third element. In that way, having an enemy makes sense from a creative perspective.
Halfway similar posts about this:
- Is dissent really dangerous?
- Power, Part III: Energizing the Collective Walkmen
James–the Marcus Garvey thing is news to me, but might explain why I once saw an article that was a very lauditory appraisal of him in the old Bircher “Spotlight” from the early 80’s, of all places. (I saw that in a Chicago used bookstore). ONe thing that is certain, though, and which is documented is that Elijah Muhammed had Malcolm X meet secretly with the KKK because they shared common ground (that being the belief that the races needed to separate and that there could never be any “getting along” in a multi-cultural society). This is one of those less-talked about reasons behind Malcolm’s eventual break with the Nation and he’s quoted to have said that the Nation of Islam and the KKK had the same paymasters. In the classic Black Muslims in America the author reports in passing that Wallace D. Fard (Allah incarnate and founder of the Nation of Islam) was rumored to be a Nazi agent. I haven’t seen that picked up on by any later researchers on the Nation, so who knows. But it’s provocative and makes some sort of sense. Now that’s an interesting conspiracy!
Off tangent and back on target: a “jaundiced-view” conspiracy theory in which there are no “bad guys” would be one wherein the archons are not personified as actual entities, but as sort of mechanical systems of control that have the habit of perpetuating themselves and expanding due to human habit, people forgetting that they created these systems and can change or eradicate them, and the tendency for people to fall asleep and assume they “need” these systems. No consciously nefarious group is required and no actually sentient evil (just mindless, but ordered mechanisms that we’ve called forth and put into play) need come into play. There’s nothing “evil” inherently about these systems, but they become increasingly negative in their effects and power when their growth is not kept in check, regulated or prevented ahead of time by their human creators and sustainers. A Meta-cancer Conspiracy. Like the movie The Cube.
A “rosy-view” conspiracy theory requiring no us versus them is one in which cosmic tricksters work behind the scenes to increase anomolies and general chaos to whatever degree required to get more and more people to wake up and laugh at the joke and become felow tricksters. If the world seems crazier and more fucked up, that’s just because that’s the amount of crazy required to even begin to rouse the slumbering masses. Hmmm…maybe “rosy view” ain’t the right term. But it ain’t “jaundiced!
the conspiracy i prefer is the one where we choose good feelings for no reason and then pass it on. sort of hippy, anglican, mildly invisible sort of an approach, but when applied to one`s own life then the outocme is a smile.
pulling the mask off and finding out that it`s you. that`s what it work out as anyway.
the model i heard described once by someone, alan watts possibly, was to imagine living inside a bubble that was mirrored on the inside, so that wherever one looked one saw one`s self. it takes real strength to try that model on for any length of time………..i just try to keep a smile on. i know the bubble has burst(ha ha.) for me when i`m feeling anything but comfortable.
delving into the racial thing for a moment, i discovered this little test at http://www.implicit.harvard.edu it`s not for the faint hearted, especially if you are polarised by words like racist.
another exercise that i find interesting is to google “banna nazi” or to look at the differing opinions of the muslim brotherhood, an organisation that is illegal in egypt, yet takes seats.
it`s a funny old world…………………………..
Another possible conspiracy scenario with no bad guys, which dovetails into some of the things people have said already:
A higher intelligence is gradually and covertly revealing itself to us. It’s greatest desire is to do it all at once, and be with us fully, but in it’s infinite wisdom, it knows that most of us aren’t ready for that - that the experience would destroy us. And so it plays an elaborate game of cat and mouse with us, offering us clues to follow, bread-crumbs in the forest, challenges for us to overcome which will gradually purify and strengthen us and enable us to become closer to it.
The “counter-conspiracy” or “bad guys” could be a group who has committed itself to “saving” people or protecting them from what appears to be the destruction caused by the higher intelligence trying desperately to reveal itself to us before we’re ready.
I kind of like this scenario because in it, all parties believe themselves to be doing a good thing, and arguably may be…
this is all rather like the invisibles, ain’t it?
Dammit, I still haven’t read that. I just can’t get myself to lay down the money to buy the whole thing.
I guess we could put this into gnostic terms as well. Namely, that perhaps the archons and the demiurge protect us from God, rather than keeping us from God. After all, people do talk about how you’re supposed to fear God, right? Makes sense with this scenario.
Come to think of it, it’s also fairly similar to that part in Waking Life:
I disagree with that assumption. Anything that demands to be feared, is something that strives to separate itself from those fearing it. Thus, anything or anyone predicated on fear-based relationships does not have, IMHO, the best intentions for those beneath.
I hate to take a line from Star Wars, but it feels most apporpriate:
And really, if someone demands that you fear him/her, then they are ultimately asking that you suffer on their behalf. I can’t really accept that God, the Indescribable Self who I associate with that term, would truly want us to suffer on ITs behalf. No, for me, the person we are “supposed” to fear, is the Demiurge, and once we move beyond that binding fear, we can accept and embrace the love of the Creator, the one who created the Demiurge.
I agree with rev max, this is all very similar to The Invisibles. Another good one to look into would maybe be Jacob’s Ladder and The Thin Red Line, as I’ve mentioned before. Both touch on concepts like this, but both very differently. What about Cronenberg’s Spider?
fear as a currency supports an economy that is going to produce more fear. nothing that comes close to my idea of the divine subscribes to that system of value. the only time i see fear being utilised in that fashion is to control. and so each generation learns to be more afraid of each other and having to use more mechanisms of fear to control, which is precisely what is happening in planet america. we are becoming increasingly afraid of our own shadows……..unless the shadow has been hiv tested, not been in touch with peanuts and hasn`t made statements that could be construed as racist, sexist or counter to any other new emerging program of protection that the government can implement.”don`t forget to wear your helmet dear, you know that studies have shown that the sky is going to fall”
i don`t agree that fear leads to anger. i think anger is a way of waking one`s self up to life. being rooted in anger can be destructive, but so can being rooted in complacency and even contentment. as long as fear is the ground for operation then very little else is possible. angry people do many constructive things and as long as they can transcend the anger then anything is possible. the book power vs. force lays the anger thing out in detail.
But the key, allistair, is transcending the anger. Becoming greater than the anger, and only using it as a tool, otherwise, it will control you, and lead to greater destruction.
And I agree on a larger scale that fear and anger CAN be unrelated, and also that anger can be used in positive manners. I just used the Star Wars quote because it felt appropriate. The really interesting thing is reading the books set 20+ years after Ep VI. Those books get into much deeper philosophical strains than the movies, and actually lead the Jedi (the new ones under the guidance of Luke) to throw off the duality of Light vs. Dark, and embrace the entire Force. It’s quite interesting to see the struggles within the Jedi as they try to do what is “right”, while also trying to embrace the whole force.
ktulu, to use my own emotions as an example, my angr has been to wake myself up to my own possibilities and potentials. it has, at times, connected with others in regretable ways. i have learned to shape the energy in the anger and have, as a result, moved past anger into effective states where the power of what was anger drives and fuels creativity.
anger bonded to fear goes down, whereas anger bonded to creativity, or any other positive process moves up toward insight, compassion, service and enlightenment. like jesus said.
it is interesting that the star wars story has morphed good into bad and bad into good in ways that make us see the duality, or sameness, in both sides of the good/bad paradox.
Well, basically what you were saying, allistair, is what the Jedi have started to confront in their paradigm shift, trying to use their anger, when necessary, as additional fuel. The interesting thing, is that there is still a level of good vs. evil, it’s just that it is no longer seen as light vs. dark, but rather greed vs. compassion. They no longer see the Force (both sides of it) as being good or evil, but indifferent. The good and the evil, resides in the individual. Thus they will utilize the dark side when necessary to serve goals that will go towards the benefit of everyone. The really interesting thing is watching internal struggle they face dealing with this new paradigm, as well as the resistance they face from external groups (like other, non-Jedi Force users). Very interesting dynamics, and something I agree with more than the limited, dualistic mindset of the movies.
yes, and as we allow more of the indifference into our own lives we have more opportunity to choose the emotions we want to instead of ones designed to manipulate us for the needs of others. this indifference doesn`t equate to not caring. it merely refers to getting a good old fashioned grip on our selves. mastery of the self is the first work we need to accomplish in our lives. all of our hopes and dreams depend on it. what use are we to ourselves if we come to pieces the first time we are challenged in our views or we fail at a task or any one of a number of mundane issues we are faced with in a day. politics and religion are, in my view, a mechanism for creating precisely that uncertainty in us, so that we are off balance and never have the opportunity to master the self. what the hell else do they do?
These are all amazing comments, really great stuff. I still can’t get over how when I officially realized and declared that “I’m a Gnostic Christian”, i find a few gnostic sites that are totally on my same brain-level, and I’m not just talking about philosophically. I’m talking about questions asked, thoughts contemplated, and conversations engaged in. A lot of you say everything I want to say, but don’t find the time to, or open up discussions that I’d love to become a part of but hesitate because I feel everything that needs to be said already has been.
Incidentally, great Waking Life quote Tim, that line was basically the thesis statement of the entire movie, as Wiley finally “gave in” and said yes to becoming one with the Source at the end of the movie when he let go and floated upwards towards eternity.
Here’s another one for ya, about the Demiurge. The Demiurge ain’t really evil–not all gnostics believed that. Some believed he was simply mad or under delusion, as much as those below him–makes sense…as above, so below.
One dead Radhasoami (Indian gnostic sect of the Sant tradition) guru even came out and said that ultimately the Demiurge (or Kal or the devil) is a metaphor for a certain “negative” power that exists and eminated from the Creator and this “negative” power does necessary work and without it, there would be no universe. On this read, the Demiurge limits us, yes, but limitation is in the nature of and is necessary for the creation and maintenance of the universe. So maybe it’s an apparent conspiracy to keep us in a Black Iron Prison on one level, but at a deeper level that’s not the case at all. Gurdjieff had a similar view in saying that becoming awake, in terms of the mechanics of creation, was a superfluous thing and sort of an act against god. Put another way, it’s like you have to build up a certain amount of force and momentum to take flight and even more to leave the Earth’s atmosphere for the stars, but is there a conspiracy of gravity to “keep us down”? No, just certain “laws” (or “conspiracies”) to make us work and think our way beyond their limits.
Ahh, and Waking Life is an awesome, awesome movie. As is Jacob’s Ladder. Donnie Darko, too. There’s a conspiracy that’s ultimately not one in that movie too–no evil unseen hand, just a paradox about reality, spirit, free will and fate.
ive never seen jacobs ladder, but ill check it out. i like what youre saying about the demiurge too. i want to develop these ideas in a separate post i think.
I know my knowledge of Kabbalah is very limited, but wouldn’t that whole concept of the Demi-urge, as a negative force of God, or a limiting level of creation, be similar to the whole hierarchy of the Tree of Life? The various levels not necessarily being good or evil, but rather just parts of how it all fits together (with again, the Godhead at the top)?
And when you mentioned “Kal”, does that relate to the Kali Yuga (which I believe is the final, most “negative” Yuga in the cicle)?
I just googled Kali Yuga and the first hit is quite interesting:
Quite fascinating to relate the Kali Yuga to the “Age of Iron”, very similar to Daniel’s dream, and also fascinating when you mix in Gnostic imagery like the Black Iron Prison.
Now there’s something for you, Tim, to throw together in a big post on PopOcculture.
“Kal” is the name that the Radhasoami sects of India (who I consider to be India’s home-grown gnostics, who are continuing the sant tradition of troubadeur-mystics in India that had lots of exchange with Sufis and certain Hindu mystical sects like the Nanths–eye may be butchering the last group’s name, eye’m goin’ from memory, ya’ll) give to the Demiurge. Kal is, by the popular characterization, sort of the cosmic bad-guy, like the Christian Satan or the Zoroastrian Ahriman. Among other things, he is the master of Finite Time and the Karmic wheel. M’eye suspcion is that Kal is related to the goddess Kali, who is pretty nasty on the surface, what with beheading people and standing on the bodies of her victims. As long as your bound by finite time and materiality, you’re subject to the laws of Kal. Course, some of the Radhasoami and sant gurus do, if you read enough of them, reveal this other view of Kal that I mentioned, how he’s part of the design of things and a force rather than an evil demon. Specifically, I was citing Kirpal Singh in the other post.
That particular description of the Kali Yuga does resonate deeply. Good on ya, posting that, Ktulu.
Doing a bit more research on the Kali Yuga is revealing some interesting tidbits…
I found out about the ten avatars, and the last three seem to be most interesting:
I’ll ignore Buddha, since he’s pretty well known, but the other two seem to be quite intriguing, beginning with the last one.
Kalki, it seems, has yet to arrive, but the imagery of a hero on a white horse is quite interesting when you look in Revelations and see that the white horse shows up twice.
The site, USA in Bible Prophecy, is a fairly liberal (as far a politics go) look at the Bible, in fact it almost equates the “Christian Right” to “false Christs”.
Revelations 6:1-2 says…
This is the first reference to the white horse in revelations, and the author of the site equates him to a “counterfeit” Christ, perhaps the Anti-Christ, perhaps someone else (Bush, in the author’s opinion).
Revelations 19:11-16 has another white horse…
This of course is supposed to be Christ, and seems very similar to the Kalki Avatar mentioned in the Puranas (Indian texts and mythos designed for the “lesser intellects” of the masses, as opposed to the confusing and “higher intellect” Vedas).
Getting back to the first Avatar I mentioned, Ramachandra and his people, the Ramayana, I found some other interesting tid-bits while wondering around on a UFO article on Rense.
The article on Rense was talking about the various advanced space-craft that show up in the Indian texts, the Vimana (some styles of which sound an aweful lot like classic UFOs, the “flying saucers”, except the texts are thousands of years old).
Going further with the research on the Vimana, I came across a site on worldmysteries.com that details some what happened with the Ramayana:
So this perhaps the Ramachandra avatar was part of a great war in the past, perhaps even involved in “sinking” Atlantis and causing the deluge, while the Kalki avatar looms on the horizon, waiting to save us from the “apocalypse”.
Interesting, indeed.
there are all manner of things in museums around the world, on public display that suggest we are repeating things as much as we are discovering. one great big wtf. is sitting in the desert in egypt. it`s not a tomb for a pharoah, that`s for certain.
I have lots of theories about the whole Ramayana/Ancient Nuclear War scenario. It’s a great topic I think. I’ll try to post on it separately in the next couple days.
lol, allistair, are you referring to the Great Pyramid or the Sphinx, or both? I think both would probably fit into the timeline espoused on http://www.worldmysteries.com in the last quote I posted above, “10-12 thousand years ago”. Graham Hancock has written a lot about both in his numerous books.
both. graham hancock does us all a great service by keeping this stuff in the public eye. michael cremo, author of forbidden archeology, is another purveyor of evidence of prehistoric technology. his articles in atlantis rising magazine contain numerous examples of artifacts that science refuses to adress in a meaningful way. the bagdad battery is a classic example of how science trivialises discoveries of functional ancient technology. the bagdad batrery is a clay pot with a carbon core, which, when filled with distilled water, generates a mild electric current. it has been speculated that the device was only used for mundane applications like electro-plating jewellery. o.k. so? the people who discovered it`s use would have looked to apply the technology elsewhere. not necessarily to power laptops or laser devices, but, the fact remains that these processes were known to ancient cultures and they could apply the process in industry. there is some evidence that there were surgical proceedures performed also. and flying machines and atomic weapons. there is a mountain missing in syria and the blast area is covered with glass known to be formed in sand with the heat of thermo-nuclear detonations. this was discovered by nasa when they photographed the area from the shuttle.
there are stories in the bible of the total anihillation of cities and armies in a single blast.