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		<title>By: He That Hath Not - Pop Occulture Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-25452</link>
		<dc:creator>He That Hath Not - Pop Occulture Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In my recent readings of the Bible, one of the things which I have been keeping an eye out for are passages which support universalist doctrine, or that Christ came to free everybody regardless of whether or not you &#8220;believe&#8221; in him. I think this is an especially fun topic because the people it most upsets seem to be the more Fundamentalist of Christians who can&#8217;t conceive of how all their hard work and identity which they have constructed around being a &#8220;good Christian&#8221; doesn&#8217;t gain them a better hotel room in Heaven. It also seems to highlight perhaps an underlying elitist desire within mainstream Christianity. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In my recent readings of the Bible, one of the things which I have been keeping an eye out for are passages which support universalist doctrine, or that Christ came to free everybody regardless of whether or not you &#8220;believe&#8221; in him. I think this is an especially fun topic because the people it most upsets seem to be the more Fundamentalist of Christians who can&#8217;t conceive of how all their hard work and identity which they have constructed around being a &#8220;good Christian&#8221; doesn&#8217;t gain them a better hotel room in Heaven. It also seems to highlight perhaps an underlying elitist desire within mainstream Christianity. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fantastic planet &#187; Jacques Ellul and the Gnostic view on Universalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>fantastic planet &#187; Jacques Ellul and the Gnostic view on Universalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My absolute favorite Christian Anarchist theologial and social philosopher, Jacques Ellul, believed in universalism, the idea that every single person will be saved and that Hell doesn&#8217;t exist. I&#8217;d known this from a number of texts I&#8217;d read, but finding his work in English is exceptionally difficult (with a few glaring exceptions), so it&#8217;s with great joy that I found his defense of universalism online! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My absolute favorite Christian Anarchist theologial and social philosopher, Jacques Ellul, believed in universalism, the idea that every single person will be saved and that Hell doesn&#8217;t exist. I&#8217;d known this from a number of texts I&#8217;d read, but finding his work in English is exceptionally difficult (with a few glaring exceptions), so it&#8217;s with great joy that I found his defense of universalism online! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: drewcosten</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-9081</link>
		<dc:creator>drewcosten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is the difference between Universalism, Unitarianism, and the Universal Life Church&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unitarianism (or Unitarian Universalism as it is properly called) is a denomination that believes in the idea that everyone goes to heaven (although that's a simplified description) and doesn't necessarily believe that Christ is divine.  Universalism (or Christian Universalism as it is more properly called) is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a denomination but rather a soteriological model (meaning a model of how one is saved) which says that everyone is saved by Christ (who is believed to be divine even if not necessarily a part of a "Trinity").  The ULC is not at all related to Universalism or Unitarianism but is a denomination of sorts made so that anyone can call themselves ordained (if I am not mistaken, anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is the difference between Universalism, Unitarianism, and the Universal Life Church</p></blockquote>
<p>Unitarianism (or Unitarian Universalism as it is properly called) is a denomination that believes in the idea that everyone goes to heaven (although that&#8217;s a simplified description) and doesn&#8217;t necessarily believe that Christ is divine.  Universalism (or Christian Universalism as it is more properly called) is <i>not</i> a denomination but rather a soteriological model (meaning a model of how one is saved) which says that everyone is saved by Christ (who is believed to be divine even if not necessarily a part of a &#8220;Trinity&#8221;).  The ULC is not at all related to Universalism or Unitarianism but is a denomination of sorts made so that anyone can call themselves ordained (if I am not mistaken, anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: hf</title>
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		<dc:creator>hf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel certain the ULC has no relation to the UU organization, at least in the eyes of the latter. The ULC calls itself an existentialist religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel certain the ULC has no relation to the UU organization, at least in the eyes of the latter. The ULC calls itself an existentialist religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-9053</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I'm sorting out those differences myself James. From what I understand with just a cursory investigation, the Unitarian Universalists were formed from the union of two separate churches, the Unitarians and the Universalists. I think the ULC is pretty much unrelated, but I'll look into the whole thing more sometime soon as I'm curious myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m sorting out those differences myself James. From what I understand with just a cursory investigation, the Unitarian Universalists were formed from the union of two separate churches, the Unitarians and the Universalists. I think the ULC is pretty much unrelated, but I&#8217;ll look into the whole thing more sometime soon as I&#8217;m curious myself.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question, because I really don't know and haven't the time to look it up online: What is the difference between Universalism, Unitarianism, and the Universal Life Church, which lets every member become a pastor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question, because I really don&#8217;t know and haven&#8217;t the time to look it up online: What is the difference between Universalism, Unitarianism, and the Universal Life Church, which lets every member become a pastor?</p>
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		<title>By: Confessions About Confession	- 
	Pop Occulture</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-9030</link>
		<dc:creator>Confessions About Confession	- 
	Pop Occulture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to gradually discontinue going to Confession after that.  	My recent forays into exploring universalist Christian theology have lead me back around again on the subjec [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to gradually discontinue going to Confession after that.  	My recent forays into exploring universalist Christian theology have lead me back around again on the subjec [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hebrides</title>
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		<dc:creator>hebrides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eye'll have to disagree with you, Theway2K.  Say, we gno that everybody is going to get to Tony's house for the big party, but going by a certain path would mean you got mugged, spat on, jerked around and utterly made miserable, before you got there and making different decisions would mean your walk to Tony's house was considerably less awful, you might still wanna opt for the latter, wouldn't you?  I mean, if all that crappy stuff happened, but Tony's place was just super super incredibly awesome and the chips and dip and whatnot was so incredible that it kind of healed all the open sores and whatnot, wouldn't you still kinda be like, "Shit! This is great!  I wish I coulda gotten here sooner!" And ya coulda.  And you might even say, "Damn, I coulda gotten here with out all the mugging and the beating and the alley cats digging into m'eye crotch!"  And again, ya coulda.  But eye'm also sure you would be able to appreciate the fact of the torment while it was going on and also appreciate being able to let go of it once you were at Tony's party.  And Tony, well shit, he already gnos all the trouble you put yourself through already and so what good would it do to slam the door in your face or mug you again?  What--like so, you'd learn your lesson?  That would kinda make Tony an enormous a-hole.  And well, if that's you're concept of god...why is it so important for you to hold on to that picture of the big G, hmmm?  What's the prodigal son all about if we make dad spit in the wayward son's eye once he finally makes it back to the party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eye&#8217;ll have to disagree with you, Theway2K.  Say, we gno that everybody is going to get to Tony&#8217;s house for the big party, but going by a certain path would mean you got mugged, spat on, jerked around and utterly made miserable, before you got there and making different decisions would mean your walk to Tony&#8217;s house was considerably less awful, you might still wanna opt for the latter, wouldn&#8217;t you?  I mean, if all that crappy stuff happened, but Tony&#8217;s place was just super super incredibly awesome and the chips and dip and whatnot was so incredible that it kind of healed all the open sores and whatnot, wouldn&#8217;t you still kinda be like, &#8220;Shit! This is great!  I wish I coulda gotten here sooner!&#8221; And ya coulda.  And you might even say, &#8220;Damn, I coulda gotten here with out all the mugging and the beating and the alley cats digging into m&#8217;eye crotch!&#8221;  And again, ya coulda.  But eye&#8217;m also sure you would be able to appreciate the fact of the torment while it was going on and also appreciate being able to let go of it once you were at Tony&#8217;s party.  And Tony, well shit, he already gnos all the trouble you put yourself through already and so what good would it do to slam the door in your face or mug you again?  What&#8211;like so, you&#8217;d learn your lesson?  That would kinda make Tony an enormous a-hole.  And well, if that&#8217;s you&#8217;re concept of god&#8230;why is it so important for you to hold on to that picture of the big G, hmmm?  What&#8217;s the prodigal son all about if we make dad spit in the wayward son&#8217;s eye once he finally makes it back to the party?</p>
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		<title>By: But, but, Universalism isn&#8217;t fair!	- 
	Pop Occulture</title>
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		<dc:creator>But, but, Universalism isn&#8217;t fair!	- 
	Pop Occulture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  &#8220;If everybody gets saved, then I&#8217;m nothing special!&#8221; 	Finally, somebody responded negatively to my post on the original Christian doctr [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  &#8220;If everybody gets saved, then I&#8217;m nothing special!&#8221; 	Finally, somebody responded negatively to my post on the original Christian doctr [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hebrides</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-9011</link>
		<dc:creator>hebrides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pearson's is talkin' roots doctrine here, kids. Roots Zoroastrianism!  As the whole concept of a hell with gnashing and grinding of teeth enterered into latter-day judaism (along with the eternal bad-guy satan concept) from Zoroastrianism (or the "Good Faith" as they call it; calling them Zoroastrians is sort of like calling Muslims Mohammedans, but "Parsis" isn't quite correct and zoroastrian" is common use) and thereby entered into christianity and gnosticism by that same route (there's even a gnostic gospel attributed to Zoroaster, although it's fragmentary), it should be good to know that the universalist concept is very similar to the zoroastrian one.  In the texts, you fall off the chinvat bridge of judgement, go through a lake of molten fire and--if you were good, it feels like being carried along in a stream of warm milk; if you were "bad" it burns and hurts like a mutha', but you find that it burns away all the accretions of bad that were in you.  And after that judgement at the end of time, everyone ends up in paradise.
So, if anything...these evangelicals are sort of zoroastrian heretics without gnowing it.  ("Magi" was the title of the Zoroastrian magician-priesthood and zoroastrianism posits a world savior--or actually three of them--the saoshants--born of a virgin.  Why else would the magi, being non-Jews, follow a crazy star to find a baby in a manger? they'd found out that one of the saoshants had just been born!  I guess it's best to just generically call them "wise men" so the inquisitive christian won't get the itch to go figure out the persian links to the manger story.)

23-skidoo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pearson&#8217;s is talkin&#8217; roots doctrine here, kids. Roots Zoroastrianism!  As the whole concept of a hell with gnashing and grinding of teeth enterered into latter-day judaism (along with the eternal bad-guy satan concept) from Zoroastrianism (or the &#8220;Good Faith&#8221; as they call it; calling them Zoroastrians is sort of like calling Muslims Mohammedans, but &#8220;Parsis&#8221; isn&#8217;t quite correct and zoroastrian&#8221; is common use) and thereby entered into christianity and gnosticism by that same route (there&#8217;s even a gnostic gospel attributed to Zoroaster, although it&#8217;s fragmentary), it should be good to know that the universalist concept is very similar to the zoroastrian one.  In the texts, you fall off the chinvat bridge of judgement, go through a lake of molten fire and&#8211;if you were good, it feels like being carried along in a stream of warm milk; if you were &#8220;bad&#8221; it burns and hurts like a mutha&#8217;, but you find that it burns away all the accretions of bad that were in you.  And after that judgement at the end of time, everyone ends up in paradise.<br />
So, if anything&#8230;these evangelicals are sort of zoroastrian heretics without gnowing it.  (&#8221;Magi&#8221; was the title of the Zoroastrian magician-priesthood and zoroastrianism posits a world savior&#8211;or actually three of them&#8211;the saoshants&#8211;born of a virgin.  Why else would the magi, being non-Jews, follow a crazy star to find a baby in a manger? they&#8217;d found out that one of the saoshants had just been born!  I guess it&#8217;s best to just generically call them &#8220;wise men&#8221; so the inquisitive christian won&#8217;t get the itch to go figure out the persian links to the manger story.)</p>
<p>23-skidoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Theway2k</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theway2k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I'll be the lone wolf on the comments against Universalism. Just because Universalism is a feel good philosophy for seeker friendly Christians does not make it right. Universalism unwittingly is simply an excuse to practice sin without accountability or responsibility. You know, do what "feels" good because you will go to Heaven anyway. Frankly friends, I just can't see it as truth.

What I do see as truth is everyone sins - Christian Believers as well as the unbelievers. 1 John 1:9 is closer to Truth than Universalism, in fact some have even called this principle of repent of sin and it is cleansed as cheap grace. Nonetheless, it is more Biblical than Universalism - everyone makes it regardless of righteousness and sin. I can't buy that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;ll be the lone wolf on the comments against Universalism. Just because Universalism is a feel good philosophy for seeker friendly Christians does not make it right. Universalism unwittingly is simply an excuse to practice sin without accountability or responsibility. You know, do what &#8220;feels&#8221; good because you will go to Heaven anyway. Frankly friends, I just can&#8217;t see it as truth.</p>
<p>What I do see as truth is everyone sins - Christian Believers as well as the unbelievers. 1 John 1:9 is closer to Truth than Universalism, in fact some have even called this principle of repent of sin and it is cleansed as cheap grace. Nonetheless, it is more Biblical than Universalism - everyone makes it regardless of righteousness and sin. I can&#8217;t buy that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-9006</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh cool. Actually, Pearson's site had a link to the TentMaker site as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh cool. Actually, Pearson&#8217;s site had a link to the TentMaker site as well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rev max</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-9005</link>
		<dc:creator>rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this essay years ago but it seems relevant to the current discussion:

&lt;a href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html#90" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html#90&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Three Gnostic sects flourished nearly simultaneously in the Second Century, &lt;strong&gt;all which accepted universal salvation&lt;/strong&gt;: the Basilidians, the Valentinians, and the Carpocratians....  Differing from the so-called "orthodox" Christians on many points, the three great Gnostic sects of the Second Century were in full agreement with Clement and Origen and the Alexandrine school, and probably with the great majority of Christians, in their views on human destiny. They taught the ultimate holiness and happiness of the human family, and it is noteworthy that &lt;strong&gt;though all the Gnostics advocated the final salvation of all souls, and though the orthodox fathers savagely attacked them on many points, they never reckoned their Universalism as a fault.&lt;/strong&gt; This doctrine was not obnoxious to either orthodox or heterodox in the early centuries.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this essay years ago but it seems relevant to the current discussion:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html#90" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html#90'>http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html#90</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Three Gnostic sects flourished nearly simultaneously in the Second Century, <strong>all which accepted universal salvation</strong>: the Basilidians, the Valentinians, and the Carpocratians&#8230;.  Differing from the so-called &#8220;orthodox&#8221; Christians on many points, the three great Gnostic sects of the Second Century were in full agreement with Clement and Origen and the Alexandrine school, and probably with the great majority of Christians, in their views on human destiny. They taught the ultimate holiness and happiness of the human family, and it is noteworthy that <strong>though all the Gnostics advocated the final salvation of all souls, and though the orthodox fathers savagely attacked them on many points, they never reckoned their Universalism as a fault.</strong> This doctrine was not obnoxious to either orthodox or heterodox in the early centuries.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-9004</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen! </description>
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		<title>By: Overlord_Mordax</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-9003</link>
		<dc:creator>Overlord_Mordax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh. Sounds like the best view of chirstianity I've heard so far. I think the reason this guy is being persecuted by other 'christians' is that they are trying to control people, while he is actually trying to spread "good news".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. Sounds like the best view of chirstianity I&#8217;ve heard so far. I think the reason this guy is being persecuted by other &#8216;christians&#8217; is that they are trying to control people, while he is actually trying to spread &#8220;good news&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-9001</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP: Yeah I meant to ask you about universal reconciliation in gnostic thought, because I think I remembered you mentioning something similar, but I never "got" it before. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP: Yeah I meant to ask you about universal reconciliation in gnostic thought, because I think I remembered you mentioning something similar, but I never &#8220;got&#8221; it before.</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is really amazing!  er, forgive me for pulling out the usual old canard, but it sounds like Pearson experienced gnosis without realizing just what it was.  gnosticism generally holds universalist philosophy as self-evident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is really amazing!  er, forgive me for pulling out the usual old canard, but it sounds like Pearson experienced gnosis without realizing just what it was.  gnosticism generally holds universalist philosophy as self-evident.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why would a discussion of internal neurogical function in one text be any different from those of another? they are all talking about the same neurology.f</description>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been reading your site for a while but this is my first post.  I am one of those evil Universalists who believe that as in Adam all died, so also in Christ shall all be made alive (and no, I don't necessarily believe in a literal Adam), so good for Carlton Pearson.  Feel free to check out my own site &lt;a href="http://www.drewc.net" rel="nofollow"&gt;On Universal Reconciliation&lt;/a&gt; if you are curious about some of the reasons we believe what we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading your site for a while but this is my first post.  I am one of those evil Universalists who believe that as in Adam all died, so also in Christ shall all be made alive (and no, I don&#8217;t necessarily believe in a literal Adam), so good for Carlton Pearson.  Feel free to check out my own site <a href="http://www.drewc.net" rel="nofollow">On Universal Reconciliation</a> if you are curious about some of the reasons we believe what we do.</p>
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		<title>By: TM</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-8995</link>
		<dc:creator>TM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  This is probably a better link on &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini#Kundalini_rising" rel="nofollow"&gt;kundalini&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  This is probably a better link on <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini#Kundalini_rising" rel="nofollow">kundalini</a></b>.</p>
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		<title>By: TM</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Apokatastasis &lt;/i&gt;

From the site linked: "This doctrine was explicitly taught by St. Gregory of Nyssa, and in more than one passage. It first occurs in his "De animÃ¢ et resurrectione" where, in speaking of the punishment by fire assigned to souls after death, he compares it to the process whereby gold is refined in a furnace, through being separated from the dross with which it is alloyed. The punishment by fire is not, therefore, an end in itself, but is ameliorative; the very reason of its infliction is to separate the good from the evil in the soul."

Sounds an awful lot like kundalini to me...

"Tummo fire energy shows up as rippling heat shimmers of clear light, warm and healing fire. Tummo is the clear light, heat that burns away the emotional blockages, etc. that are at the root of illness. Transmutation by fire. Tummo fire may show up as coloured, depending on what it is burning off, but in itself it is the clear light, transparent like a heat shimmer. Tummo fire is related to Kundalini heat. It is based in the solar plexus, but can show up anywhere in the body, burning off karma. (Some say it is based in the second chakra, but that is contrary to my experience.) 

&lt;a href="http://www.kundalini-teacher.com/initiations/tummo.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kundalini&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Apokatastasis </i></p>
<p>From the site linked: &#8220;This doctrine was explicitly taught by St. Gregory of Nyssa, and in more than one passage. It first occurs in his &#8220;De animÃ¢ et resurrectione&#8221; where, in speaking of the punishment by fire assigned to souls after death, he compares it to the process whereby gold is refined in a furnace, through being separated from the dross with which it is alloyed. The punishment by fire is not, therefore, an end in itself, but is ameliorative; the very reason of its infliction is to separate the good from the evil in the soul.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds an awful lot like kundalini to me&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Tummo fire energy shows up as rippling heat shimmers of clear light, warm and healing fire. Tummo is the clear light, heat that burns away the emotional blockages, etc. that are at the root of illness. Transmutation by fire. Tummo fire may show up as coloured, depending on what it is burning off, but in itself it is the clear light, transparent like a heat shimmer. Tummo fire is related to Kundalini heat. It is based in the solar plexus, but can show up anywhere in the body, burning off karma. (Some say it is based in the second chakra, but that is contrary to my experience.) </p>
<p><a href="http://www.kundalini-teacher.com/initiations/tummo.html" rel="nofollow">Kundalini</a></p>
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		<title>By: prunesquallori</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-8993</link>
		<dc:creator>prunesquallori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01599a.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Apokatastasis&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01599a.htm" rel="nofollow">Apokatastasis</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/12/19/universalism-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-8986</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I excerpted his section on the history of universalist thought in the early church, where it wasn't a heresy at all, but the standard of belief. I can't stand the scrolling interface on his site, so here is the bulk of the section in plain text:

http://www.timboucher.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1072

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I excerpted his section on the history of universalist thought in the early church, where it wasn&#8217;t a heresy at all, but the standard of belief. I can&#8217;t stand the scrolling interface on his site, so here is the bulk of the section in plain text:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timboucher.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1072" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.timboucher.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1072'>http://www.timboucher.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1072</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[&lt;strong&gt;Note&lt;/strong&gt;: his site is kind of funky in Firefox with the scrolling. You'll see what I mean. Try IE if that doesn't work for you.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[<strong>Note</strong>: his site is kind of funky in Firefox with the scrolling. You'll see what I mean. Try IE if that doesn't work for you.]</p>
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