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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>something odd and wonderful
in Bethlehem began
the holy Heart broke wide apart
and Love became a man...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>something odd and wonderful<br />
in Bethlehem began<br />
the holy Heart broke wide apart<br />
and Love became a man&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quote a Christmas song sung by those flaming radicals Perry Como, Kenny Rogers and Andy Williams (with my one inserted verse which I would like to use in my "gay Jesus" screencplay "Hunting Bears"):

Some children see Him lily white 
the infant Jesus born this night 
Some children see Him lily white 
with tresses soft and fair 

Some children see Him bronzed and brown 
the Lord of heav'n to earth come down 
Some children see Him bronzed and brown 
with dark and heavy hair ( with dark and heavy hair! ) 

Some children see Him almond-eyed 
This Saviour whom we kneel beside 
Some children see Him almond-eyed 
With skin of yellow hue! 

Some children see Him dark as they 
Sweet Mary's Son to whom we pray 
Some children see Him dark as they 
And, ah! they love Him so! 

[Some children see him holding hands
God's dear son who loves his man
Some children see him holding hands
with His beloved John]

The children in each different place 
Will see the Baby Jesus' face 
Like theirs but bright with heav'nly grace 
And filled with holy light! 

O lay aside each earthly thing 
and with thy heart as offering 
Come worship now the infant King 
'tis love that's born tonight! 

. . . 'tis love that's born tonight! 

(Words and Music by Wihla Hutson and Alfred Burt (w/ that one exception)


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quote a Christmas song sung by those flaming radicals Perry Como, Kenny Rogers and Andy Williams (with my one inserted verse which I would like to use in my &#8220;gay Jesus&#8221; screencplay &#8220;Hunting Bears&#8221;):</p>
<p>Some children see Him lily white<br />
the infant Jesus born this night<br />
Some children see Him lily white<br />
with tresses soft and fair </p>
<p>Some children see Him bronzed and brown<br />
the Lord of heav&#8217;n to earth come down<br />
Some children see Him bronzed and brown<br />
with dark and heavy hair ( with dark and heavy hair! ) </p>
<p>Some children see Him almond-eyed<br />
This Saviour whom we kneel beside<br />
Some children see Him almond-eyed<br />
With skin of yellow hue! </p>
<p>Some children see Him dark as they<br />
Sweet Mary&#8217;s Son to whom we pray<br />
Some children see Him dark as they<br />
And, ah! they love Him so! </p>
<p>[Some children see him holding hands<br />
God's dear son who loves his man<br />
Some children see him holding hands<br />
with His beloved John]</p>
<p>The children in each different place<br />
Will see the Baby Jesus&#8217; face<br />
Like theirs but bright with heav&#8217;nly grace<br />
And filled with holy light! </p>
<p>O lay aside each earthly thing<br />
and with thy heart as offering<br />
Come worship now the infant King<br />
&#8217;tis love that&#8217;s born tonight! </p>
<p>. . . &#8217;tis love that&#8217;s born tonight! </p>
<p>(Words and Music by Wihla Hutson and Alfred Burt (w/ that one exception)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Chip:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Man, I wrote a very similar post to this on my blog a couple of weeks ago, even quoting the same passage from the Gospel of Philip and coming to a very similar conclusion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you have a link to that? I'd like to read it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Chip:</p>
<blockquote><p>Man, I wrote a very similar post to this on my blog a couple of weeks ago, even quoting the same passage from the Gospel of Philip and coming to a very similar conclusion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you have a link to that? I&#8217;d like to read it!</p>
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		<title>By: channel null</title>
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		<dc:creator>channel null</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't forget the old catchphrase, "Everyone gets the Jesus they want."

I'm not so sure why there's such a brawl about JC existing historically, in Malkuth. At least four other messianic figures appeared in the Levant during that time frame--it wasn't unusual. If I remember, two were executed or killed in battle under the Pilate--who did exist, he got bad marks from historians and was so incompetent that he was recalled to rome and executed--and miracle working was something of a profession then, e.g., Simon, and Yani the Circle-Caster(I think that's his name, it's been a while) etc. Likewise, there's a passage in Josephus mentioning Jesus, but that may have been a latter addition.

With regards to the gay jesus, there is a noncanonical "Gay" scripture (attributed to another Mark?) about JC hanging out with disciples and spending all night naked with one of the males but spurning the women. There's also the childhood gospel, where JC Jr. turns people into frogs etc. for doing things like bumping into him, which was redacted for some pretty obvious reasons.

And in the final analysis, you're right, what does it matter? To subscribe to the belief that JC had to exist as a material phenomenon is to subscribe to the idea that myth matters for nothing, which furthers the Ahrimanic agenda. It's as bound to matter as "science" is. And bound to matter, those who disregard myth will die like all matter.

&lt;blockquote&gt;UK Islamic group who declared a death sentence against a playwright for depicting Jesus as â€œKing of the Queers.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's too much. This world is insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the old catchphrase, &#8220;Everyone gets the Jesus they want.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure why there&#8217;s such a brawl about JC existing historically, in Malkuth. At least four other messianic figures appeared in the Levant during that time frame&#8211;it wasn&#8217;t unusual. If I remember, two were executed or killed in battle under the Pilate&#8211;who did exist, he got bad marks from historians and was so incompetent that he was recalled to rome and executed&#8211;and miracle working was something of a profession then, e.g., Simon, and Yani the Circle-Caster(I think that&#8217;s his name, it&#8217;s been a while) etc. Likewise, there&#8217;s a passage in Josephus mentioning Jesus, but that may have been a latter addition.</p>
<p>With regards to the gay jesus, there is a noncanonical &#8220;Gay&#8221; scripture (attributed to another Mark?) about JC hanging out with disciples and spending all night naked with one of the males but spurning the women. There&#8217;s also the childhood gospel, where JC Jr. turns people into frogs etc. for doing things like bumping into him, which was redacted for some pretty obvious reasons.</p>
<p>And in the final analysis, you&#8217;re right, what does it matter? To subscribe to the belief that JC had to exist as a material phenomenon is to subscribe to the idea that myth matters for nothing, which furthers the Ahrimanic agenda. It&#8217;s as bound to matter as &#8220;science&#8221; is. And bound to matter, those who disregard myth will die like all matter.</p>
<blockquote><p>UK Islamic group who declared a death sentence against a playwright for depicting Jesus as â€œKing of the Queers.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s too much. This world is insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Stratford+</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Stratford+</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I guess there are a lot of people who deny Christ even existed"

Well I don't believe JESUS existed, but I maintain the Christ has always existed - many many problems arise when one confuses the two.  One is evidently a literary character, the other is an eternal spiritual reality.

That aside, I came to the conclusion that we are all of us already saved, and that our perception of estrangement from the Divine is only an illusion perpetuated by those who profit from this misunderstanding.

Very thoughtful post!

J+
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I guess there are a lot of people who deny Christ even existed&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I don&#8217;t believe JESUS existed, but I maintain the Christ has always existed - many many problems arise when one confuses the two.  One is evidently a literary character, the other is an eternal spiritual reality.</p>
<p>That aside, I came to the conclusion that we are all of us already saved, and that our perception of estrangement from the Divine is only an illusion perpetuated by those who profit from this misunderstanding.</p>
<p>Very thoughtful post!</p>
<p>J+</p>
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		<title>By: Who</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if someday we will have Jesus dashboard bobble headed figures for all types of people, fat Jesus, Ozzy Jesus, Japanese, Hindu, lesbian, baseball player, factory worker...  Although I know there are figurines like that they are considered blasphemous or a slap in the face to the Christian religion, but what if they were accepted as aspects of Jesus with no hurt feelings? He only died 2006 years ago (or  there abouts) so he is a fairly new godhead.  Maybe in the next 2000 years he will melt into less of a symbol to revere and bow down to and more of a light hearted and fun background relic statuette like the Buddha idols.  (I know some people do take Buddha idols seriously, but the majority of westerners don't even realize that he didn't actually have a large gut).  
The whole "Jesus Died to redeem everybody" aspect to his existence is fine, but he was a great being before he died.  Why don't we focus on that more, and the stuff he did when he was alive?  Howâ€™s about an icon of him smiling?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if someday we will have Jesus dashboard bobble headed figures for all types of people, fat Jesus, Ozzy Jesus, Japanese, Hindu, lesbian, baseball player, factory worker&#8230;  Although I know there are figurines like that they are considered blasphemous or a slap in the face to the Christian religion, but what if they were accepted as aspects of Jesus with no hurt feelings? He only died 2006 years ago (or  there abouts) so he is a fairly new godhead.  Maybe in the next 2000 years he will melt into less of a symbol to revere and bow down to and more of a light hearted and fun background relic statuette like the Buddha idols.  (I know some people do take Buddha idols seriously, but the majority of westerners don&#8217;t even realize that he didn&#8217;t actually have a large gut).<br />
The whole &#8220;Jesus Died to redeem everybody&#8221; aspect to his existence is fine, but he was a great being before he died.  Why don&#8217;t we focus on that more, and the stuff he did when he was alive?  Howâ€™s about an icon of him smiling?</p>
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		<title>By: -</title>
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		<dc:creator>-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I wonder if any one saw the film The God Who Wasn't There? http://www.thegodmovie.com/dvd.php
I guess there are a lot of people who deny Christ  even existed. Could it be we are  living in a world where no one is spiritually saved and no one is condemed? Takes the pressure off a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if any one saw the film The God Who Wasn&#8217;t There? <a href="http://www.thegodmovie.com/dvd.php" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.thegodmovie.com/dvd.php'>http://www.thegodmovie.com/dvd.php</a><br />
I guess there are a lot of people who deny Christ  even existed. Could it be we are  living in a world where no one is spiritually saved and no one is condemed? Takes the pressure off a little.</p>
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		<title>By: nemesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>nemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;. Gay Christians &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Jesus took them all by stealth,&lt;/blockquote&gt;. Only kidding, i didnt really know what universalism was untill i just read about it but that is how i would envisage jesus. I think everyone gets there in the end its just 1 minute in hell could be a millenia. J.C. hoggs the spliff by the way, that must why he was floating when i saw him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. Gay Christians </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Jesus took them all by stealth,</p></blockquote>
<p>. Only kidding, i didnt really know what universalism was untill i just read about it but that is how i would envisage jesus. I think everyone gets there in the end its just 1 minute in hell could be a millenia. J.C. hoggs the spliff by the way, that must why he was floating when i saw him.</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, stoned jesus is AWESOME!  that picture rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, stoned jesus is AWESOME!  that picture rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I wrote a very similar post to this on my blog a couple of weeks ago, even quoting the same passage from the Gospel of Philip and coming to a very similar conclusion.

In other news, &lt;a href="http://img198.echo.cx/img198/421/hippie5mh.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;all hail stoned Jesus!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I wrote a very similar post to this on my blog a couple of weeks ago, even quoting the same passage from the Gospel of Philip and coming to a very similar conclusion.</p>
<p>In other news, <a href="http://img198.echo.cx/img198/421/hippie5mh.jpg" rel="nofollow">all hail stoned Jesus!</a></p>
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		<title>By: prunesquallori</title>
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		<dc:creator>prunesquallori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shephard left the 99 sheep to look for the lost one.

Proclomations to the effect of "god is going to do this or that" say more about the speaker than anything else.

Who are we to judge? (c.f. Job)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shephard left the 99 sheep to look for the lost one.</p>
<p>Proclomations to the effect of &#8220;god is going to do this or that&#8221; say more about the speaker than anything else.</p>
<p>Who are we to judge? (c.f. Job)</p>
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