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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/01/obese-wiccans-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10785</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hebrides-- it may sound funny, coming from a person like me who actively seeks out confrontation, but I find there's more time to argue with people if you cut off the less-than-stellar arguers right away. Someone telling me that they skimmed through my article would automatically qualify them, in my mind, for a curt dismissal, since they didn't even take the time to read what I had to say all the way through.

I think wet blankets are bad because, when you are trying to stay warm, they cool you down.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hebrides&#8211; it may sound funny, coming from a person like me who actively seeks out confrontation, but I find there&#8217;s more time to argue with people if you cut off the less-than-stellar arguers right away. Someone telling me that they skimmed through my article would automatically qualify them, in my mind, for a curt dismissal, since they didn&#8217;t even take the time to read what I had to say all the way through.</p>
<p>I think wet blankets are bad because, when you are trying to stay warm, they cool you down.</p>
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		<title>By: hebrides</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/01/obese-wiccans-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10763</link>
		<dc:creator>hebrides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comps, Haeresis!

As for YOU, james!--actually, eye like wet blankets, especially when they're nice and warm and draped on the face.  Very relaxing! :)  When did we start to malign wet blankets?  (eye mean the one true wet blanket, by the way, not the other kind!--that kind of wet blanket, feel free to malign!)  
You're right, though.  The letter writer did say they'd skimmed...but it just seemed more like she stopped at the header and then skimmed through the replies because otherwise, and eye'm no authority on skimming or speed reading, but it seems to kmee, she woulda perceived the sympathetic tone of tim's  article.

Malign is my word of the week, by the way.

Skidoo.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comps, Haeresis!</p>
<p>As for YOU, james!&#8211;actually, eye like wet blankets, especially when they&#8217;re nice and warm and draped on the face.  Very relaxing! <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  When did we start to malign wet blankets?  (eye mean the one true wet blanket, by the way, not the other kind!&#8211;that kind of wet blanket, feel free to malign!)<br />
You&#8217;re right, though.  The letter writer did say they&#8217;d skimmed&#8230;but it just seemed more like she stopped at the header and then skimmed through the replies because otherwise, and eye&#8217;m no authority on skimming or speed reading, but it seems to kmee, she woulda perceived the sympathetic tone of tim&#8217;s  article.</p>
<p>Malign is my word of the week, by the way.</p>
<p>Skidoo.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/01/obese-wiccans-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10736</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be a wet blanket, but the letter writer said in the first sentence that they were skimming your article.

I would've stopped reading it right then and there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be a wet blanket, but the letter writer said in the first sentence that they were skimming your article.</p>
<p>I would&#8217;ve stopped reading it right then and there.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatima</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/01/obese-wiccans-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10734</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™ve found that the people who most strongly believe Wicca is a relihgion treat it like most religions: a soul-crushing obligation to a mythical higher power, &lt;strong&gt;all circling around a doctrine by which being powerless is redefined as powerful&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There's a LOT of that too even within the most hermetic circles of occultism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Iâ€™ve found that the people who most strongly believe Wicca is a relihgion treat it like most religions: a soul-crushing obligation to a mythical higher power, <strong>all circling around a doctrine by which being powerless is redefined as powerful</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a LOT of that too even within the most hermetic circles of occultism.</p>
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		<title>By: Haeresis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haeresis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hebrides, that was hilarious.

I vote the "no true scotsman" fallacy should be renamed "no true wiccan" in honor of this moonbat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hebrides, that was hilarious.</p>
<p>I vote the &#8220;no true scotsman&#8221; fallacy should be renamed &#8220;no true wiccan&#8221; in honor of this moonbat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, when I read the first part of this (Obese Wiccans 1), I thought you were way off base.  I've read &lt;em&gt;Urban Voodoo&lt;/em&gt;, and thought the criticism were pretty spot on.    Your letter writer, with her talk of "a true wiccan would never do anything to harm another person or even help them without their permission" is a pretty classic example of the non-Witch, a occultist scared of the occult, a magician who fears magic.  I've found that the people who most strongly believe Wicca is a relihgion treat it like most religions:  a soul-crushing obligation to a mythical higher power, all circling around a doctrine by which being powerless is redefined as powerful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, when I read the first part of this (Obese Wiccans 1), I thought you were way off base.  I&#8217;ve read <em>Urban Voodoo</em>, and thought the criticism were pretty spot on.    Your letter writer, with her talk of &#8220;a true wiccan would never do anything to harm another person or even help them without their permission&#8221; is a pretty classic example of the non-Witch, a occultist scared of the occult, a magician who fears magic.  I&#8217;ve found that the people who most strongly believe Wicca is a relihgion treat it like most religions:  a soul-crushing obligation to a mythical higher power, all circling around a doctrine by which being powerless is redefined as powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: slomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>slomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;P.S. I am fat.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

P.P.S.  I used to be thin before a fake Wiccan cast a spell on me.

P.P.P.S.  I'm worried that the fat-spell I cast on you might not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>P.S. I am fat.</p></blockquote>
<p>P.P.S.  I used to be thin before a fake Wiccan cast a spell on me.</p>
<p>P.P.P.S.  I&#8217;m worried that the fat-spell I cast on you might not work.</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Tim,

I am writing you to demonstrate every possible negative cliche about wiccans, thus lending more credibility to people who say we dont bother to think thinks through.  If someone rites you and says that wiccan is a TRUE RELIGEON  then they are NOT a true wiccan.

I do not wish for you to contact me because I do not want to have to answer questions about my very tenuous understanding of my owen religeon.  

P.S.  I am fat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tim,</p>
<p>I am writing you to demonstrate every possible negative cliche about wiccans, thus lending more credibility to people who say we dont bother to think thinks through.  If someone rites you and says that wiccan is a TRUE RELIGEON  then they are NOT a true wiccan.</p>
<p>I do not wish for you to contact me because I do not want to have to answer questions about my very tenuous understanding of my owen religeon.  </p>
<p>P.S.  I am fat.</p>
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		<title>By: slomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>slomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I won't argue that it's a good idea to use magic(k) to take revenge upon a person who torments you because of your weight (although the story in the original post was quite funny, the one about the Wiccan girl who was teased by a "mean girl" who ended up becoming even fatter).

But, um.... [addressing the angry letter-writer] Who are &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; to say what is "real" Wicca and what is not "real" Wicca?  That's like various Christians claiming that their version of Christianity is the only "true" Christianity.  I appreciate that you are finding moral or ethical fault with somebody else's practice of a religion (note the correct spelling) that appears in name to be the same as yours.  And, ethics of spell-casting (or any other form of directed prayer) are well worth serious consideration and debate.  But it really isn't up to you to judge other people.
 
*** 

I am guessing that this person is worried about the &lt;em&gt;brand&lt;/em&gt; of Wicca, and that Wicca might be perceived to be populated by bitter fat girls taking evil revenge on their tormentors.  But the fact is, Wicca is associated with certain forms of ceremonial magic(k), and to some extent getting what you want.  If she wants a religion that has a different reputation, she might consider becoming a Catholic.  All the same rites and prayers are available, plus a multiplicity of minor deities that are conveniently labelled "saints" so as not to offend the monotheistically inclined.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I won&#8217;t argue that it&#8217;s a good idea to use magic(k) to take revenge upon a person who torments you because of your weight (although the story in the original post was quite funny, the one about the Wiccan girl who was teased by a &#8220;mean girl&#8221; who ended up becoming even fatter).</p>
<p>But, um&#8230;. [addressing the angry letter-writer] Who are <em>you</em> to say what is &#8220;real&#8221; Wicca and what is not &#8220;real&#8221; Wicca?  That&#8217;s like various Christians claiming that their version of Christianity is the only &#8220;true&#8221; Christianity.  I appreciate that you are finding moral or ethical fault with somebody else&#8217;s practice of a religion (note the correct spelling) that appears in name to be the same as yours.  And, ethics of spell-casting (or any other form of directed prayer) are well worth serious consideration and debate.  But it really isn&#8217;t up to you to judge other people.</p>
<p>*** </p>
<p>I am guessing that this person is worried about the <em>brand</em> of Wicca, and that Wicca might be perceived to be populated by bitter fat girls taking evil revenge on their tormentors.  But the fact is, Wicca is associated with certain forms of ceremonial magic(k), and to some extent getting what you want.  If she wants a religion that has a different reputation, she might consider becoming a Catholic.  All the same rites and prayers are available, plus a multiplicity of minor deities that are conveniently labelled &#8220;saints&#8221; so as not to offend the monotheistically inclined.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious!!

Indeed Tim, don't bother. It was even too kind of you to think about answering back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious!!</p>
<p>Indeed Tim, don&#8217;t bother. It was even too kind of you to think about answering back!</p>
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		<title>By: Hexxenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hexxenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This person must truly be quite a scholar, what with misspelling "religion" throughout their note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This person must truly be quite a scholar, what with misspelling &#8220;religion&#8221; throughout their note.</p>
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		<title>By: hebrides</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/01/obese-wiccans-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10717</link>
		<dc:creator>hebrides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Tim,

First you make kmee so upset by putting a header on your post so eaily construed by kmee as vicious and offensive that eye could not continue reading and just had to defend m'eye perceived identity by setting you straight--and all those, eye'm just sure of it, offensive posters.  But then you add shit sprinkles to the maligning cake by posting a sequel!  Eye just don't even gno where to begin.  Eye simply ask, in the name of all Wiccans and of Wicca (well, the true Wicca, with membership in the club attained through the appropriate channels and approved rituals--no self-studiers here!), that you please cease and desist from making kmee so sad by your headings!  Also, henceforth, eye strongly suggest that you take full responsibility for all of m'eye emotional reactions and knee-jerk assumptions.  That is, after all, the reasonable thing for you to do.

Love and sprinkles,

Victiminus Moonbeam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tim,</p>
<p>First you make kmee so upset by putting a header on your post so eaily construed by kmee as vicious and offensive that eye could not continue reading and just had to defend m&#8217;eye perceived identity by setting you straight&#8211;and all those, eye&#8217;m just sure of it, offensive posters.  But then you add shit sprinkles to the maligning cake by posting a sequel!  Eye just don&#8217;t even gno where to begin.  Eye simply ask, in the name of all Wiccans and of Wicca (well, the true Wicca, with membership in the club attained through the appropriate channels and approved rituals&#8211;no self-studiers here!), that you please cease and desist from making kmee so sad by your headings!  Also, henceforth, eye strongly suggest that you take full responsibility for all of m&#8217;eye emotional reactions and knee-jerk assumptions.  That is, after all, the reasonable thing for you to do.</p>
<p>Love and sprinkles,</p>
<p>Victiminus Moonbeam</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, did that person even read the article or just the title....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, did that person even read the article or just the title&#8230;.</p>
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