Comments on: MySpace, MyReality http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:29:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Notes on the Singularity - Pop Occulture Blog http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/comment-page-1/#comment-17373 Notes on the Singularity - Pop Occulture Blog Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:11:09 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/#comment-17373 [...] I like to imagine this scenario as applied to the Singularity by way of the fictional structure of virtual reality (and maybe I’ll write a piece on this for my new Conspiracy Fiction site). It would go something like this: humanity would experience a day of rejoicing because we’ve created a technology which allows us to feel each other from the inside, a technology of universal compassion, as it were. We all eagerly line up to be fused via the new ConsciousNet into one primordial being, an Adam Kadmon, filled with the sum total of human emotion, intelligence and experience in one body. It’s hailed as the Singularity, the Second Coming of Eden. How long does that last though before we get bored? Before Adam needs a helpmate and begins shucking out ribs to create numerous companions? Or, perhaps in another scenario humanity comes together as one mind only to finally realize that an AI has existed among us without our knowing. Maybe this AI has actually purposely engineered us into its realm of pure mind - where it reigns supreme - so as to finally control us completely. I imagine the Singularity equivalent of the Tower of Babel being the AI comes to the ConsciousNet where we are all gathering together in rejoicing and scatters us all to the wind. This time instead of just confusing our languages, it scatters us each into our own private recursive virtual reality simulation, where each of us becomes solitary lonely seeds and sovereigns of a new world order. Something tells me that isn’t so different from where we are today metaphysically. Maybe the Bible doesn’t describe just a mythical past, but the spirals of the future which we will inevitably ensnare ourselves in again and again. Read Similar Articles: [...] [...] I like to imagine this scenario as applied to the Singularity by way of the fictional structure of virtual reality (and maybe I’ll write a piece on this for my new Conspiracy Fiction site). It would go something like this: humanity would experience a day of rejoicing because we’ve created a technology which allows us to feel each other from the inside, a technology of universal compassion, as it were. We all eagerly line up to be fused via the new ConsciousNet into one primordial being, an Adam Kadmon, filled with the sum total of human emotion, intelligence and experience in one body. It’s hailed as the Singularity, the Second Coming of Eden. How long does that last though before we get bored? Before Adam needs a helpmate and begins shucking out ribs to create numerous companions? Or, perhaps in another scenario humanity comes together as one mind only to finally realize that an AI has existed among us without our knowing. Maybe this AI has actually purposely engineered us into its realm of pure mind - where it reigns supreme - so as to finally control us completely. I imagine the Singularity equivalent of the Tower of Babel being the AI comes to the ConsciousNet where we are all gathering together in rejoicing and scatters us all to the wind. This time instead of just confusing our languages, it scatters us each into our own private recursive virtual reality simulation, where each of us becomes solitary lonely seeds and sovereigns of a new world order. Something tells me that isn’t so different from where we are today metaphysically. Maybe the Bible doesn’t describe just a mythical past, but the spirals of the future which we will inevitably ensnare ourselves in again and again. Read Similar Articles: [...]

]]> By: BoontDustie » Virtual Reality http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/comment-page-1/#comment-11222 BoontDustie » Virtual Reality Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:14:44 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/#comment-11222 [...] tual Reality Posted by admin in Open Discussion Tim has a new post about virtual reality, and raises a question about whether or [...] [...] tual Reality
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]]> By: fuj http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/comment-page-1/#comment-11204 fuj Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:02:20 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/#comment-11204 Great post Tim! You're asking all the right questions for us to ponderationate! I think all the possibilities you mention go hand in hand, rather than it being an either/or scenario. Mr Rogers: "Propel, propel, propel your craft Gently through liquid solution Ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically Existence is but an illusion" May I suggest our illusion is one of building simulacrum upon simulacrum? I see a humanity so out of touch with itself, that it has created itself in its own image (ring a bell?) in order to understand what is happening; this is the moment we are rushing towards. The point where the virtual reality we have created will be recognized as a reflection, and bring us all back in the game as hyperrealists. Some Baudrillard is good for the thought juices... and I'll repost this very valuable link if you don't mind: http://www.goertzel.org/books/spirit/contents.htm Great post Tim! You’re asking all the right questions for us to ponderationate! I think all the possibilities you mention go hand in hand, rather than it being an either/or scenario.

Mr Rogers:

“Propel, propel, propel your craft
Gently through liquid solution
Ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically
Existence is but an illusion”

May I suggest our illusion is one of building simulacrum upon simulacrum? I see a humanity so out of touch with itself, that it has created itself in its own image (ring a bell?) in order to understand what is happening; this is the moment we are rushing towards. The point where the virtual reality we have created will be recognized as a reflection, and bring us all back in the game as hyperrealists.

Some Baudrillard is good for the thought juices… and I’ll repost this very valuable link if you don’t mind:

http://www.goertzel.org/books/spirit/contents.htm

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/comment-page-1/#comment-11159 Tim Boucher Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:47:20 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/#comment-11159 I like where you're going with that human. Perhaps virtual reality won't be us wearing suits and goggles in a sound room. It will consist of free-floating graphics that we project around us. More along the lines of the technology they refer to as reality augmentation where you can look at somebody's outfit and in your heads-up-display you can see where they bought it and order yourself one and have it waiting at your house when you get home from work. Or else maybe HUD and free-floating graphics will allow us to design "skins" for ourselves that we can wear or that we can modify so that other people seem to be wearing them. Like you could have an option to always use realistic 3-d graphics modeling to remove the clothes of hot girls around you. Or like people would stop getting cosmetic surgery and would pay to have really good skins and 3d models implanted in their personal energy field or something. There are so many possibilities it makes my head spin. JP: The other thing to look at in 2nd Life is how you can convert the money in the game to real dollars. I plan to write more about that in my next installment. The money, marketing and data-mining angles of all this... the mystic one too is cool. I like where you’re going with that human. Perhaps virtual reality won’t be us wearing suits and goggles in a sound room. It will consist of free-floating graphics that we project around us. More along the lines of the technology they refer to as reality augmentation where you can look at somebody’s outfit and in your heads-up-display you can see where they bought it and order yourself one and have it waiting at your house when you get home from work. Or else maybe HUD and free-floating graphics will allow us to design “skins” for ourselves that we can wear or that we can modify so that other people seem to be wearing them. Like you could have an option to always use realistic 3-d graphics modeling to remove the clothes of hot girls around you. Or like people would stop getting cosmetic surgery and would pay to have really good skins and 3d models implanted in their personal energy field or something. There are so many possibilities it makes my head spin.

JP: The other thing to look at in 2nd Life is how you can convert the money in the game to real dollars. I plan to write more about that in my next installment. The money, marketing and data-mining angles of all this… the mystic one too is cool.

]]> By: BoontDustie » Virtual Reality http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/comment-page-1/#comment-11157 BoontDustie » Virtual Reality Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:29:53 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/#comment-11157 [...] tual Reality Posted by admin in Open Discussion Tim has a new post about virtual reality, and raises a question about whether or [...] [...] tual Reality
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]]> By: Identity in Crisis http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/comment-page-1/#comment-11154 Identity in Crisis Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:55:50 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/#comment-11154 The contemporary philosopher Robert Nozick has thought experiment called the "Experience Machine" which I think you would be able to apply to this line of thought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_Machine The same thoughts have occurred to me before, especially as an MMORPG veteran... The contemporary philosopher Robert Nozick has thought experiment called the “Experience Machine” which I think you would be able to apply to this line of thought:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_Machine

The same thoughts have occurred to me before, especially as an MMORPG veteran…

]]> By: human? http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/comment-page-1/#comment-11152 human? Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:44:33 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/#comment-11152 hmmm..... im thinking about it now and perhaps really, VR is not at all like what weve been pushed it was gonna be. i mean, forget about the goggles and suits and all that.... perhaps it really IS real. like..... yeah, Serial Experiments Lain. when there is no divide between the datasphere and this world (which is really a holographic datasphere anyways) and the stuff you input manifests itself physically? i dunno, i kinda see it already. and Myspace is def one of the better examples. whats so hot about creating virtual worlds when we can just mold the "real" one ;) and if you got computer skills, thats virtually a reality already. ^^thinking aloud. thanks for the thought food tim. hmmm….. im thinking about it now and perhaps really, VR is not at all like what weve been pushed it was gonna be. i mean, forget about the goggles and suits and all that…. perhaps it really IS real. like….. yeah, Serial Experiments Lain.

when there is no divide between the datasphere and this world (which is really a holographic datasphere anyways) and the stuff you input manifests itself physically? i dunno, i kinda see it already. and Myspace is def one of the better examples. whats so hot about creating virtual worlds when we can just mold the “real” one ;) and if you got computer skills, thats virtually a reality already.

^^thinking aloud. thanks for the thought food tim.

]]> By: jp http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/comment-page-1/#comment-11151 jp Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:28:34 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/#comment-11151 what i really wonder about is when you start to mix finances into the mix. for instance, i'd love to try second life, but i don't have a compatible video card ($200 at least) and don't want to shell out $9.95/mo. for the basic service. what happens when myspace starts creating 'premium' accounts for advanced, vr-like features? then some people can afford to create these virtual worlds, and some can't. we should find some kind of virtual world that's easier/cheaper to access than second life and start making avatars/meeting in 'virtual reality.' what i really wonder about is when you start to mix finances into the mix. for instance, i’d love to try second life, but i don’t have a compatible video card ($200 at least) and don’t want to shell out $9.95/mo. for the basic service. what happens when myspace starts creating ‘premium’ accounts for advanced, vr-like features? then some people can afford to create these virtual worlds, and some can’t.

we should find some kind of virtual world that’s easier/cheaper to access than second life and start making avatars/meeting in ‘virtual reality.’

]]> By: human? http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/comment-page-1/#comment-11150 human? Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:23:40 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/10/myspace-myreality/#comment-11150 dude, wait until you have a few hundred "friends" and you find yourself out and about meeting people and sayin stuff like "Oh yeah, i seen you on myspace" "Arent you one of my "friends"?" "Yo, hit me up on Myspace" etc etc, seriously, the line betweeen virtual & reality has never been more blurry. i love it. one human? dude, wait until you have a few hundred “friends” and you find yourself out and about meeting people and sayin stuff like “Oh yeah, i seen you on myspace” “Arent you one of my “friends”?” “Yo, hit me up on Myspace” etc etc, seriously, the line betweeen virtual & reality has never been more blurry.

i love it.

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