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		<title>By: Benway</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/12/debunking-philip-k-dick/comment-page-1/#comment-11341</link>
		<dc:creator>Benway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps "I recently discovered that the 'sci-fi' movie Bladerunner is based on a novel. Imagine my horror when reading the book, to discover little more than a thinly desguised attack on Christian values! How many innocent young.... " etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps &#8220;I recently discovered that the &#8217;sci-fi&#8217; movie Bladerunner is based on a novel. Imagine my horror when reading the book, to discover little more than a thinly desguised attack on Christian values! How many innocent young&#8230;. &#8221; etc</p>
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		<title>By: scott rassbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott rassbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the xians would probably *like* that about him . . . . 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can use that to your advantage.  Use the pro-life schtick to sucker them into reading it.  "Secret Grey Robed Christians Pro-Life Movement" or some such novel, would probably work to get them involved.

I think you'd have to do it Dan-Brown style.  There's a whole mysterious section of the Exegesis that no one's ever seen.  There's a bit of it that we can make reference to.  If we had a literature professor, who travels to california to see if he can make sense of PKD's reference to "Grey Robed Christians..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the xians would probably *like* that about him . . . .
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<p>You can use that to your advantage.  Use the pro-life schtick to sucker them into reading it.  &#8220;Secret Grey Robed Christians Pro-Life Movement&#8221; or some such novel, would probably work to get them involved.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;d have to do it Dan-Brown style.  There&#8217;s a whole mysterious section of the Exegesis that no one&#8217;s ever seen.  There&#8217;s a bit of it that we can make reference to.  If we had a literature professor, who travels to california to see if he can make sense of PKD&#8217;s reference to &#8220;Grey Robed Christians&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think this idea is rad.  the thing is, i don't think they'd find any major challenges to christian thought in pkd unless we somehow managed to get pkd into popular culture to the extent that the da vinci code is.  like, if oprah put 'scanner' onto her book club when the movie comes out.  

the xians latched onto dan brown because he's uber-popular.  i think pkd's probably a little too obscure for them as he currently stands.  then there's the issue of his estate, which has kind of a death-grip on his stuff, his name, his title, etc.  plus, we'd also have to be careful of what we wished for, 'cause there's some dirt out there on PKD-- for instance, was &lt;strong&gt;virulently&lt;/strong&gt; pro-life.  he even wrote a story about a future dystopia in which parents were 'aborting' their children up to the age of thirteen.  the xians would probably *like* that about him . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think this idea is rad.  the thing is, i don&#8217;t think they&#8217;d find any major challenges to christian thought in pkd unless we somehow managed to get pkd into popular culture to the extent that the da vinci code is.  like, if oprah put &#8217;scanner&#8217; onto her book club when the movie comes out.  </p>
<p>the xians latched onto dan brown because he&#8217;s uber-popular.  i think pkd&#8217;s probably a little too obscure for them as he currently stands.  then there&#8217;s the issue of his estate, which has kind of a death-grip on his stuff, his name, his title, etc.  plus, we&#8217;d also have to be careful of what we wished for, &#8217;cause there&#8217;s some dirt out there on PKD&#8211; for instance, was <strong>virulently</strong> pro-life.  he even wrote a story about a future dystopia in which parents were &#8216;aborting&#8217; their children up to the age of thirteen.  the xians would probably *like* that about him . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan brown and his lawyers are watching another team of lawyers programming a judge right now.......................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan brown and his lawyers are watching another team of lawyers programming a judge right now&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with tom cruise as the hero.................?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with tom cruise as the hero&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sparkwidget:

&lt;blockquote&gt;didnâ€™t I propose goading Jack Chick into attacking Gnosticism last year?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You certainly did. I remember it. I guess my thing with Philip K. Dick would be on a different scale, and would mainly revolve around the notion that Dick is such a mindfuck that if you tangle with him in any way, you get "laid" so to speak. 

Joe Chip:

&lt;blockquote&gt;if somone wrote an easily digestible novel called â€œthe VALIS codeâ€ in which a couple of people take a romp through the territory of the ancient roman empire uncovering dodgy historical â€œfactsâ€ about archontic conspiracy and a secretive christian â€œaramchekâ€ resistance movement, as well as iconographic evidence of an ancient satellite communicating with the gnostics via pink beams (and it was as cleverly written and suspenseful as the da vinci code)â€¦ then weâ€™d be on the brink of some kind of spiritual revolution. maybe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING. It's like, if we used PKD as the "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and then distilled it down via a super-simple formula in a tasty pop format. Blam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparkwidget:</p>
<blockquote><p>didnâ€™t I propose goading Jack Chick into attacking Gnosticism last year?</p></blockquote>
<p>You certainly did. I remember it. I guess my thing with Philip K. Dick would be on a different scale, and would mainly revolve around the notion that Dick is such a mindfuck that if you tangle with him in any way, you get &#8220;laid&#8221; so to speak. </p>
<p>Joe Chip:</p>
<blockquote><p>if somone wrote an easily digestible novel called â€œthe VALIS codeâ€ in which a couple of people take a romp through the territory of the ancient roman empire uncovering dodgy historical â€œfactsâ€ about archontic conspiracy and a secretive christian â€œaramchekâ€ resistance movement, as well as iconographic evidence of an ancient satellite communicating with the gnostics via pink beams (and it was as cleverly written and suspenseful as the da vinci code)â€¦ then weâ€™d be on the brink of some kind of spiritual revolution. maybe.</p></blockquote>
<p>I THINK YOU&#8217;RE ON TO SOMETHING. It&#8217;s like, if we used PKD as the &#8220;Holy Blood, Holy Grail&#8221; and then distilled it down via a super-simple formula in a tasty pop format. Blam!</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and seeing visions of a satellite in geosynchronous orbit beaming images of neuro-google networks all making some kind of sense..........fuck, i dropped the joint. did you see where it went? stop the car..........shit i think the seats burning. stop the car man,my ass is on fire.......fuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and seeing visions of a satellite in geosynchronous orbit beaming images of neuro-google networks all making some kind of sense&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.fuck, i dropped the joint. did you see where it went? stop the car&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.shit i think the seats burning. stop the car man,my ass is on fire&#8230;&#8230;.fuck.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>those boys aren`t going to go for such simple subterfuge.............don`t forget that robetson plays on a number of different levels. he threatened chavez for g.w.b. while wearing his mad fundy hat. you need to start at the grass roots level with people stupid enough to charge at red capes. presbyterian sunday school teachers would be my suggestion. it would need door-to-door type campaignng though. like the mormons. jack chick might be a good target because he`s a media whore, he might get blindsided by some well crafted approach.........a comic book making fun of his comic books.......hmmmmmm........using r.crumb style...........with pkd doing the mr.natural as an editorial theme weaving through the story boards. hell, you could invite the freak brothers and fritz the cat too.
smoking bible pages to see if you get high..................................................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>those boys aren`t going to go for such simple subterfuge&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.don`t forget that robetson plays on a number of different levels. he threatened chavez for g.w.b. while wearing his mad fundy hat. you need to start at the grass roots level with people stupid enough to charge at red capes. presbyterian sunday school teachers would be my suggestion. it would need door-to-door type campaignng though. like the mormons. jack chick might be a good target because he`s a media whore, he might get blindsided by some well crafted approach&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;a comic book making fun of his comic books&#8230;&#8230;.hmmmmmm&#8230;&#8230;..using r.crumb style&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..with pkd doing the mr.natural as an editorial theme weaving through the story boards. hell, you could invite the freak brothers and fritz the cat too.<br />
smoking bible pages to see if you get high&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: innocent bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>innocent bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I questioned my sanity and wondered if PKD had transferred his â€œmadnessâ€ to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's the way I felt after I finished the Exegesis... what Phil was trying to get at led him on a kind of benzine feedback loop, IMO- and after reading his notes the "horizontal hold of my reasoning "would keep slipping.

yeah! Slip a copy under the door of Pat Robertson's stall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I questioned my sanity and wondered if PKD had transferred his â€œmadnessâ€ to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the way I felt after I finished the Exegesis&#8230; what Phil was trying to get at led him on a kind of benzine feedback loop, IMO- and after reading his notes the &#8220;horizontal hold of my reasoning &#8220;would keep slipping.</p>
<p>yeah! Slip a copy under the door of Pat Robertson&#8217;s stall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sparkwidget</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparkwidget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tim - didn't I propose goading Jack Chick into attacking Gnosticism last year? These enterprises take much careful planning. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tim - didn&#8217;t I propose goading Jack Chick into attacking Gnosticism last year? These enterprises take much careful planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can u imagine Falwell or Robertson having that happen to the, or any of the other fundie bastards?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely! And those guys are really smart, in my opinion. Even though they're creepy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can u imagine Falwell or Robertson having that happen to the, or any of the other fundie bastards?</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely! And those guys are really smart, in my opinion. Even though they&#8217;re creepy!</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Eventide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Eventide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 02:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honsetly don;t think the folks are intelligent and well-red enough to even follow a PKD book...I can see brains exploding even now!
When I read Valis, I understood for the first time that mental states are transferrable through reading/writing.  I was left in an altered state for several days; I questioned my sanity and wondered if PKD had transferred his "madness" to me.
Can u imagine Falwell or Robertson having that happen to the, or any of the other fundie bastards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honsetly don;t think the folks are intelligent and well-red enough to even follow a PKD book&#8230;I can see brains exploding even now!<br />
When I read Valis, I understood for the first time that mental states are transferrable through reading/writing.  I was left in an altered state for several days; I questioned my sanity and wondered if PKD had transferred his &#8220;madness&#8221; to me.<br />
Can u imagine Falwell or Robertson having that happen to the, or any of the other fundie bastards?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Montana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Montana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instigator ;-)  I like it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instigator <img src='http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I like it!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that's nuts! i like it. unfortunately i have to wonder if pkd could ever become a pop culture phenomenon on the order of the da vinci code. but you know, if somone wrote an easily digestible novel called "the VALIS code" in which a couple of people take a romp through the territory of the ancient roman empire uncovering dodgy historical "facts" about archontic conspiracy and a secretive christian "aramchek" resistance movement, as well as iconographic evidence of an ancient satellite communicating with the gnostics via pink beams (and it was as cleverly written and suspenseful as the da vinci code)... then we'd be on the brink of some kind of spiritual revolution. maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s nuts! i like it. unfortunately i have to wonder if pkd could ever become a pop culture phenomenon on the order of the da vinci code. but you know, if somone wrote an easily digestible novel called &#8220;the VALIS code&#8221; in which a couple of people take a romp through the territory of the ancient roman empire uncovering dodgy historical &#8220;facts&#8221; about archontic conspiracy and a secretive christian &#8220;aramchek&#8221; resistance movement, as well as iconographic evidence of an ancient satellite communicating with the gnostics via pink beams (and it was as cleverly written and suspenseful as the da vinci code)&#8230; then we&#8217;d be on the brink of some kind of spiritual revolution. maybe.</p>
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