Comments on: V for Vendetta, Part 1 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:58:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Dale http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11657 Dale Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:10:36 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11657 <blockquote>Which of course creates the question of *who* is instilling secret subliminal Christian symbolism in this movie and for what ends?</blockquote> V is for VALIS?

Which of course creates the question of *who* is instilling secret subliminal Christian symbolism in this movie and for what ends?

V is for VALIS?

]]> By: james http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11647 james Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:31:19 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11647 Who is inserting Christian symbolism in the movie? The director, who is taking his cue from Alan Moore, who helped create the original graphic novel. Of course you know about Moore and what a total freak he is. And I can't wait to see this movie. I'd heard many many years ago that Terry Gilliam was going to adapt <i>The Watchmen</i> but it never came to pass. If this movie does well, let's hope that it eventually <i>The Watchmen</i> does get made. Who is inserting Christian symbolism in the movie? The director, who is taking his cue from Alan Moore, who helped create the original graphic novel.

Of course you know about Moore and what a total freak he is. And I can’t wait to see this movie. I’d heard many many years ago that Terry Gilliam was going to adapt The Watchmen but it never came to pass. If this movie does well, let’s hope that it eventually The Watchmen does get made.

]]> By: Aon http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11626 Aon Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:57:56 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11626 I don't know, man, but the mask is based on Guy Fawkes, right? Who in actuality was a pretty radical Catholic. I don’t know, man, but the mask is based on Guy Fawkes, right? Who in actuality was a pretty radical Catholic.

]]> By: Anthony Philippos http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11624 Anthony Philippos Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:19:00 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11624 The heroin is named Eve (Evie, but it's close). The heroin is named Eve (Evie, but it’s close).

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11615 Tim Boucher Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:20:48 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11615 <blockquote>I’m not sure that the actors can be held accountable for the sybolism they are hired to portray.</blockquote> Well of course. I meant to say that the people creating the movie would be the ones consciously pulling together these threads. Another good example would be that Keanu Reeves has had this stream of counter-culture hero movies, The Matrix, then Constantine, and coming up with the adaptation of A Scanner Darkly. Somebody is very intentionally maneuvering him into these positions, or at least playing off his cultural cache...

I’m not sure that the actors can be held accountable for the sybolism they are hired to portray.

Well of course. I meant to say that the people creating the movie would be the ones consciously pulling together these threads.

Another good example would be that Keanu Reeves has had this stream of counter-culture hero movies, The Matrix, then Constantine, and coming up with the adaptation of A Scanner Darkly. Somebody is very intentionally maneuvering him into these positions, or at least playing off his cultural cache…

]]> By: Earthman Xosha Rosp http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11613 Earthman Xosha Rosp Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:10:28 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11613 ...I'm not sure that the actors can be held accountable for the sybolism they are hired to portray. The director, or producer, or the various art directors, or whatever the movie equivalent of that job would be, would be the ones to look it about the high quantity of symbolism. That, and the creator of the comic book story. That story is packed with so much ambiguity, allusion, and symbolism that some of it has to be christian in nature, simply by probability - there are only so many symbols in the world, and christianity can claim almost all of them in some way or another. The wikipedia article on the books does a decent jop of covering the symbolism in the books, though I'm sure they've missed many - wikipedia is only so reliable, especially in non-mainstream materials. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_For_Vendetta …I’m not sure that the actors can be held accountable for the sybolism they are hired to portray.

The director, or producer, or the various art directors, or whatever the movie equivalent of that job would be, would be the ones to look it about the high quantity of symbolism. That, and the creator of the comic book story. That story is packed with so much ambiguity, allusion, and symbolism that some of it has to be christian in nature, simply by probability - there are only so many symbols in the world, and christianity can claim almost all of them in some way or another.

The wikipedia article on the books does a decent jop of covering the symbolism in the books, though I’m sure they’ve missed many - wikipedia is only so reliable, especially in non-mainstream materials. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_For_Vendetta

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11611 Tim Boucher Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:32:22 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11611 Another item in the symbolism chain you could follow would be the other films and roles of the people involved. The most obvious of course is that the Wachowski brothers made this movie and also the Matrix, whose underlying theme is ostensibly similar. "V" is played by Hugo Weaving who not only played Agent Smith in the Matrix movies, but also Elrond in the Lord of the Rings movies. And Natalie Portman was Queen Amidala, the mother of Luke Skywalker, who essentially brings down the Empire. It's a pretty tight little web of connections... Another item in the symbolism chain you could follow would be the other films and roles of the people involved. The most obvious of course is that the Wachowski brothers made this movie and also the Matrix, whose underlying theme is ostensibly similar. “V” is played by Hugo Weaving who not only played Agent Smith in the Matrix movies, but also Elrond in the Lord of the Rings movies. And Natalie Portman was Queen Amidala, the mother of Luke Skywalker, who essentially brings down the Empire. It’s a pretty tight little web of connections…

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11610 Tim Boucher Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:20:42 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11610 Which of course creates the question of *who* is instilling secret subliminal Christian symbolism in this movie and for what ends? Which of course creates the question of *who* is instilling secret subliminal Christian symbolism in this movie and for what ends?

]]> By: Earthman Xosha Rosp http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11609 Earthman Xosha Rosp Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:11:07 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11609 It seems to me that most symbolic movies & books tend to place all the symbols in the right places - where your description puts the symbols associated with both good or evil on both sides... Especially the extensive scattering of christian mythology. While I didn't see the movie thinking in that way, it seems to me like its less symbolic christianity and more subliminal christianity - flooding us with half-noticed christian symbolism, in order to later provoke thought and concideration of the religion, or at least get it into our minds in some way - and the fact that we're talking about it says that it worked. It seems to me that most symbolic movies & books tend to place all the symbols in the right places - where your description puts the symbols associated with both good or evil on both sides… Especially the extensive scattering of christian mythology.

While I didn’t see the movie thinking in that way, it seems to me like its less symbolic christianity and more subliminal christianity - flooding us with half-noticed christian symbolism, in order to later provoke thought and concideration of the religion, or at least get it into our minds in some way - and the fact that we’re talking about it says that it worked.

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11607 Tim Boucher Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:02:09 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta/#comment-11607 Couple other trails to follow: - <a href="http://www.shadowgalaxy.net/Vendetta/whov.html" rel="nofollow">V for Vendetta Analysis: Who is V?</a> I don't actually know that this even correlates to our letter "V", but there's a Hebrew letter I often see mentioned in occult circles: vav http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vav http://www.inner.org/hebleter/vav.htm Couple other trails to follow:

- V for Vendetta Analysis: Who is V?

I don’t actually know that this even correlates to our letter “V”, but there’s a Hebrew letter I often see mentioned in occult circles: vav

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vav
http://www.inner.org/hebleter/vav.htm

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