Comments on: V for Vendetta, Part 3 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:50:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-11741 Tim Boucher Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:24:08 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/#comment-11741 <a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/13/the-empire-never-ends/" rel="nofollow">The Empire Never Ends</a> The Empire Never Ends

]]> By: N.M http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-11740 N.M Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:20:30 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/#comment-11740 A great example of this type of political futility that I recently saw was a documentary called "Excellent Cadavers" about the historical struggle of Italians in battling the mafia in politics. No matter what steps they have taken in changing the Italian judical law in deaths and blood, they will always have a Burlusconi to change the laws back in favor of the established order. A great example of this type of political futility that I recently saw was a documentary called “Excellent Cadavers” about the historical struggle of Italians in battling the mafia in politics.

No matter what steps they have taken in changing the Italian judical law in deaths and blood, they will always have a Burlusconi to change the laws back in favor of the established order.

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-11739 Tim Boucher Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:05:18 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/#comment-11739 Great points. Or take a look at the crazy atrocities that happened after the French Revolution, which paralleled or exceed the excesses of the monarchy when it comes to violence. Great points. Or take a look at the crazy atrocities that happened after the French Revolution, which paralleled or exceed the excesses of the monarchy when it comes to violence.

]]> By: N.M http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-11737 N.M Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:59:46 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/#comment-11737 The idea of revolution is best summed up in Animal Farm... The pig will always become the farmer. For example in V... What happens after the closing credits? Who's to say that the third in line of the facist party, whom didn't die at the hands of V, simply just take on the torch? The same of the WU, the realisation that you want to destroy the establishment, but offer no stable alternative other than anarchy. Anarchy then falls into the plans of prior establishment which holds their power in order out of chaos. Assuming then, that you do take the riens of government and want to turn the tides of years of facist-corporate order, you enevitably must establish a benevolent dictatorship to change all of the military-industrial and finaancial constructs established by the old order... thus comming back to your double bind that again... You end up being the farmer playing cards at the table. The idea of revolution is best summed up in Animal Farm… The pig will always become the farmer.

For example in V… What happens after the closing credits? Who’s to say that the third in line of the facist party, whom didn’t die at the hands of V, simply just take on the torch?

The same of the WU, the realisation that you want to destroy the establishment, but offer no stable alternative other than anarchy. Anarchy then falls into the plans of prior establishment which holds their power in order out of chaos.

Assuming then, that you do take the riens of government and want to turn the tides of years of facist-corporate order, you enevitably must establish a benevolent dictatorship to change all of the military-industrial and finaancial constructs established by the old order… thus comming back to your double bind that again…

You end up being the farmer playing cards at the table.

]]> By: Stu Hood http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-11711 Stu Hood Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:59:50 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/#comment-11711 Another interesting thing is a survey we were handed when we walked into the theatre asking whether we were "Liberal, Moderate or Conservative" and whether we'd buy the movie and so on. This was in Toronto at a Famous Players cinema. Another interesting thing is a survey we were handed when we walked into the theatre asking whether we were “Liberal, Moderate or Conservative” and whether we’d buy the movie and so on. This was in Toronto at a Famous Players cinema.

]]> By: Stu Hood http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-11710 Stu Hood Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:54:51 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/#comment-11710 I watched V for Vendetta over the weekend and mostly noticed its similarities to Brazil, 1984 and Equilibrium. Having learned that the comic book was published in the early 80s, I gave it more props for not just being a rip-off of other stories. I watched The Weather Underground about a year ago, and I didn't link the two movies together until I read your site, but I did liken the potential effect of V for Vendetta with The Corporation (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/), which was a real eye opener for me and more than just cathartic. As for V's effect, I agree and don't think many people's eyes will be opened to the realities of the world by watching a fictional blockbuster filled with poetic cliches. I think it might nudge a few people who may be leaning left, but until most people's lives are in actual danger they propably won't care less about going out of their way to stand up against injustice. I watched V for Vendetta over the weekend and mostly noticed its similarities to Brazil, 1984 and Equilibrium. Having learned that the comic book was published in the early 80s, I gave it more props for not just being a rip-off of other stories.

I watched The Weather Underground about a year ago, and I didn’t link the two movies together until I read your site, but I did liken the potential effect of V for Vendetta with The Corporation (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/), which was a real eye opener for me and more than just cathartic.

As for V’s effect, I agree and don’t think many people’s eyes will be opened to the realities of the world by watching a fictional blockbuster filled with poetic cliches. I think it might nudge a few people who may be leaning left, but until most people’s lives are in actual danger they propably won’t care less about going out of their way to stand up against injustice.

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-11662 Tim Boucher Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:44:56 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/03/20/v-for-vendetta-part-3/#comment-11662 For the adventurous bittorent people out there, here are two possibles: http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3293466 http://www.greylodge.org/gpc/?p=137 This also might be worth listening to: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/05/1821243 For the adventurous bittorent people out there, here are two possibles:

http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3293466
http://www.greylodge.org/gpc/?p=137

This also might be worth listening to:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/05/1821243

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