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The Demise of the White Race
The other day, a couple of running conversations on this site converged abruptly with some (to me) startling revelations. On my post about the Conservative Christian megachurches cropping up in Seattle, Alistair pointed out that strict conservative Christian value systems point largely to one thing:
Preserving the white race.
Look at the social issues that these churches often stand for: homosexuality is bad, families are of the utmost importance, females should be subservient, abortion should be illegal. Now, the particulars of those can be argued in a lot of different directions. But if you have a vigorously heterosexual society where women aren’t allowed much control, and families are highly valued and abortions are outlawed, what do you end up with?
Babies! And lots of em.
Alistair suggests that this is some kind of societal defense mechanism triggered because white Euro-American birth rates are dropping and have been for a long time. Very interesting interpretation of what’s usually painted as strictly spiritual issues. When you pull DNA that picture it becomes a bit clearer, doesn’t it? Of course, this raises the question of are conservative Christian churches *intentionally* trying to protect the white race, or is this some kind of deep-seated unconscious manifestation of a tribal undercurrent?
Speaking of currents, this issue converges quite neatly with our recent conversations about immigration and race in America. I was pretty surprised to see a lot of people adamantly opposed to immigration, not just on legal or philosophical grounds, but simply because they are worried about us (White America) being “breeded out” by people of darker complexions.
Personally, I don’t care what race my descendents are, or what race the people around them are. But it seems to be a really hot-button issue, and hence worth exploring in closer detail. Are people really fearful that caucasians may eventually go the way of the dodo? Why is that such a big deal as long as the torches of Truth, Beauty and Humanity are carried forward by whoever is willing and able to do so? I guess I see it as sort of a relay-race where we all play our part when it’s our turn, but I’m curious to understand alternate viewpoints on this.
Also, one other half-tangent to throw into the mix here: do you think it’s any coincidence that the immigration issues are being pushed into the forefront at the same time as a lot of these conservative Christian issues? Where is it all coming from? Is it orchestrated, a spontaneous genetic reaction, or some kind of miscegenated mix of the two?
May 9th, 2006 at 2:11 am
It’s genetic alright, but it’s nothing to do with race.
Subjugation of women is all about uncreative, unattractive, or otherwise unfit men securing, by force, the “right” to produce offspring.
I’m not kidding.
When your ancestors have made it a practice to get what they want through brute force and cunning rather than beauty, subtlety and wit, it’s bound to be written on your face.
Of course, there are other ways than force to get what you want. Some men try gifts, (and some women take advantage of this). Others try skill at words. Others try kindness.
May 9th, 2006 at 7:17 am
I think it’s partially a biological trait - a survival mechanism.
Ethnic groups are always fighting to be on top or maintain their dominance - especially in this day and age. This nation was created by and originally made for Protestants of European descent. Although that has changed drastically, they are still the ethnic group in power. Neither Native Americans or African Americans were ever factored into the equation. The result of that legacy is the impoverished reservation system and the ghettoized prison system, where about 44% of the nearly 2 million prisoners are African American (but AA’s only account for 12% of US population). So are our immigration policies. It’s not much different in Europe. Hence the rioting in France, recent bombings in the UK…
Regarding the breeding issues - I’m with Alistair on this one. Breeding is, on the most basic level, about reproducing your own kind, perpetuation of the species. But since many humans have this fucked up idea about the importance of “race” reproduction becomes a really ugly issue, one filled with ideas of racial purity, social and genetic engineering - cybergenetics. Hmm. It makes me think of all kinds of scary thoughts. O brave new world!
It’s also interesting that in the States there is a recent trend for white, middle-class families to flee the dangerous, urban (and much more “colorful”) cities for peace and quiet in newly created suburbs (called exurbs - b/c some newly created burbs are actually the suburbs of suburbs). Apparently it’s the WOMEN promoting this move - declaring that they don’t want their children to grow up in places like the city. I remember reading that in the NYT some months ago.
May 9th, 2006 at 7:58 am
For some strange reason I have always felt obligated, when and if I do decide to pass on my genes to a new generation, to do so with a woman of a different race. I’ve always kinda felt like I should be responsible for some muddying of the gene pool. Is that weird?
May 9th, 2006 at 8:00 am
I think a lot of white evangelicals are subsonciously or even consciously racist - but that doesn’t explain it. The leaders of these churches are about building membership. A friend of mine is an anti-immigration evangelical and he complains about how these conservative churches are in love with preaching to the Hispanics. The churches see a great marketing opportunity in non-whites. Furthermore, internationally, non-whites are the big growth market too. Christianity has almost always put money and membership before race and they will continue to do so.
Another thing, there are quite a few white supremacist who have embraced Nordic paganism as a spiritual response to declining white birth rates. This makes more sense than embracing the universalist, multi-racialist creed of Christianity.
May 9th, 2006 at 11:24 am
Scherzo, that’s a good point that I totally overlooked. It does seem like the most conservative Christian groups are also the groups who do the most overseas evangelization and missionary work (which to me seems a lot like modern colonialism). How does that fit into or change the questions asked above?
Nico also said something interesting above about white middle class people fleeing the cities. I don’t know if that’s necessarily new, but it’s a weird thing to juxtapose with the current trends among a large segment of white youth to adopt black culture, music, language and fashion (which I guess itself is also nothing new). Maybe what other cultural groups are missing is the heavy media presence and influence that African Americans have nowadays.
I’ll have to find it, but there is some good stuff on this sort of psychology out there, exogamous (going outside your tribe) versus endogamous (staying within) breeding, and why each one happens and the psychological profiles they engender.
May 9th, 2006 at 11:25 am
I also just wanted to point out the weird advertisement which Google is automatically serving at the top of the page:
May 9th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
Hey that me! The Gen X-Z slacker mom! And I have had three kids who have inheirited my mutations for iconoclasm, individuality, creativity, and love. They may look white, but I bet anthing they’re really human.
Many years ago, my second husband was a beautiful black man. We talked all the time about having kids (never did, he had some medical and mental problems as the result of a racial attack when he was in the coast guard which he refused to deal with and I finally had to leave). We noticed how excptionally smart and beautiful many mixed-race children can be- also having experienced predudice ourselves we figured “how can you hate anybody when you are a mix of Black, Chinese, Celtic, French, American and Asian Indian, and Gypsy among others?” I think most white people’s heads would explode if they knew that the odds of them being ‘pure of blood’ in these here united states was next to nil. And spawning them doesn’t nescessarily mean you get to keep ‘em in the fold. My middle-class enviromentalist/liberal parents raised myself, a hippie punk spiritual anarchist who would rather be poor than be a cog in the fascist industrial wheel, my second sister is a rich yuppie babe married to a nuke engineer, and my youngest sister is one of those white supremist nazi wanna-bes who identifies only with the german blood (oh so very little) in the family while blithely ignoring the gypsy and native american descent on my dad’s side which would have fatally screwed up her 7 generations of proven racial purity in Hitler’s jolly olde reich.
And Kylark, I love your comment, it so true. The men most concerned with controlling women are the ones who couldn’t get laid at all if women really had any freedom to decide. And they know it. That’s one of the reasons we’re in this mess now, why do you think the PTB NEED prostitutes and children, people who can’t refuse them, I mean it’s not like most of them are very attractive in any way to begin with and I bet they’re pretty nasty in bed too, not to mention those scintillating personalities that they all seem to posess…
What I hate is when some women are ‘persuaded’ to buy into this crap and support it, denying that they deserve a political voice and trying to isolate their children in white X-tian schools in lily-white suburbs because they might wind up appreciating someone else’s culture (or maybe the REAL american culture) otherwise. Recently heard of a guy (sister-in-law’s boyfriend) who was leaving the baptist church and his wife after all these years; one of his motivations was that he found out his wife had secretly given all of their mutual life savings(considerable; he is a computer engineer) to their preacher for the church building fund. He went to check his bank statements one day and SURPRISE! “But the preacher told me God needs it more than us”,she says in her defense. (We need another concrete bunker for Jeez-us!, I guess male minister trumps husband in this little game). And I’ve known a couple of women raised in that kind of enviroment who are so fucked up now thinking that the childhood physical and sexual abuse they endured from fathers and grandfathers (which transferred over to their husbands when they left the house) was somehow their fault, that they deserved it for either being women or going against Jeez-us and Gawd. Some messed-up puppies there…and I can’t say much for their mothering skills either. Wonder if they have any questions about systemic childhood abuse on that ’slackermom’ questionaire…somehow I don’t think so.
Oh well.Here’s to a open-minded, multi-racial, multi-cultural world! Juno
May 9th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Yah, I dunno about the mixed-race thing. As a mixed-race person (and gay also) I find it extremely difficult to identify as/with any one thing.
On second thought, maybe that’s not so bad after all. (And probably why I hang around here). But it does bring with it a heap of emotional baggage that sometimes I’d rather not deal with.
May 9th, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Hm, is that what we are - a collection of people who can’t seem to identify with any *one* thing?
May 9th, 2006 at 6:00 pm
I thought that the american immigrant forefathers used religion to claim dominance over
less godly people and proceed to enslave them in the name of christianity, quite ironic when you consider that we most probably all came out of africa. I wonder if theres some deep seated self hate complex going on and some religions offer a vessel for this complex. I should imagine spirit knows not creed.
May 9th, 2006 at 9:45 pm
I thought we all came from outer space?
May 10th, 2006 at 9:49 am
No, thats just me tim….isnt it?
May 10th, 2006 at 4:36 pm
I think it’s all a matter of perception, really. My great grandparents were ‘white’ but faced a huge amount of discrimination all the same- esp on the Italian side, where they were pretty dark-skinned.
Bloom’s “Lucifer principle” I thought did a good job of explaining the mechanisms behind this sort of behavior.