Bloom’s “Lucifer principle” I thought did a good job of explaining the mechanisms behind this sort of behavior.

I thought we all came from outer space?

No, thats just me tim….isnt it?

quite ironic when you consider that we most probably all came out of africa

I thought we all came from outer space?

On second thought, maybe that’s not so bad after all. (And probably why I hang around here). But it does bring with it a heap of emotional baggage that sometimes I’d rather not deal with.

Many years ago, my second husband was a beautiful black man. We talked all the time about having kids (never did, he had some medical and mental problems as the result of a racial attack when he was in the coast guard which he refused to deal with and I finally had to leave). We noticed how excptionally smart and beautiful many mixed-race children can be- also having experienced predudice ourselves we figured “how can you hate anybody when you are a mix of Black, Chinese, Celtic, French, American and Asian Indian, and Gypsy among others?” I think most white people’s heads would explode if they knew that the odds of them being ‘pure of blood’ in these here united states was next to nil. And spawning them doesn’t nescessarily mean you get to keep ‘em in the fold. My middle-class enviromentalist/liberal parents raised myself, a hippie punk spiritual anarchist who would rather be poor than be a cog in the fascist industrial wheel, my second sister is a rich yuppie babe married to a nuke engineer, and my youngest sister is one of those white supremist nazi wanna-bes who identifies only with the german blood (oh so very little) in the family while blithely ignoring the gypsy and native american descent on my dad’s side which would have fatally screwed up her 7 generations of proven racial purity in Hitler’s jolly olde reich.

And Kylark, I love your comment, it so true. The men most concerned with controlling women are the ones who couldn’t get laid at all if women really had any freedom to decide. And they know it. That’s one of the reasons we’re in this mess now, why do you think the PTB NEED prostitutes and children, people who can’t refuse them, I mean it’s not like most of them are very attractive in any way to begin with and I bet they’re pretty nasty in bed too, not to mention those scintillating personalities that they all seem to posess…
What I hate is when some women are ‘persuaded’ to buy into this crap and support it, denying that they deserve a political voice and trying to isolate their children in white X-tian schools in lily-white suburbs because they might wind up appreciating someone else’s culture (or maybe the REAL american culture) otherwise. Recently heard of a guy (sister-in-law’s boyfriend) who was leaving the baptist church and his wife after all these years; one of his motivations was that he found out his wife had secretly given all of their mutual life savings(considerable; he is a computer engineer) to their preacher for the church building fund. He went to check his bank statements one day and SURPRISE! “But the preacher told me God needs it more than us”,she says in her defense. (We need another concrete bunker for Jeez-us!, I guess male minister trumps husband in this little game). And I’ve known a couple of women raised in that kind of enviroment who are so fucked up now thinking that the childhood physical and sexual abuse they endured from fathers and grandfathers (which transferred over to their husbands when they left the house) was somehow their fault, that they deserved it for either being women or going against Jeez-us and Gawd. Some messed-up puppies there…and I can’t say much for their mothering skills either. Wonder if they have any questions about systemic childhood abuse on that ’slackermom’ questionaire…somehow I don’t think so.

Oh well.Here’s to a open-minded, multi-racial, multi-cultural world! Juno

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Nico also said something interesting above about white middle class people fleeing the cities. I don’t know if that’s necessarily new, but it’s a weird thing to juxtapose with the current trends among a large segment of white youth to adopt black culture, music, language and fashion (which I guess itself is also nothing new). Maybe what other cultural groups are missing is the heavy media presence and influence that African Americans have nowadays.

For some strange reason I have always felt obligated, when and if I do decide to pass on my genes to a new generation, to do so with a woman of a different race.

I’ll have to find it, but there is some good stuff on this sort of psychology out there, exogamous (going outside your tribe) versus endogamous (staying within) breeding, and why each one happens and the psychological profiles they engender.

Another thing, there are quite a few white supremacist who have embraced Nordic paganism as a spiritual response to declining white birth rates. This makes more sense than embracing the universalist, multi-racialist creed of Christianity.

Ethnic groups are always fighting to be on top or maintain their dominance - especially in this day and age. This nation was created by and originally made for Protestants of European descent. Although that has changed drastically, they are still the ethnic group in power. Neither Native Americans or African Americans were ever factored into the equation. The result of that legacy is the impoverished reservation system and the ghettoized prison system, where about 44% of the nearly 2 million prisoners are African American (but AA’s only account for 12% of US population). So are our immigration policies. It’s not much different in Europe. Hence the rioting in France, recent bombings in the UK…

Regarding the breeding issues - I’m with Alistair on this one. Breeding is, on the most basic level, about reproducing your own kind, perpetuation of the species. But since many humans have this fucked up idea about the importance of “race” reproduction becomes a really ugly issue, one filled with ideas of racial purity, social and genetic engineering - cybergenetics. Hmm. It makes me think of all kinds of scary thoughts. O brave new world!

It’s also interesting that in the States there is a recent trend for white, middle-class families to flee the dangerous, urban (and much more “colorful”) cities for peace and quiet in newly created suburbs (called exurbs - b/c some newly created burbs are actually the suburbs of suburbs). Apparently it’s the WOMEN promoting this move - declaring that they don’t want their children to grow up in places like the city. I remember reading that in the NYT some months ago.

Subjugation of women is all about uncreative, unattractive, or otherwise unfit men securing, by force, the “right” to produce offspring.

I’m not kidding.

When your ancestors have made it a practice to get what they want through brute force and cunning rather than beauty, subtlety and wit, it’s bound to be written on your face.

Of course, there are other ways than force to get what you want. Some men try gifts, (and some women take advantage of this). Others try skill at words. Others try kindness.