Comments on: Tom’s of Maine In Bed With Colgate http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:18:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Assimilating Black Protest Leaders - Pop Occulture http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-17021 Assimilating Black Protest Leaders - Pop Occulture Mon, 29 May 2006 23:06:48 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-17021 [...] Another really interesting bit from that Eldridge Cleaver interview. This time, he is talking about how the black social movements got deconstructed or subverted when their leaders became politicized. Another very interesting look at how the opposition gets sucked up and assimilated (See this post for more): […] but we have a problem which is a political problem because when the laws were passed to open up the political arena for black people the most visible leaders and the ones who were able to get those jobs were our protest leaders so what they did, they took our protest machinery and transformed it into their personal political machinery to get them reelected which stripped the black community of any kind of organizational machinery and consequently it left us floundering and treading water in a miserable state. [...] [...] Another really interesting bit from that Eldridge Cleaver interview. This time, he is talking about how the black social movements got deconstructed or subverted when their leaders became politicized. Another very interesting look at how the opposition gets sucked up and assimilated (See this post for more): […] but we have a problem which is a political problem because when the laws were passed to open up the political arena for black people the most visible leaders and the ones who were able to get those jobs were our protest leaders so what they did, they took our protest machinery and transformed it into their personal political machinery to get them reelected which stripped the black community of any kind of organizational machinery and consequently it left us floundering and treading water in a miserable state. [...]

]]> By: DearKomMissiar http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-14308 DearKomMissiar Fri, 19 May 2006 12:54:15 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-14308 A piece of AMBER, wow JK, do you know what the meaning of that is in the revelations? And I'm not talking about bugs. A piece of AMBER, wow JK, do you know what the meaning of that is in the revelations? And I’m not talking about bugs.

]]> By: DearKomMissiar http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-14307 DearKomMissiar Fri, 19 May 2006 12:49:15 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-14307 Like in a Petri dish. Like in a Petri dish.

]]> By: DearKomMissiar http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-14306 DearKomMissiar Fri, 19 May 2006 12:47:00 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-14306 Hey! Marilyn did a commercial on Colgate in one of her movies....I think we're bridging a link here somewhere.... hahahahahahaaa.... Hey! Marilyn did a commercial on Colgate in one of her movies….I think we’re bridging a link here somewhere…. hahahahahahaaa….

]]> By: DearKomMissiar http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-14305 DearKomMissiar Fri, 19 May 2006 12:45:23 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-14305 And I must be Mary the Black Cherry huh? But the last time I checked, I was shining at the core. So I can't be that evil anymore. Just a minor burning off of surface impurities...I will be just fine! And I must be Mary the Black Cherry huh? But the last time I checked, I was shining at the core. So I can’t be that evil anymore. Just a minor burning off of surface impurities…I will be just fine!

]]> By: DearKomMissiar http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-14304 DearKomMissiar Fri, 19 May 2006 12:41:40 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-14304 My mom's name was strawberry. Hehehe. It's pronounced yagoda in my language. But she was named Yaga. Baba Yaga hahahaha. My mom’s name was strawberry. Hehehe. It’s pronounced yagoda in my language. But she was named Yaga. Baba Yaga hahahaha.

]]> By: slomo http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-14020 slomo Thu, 18 May 2006 22:01:31 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-14020 I've been gradually trying to wean myself off of bullshit products. Unfortunately, I still use Tom's toothpaste, since it has the least bullshit additives on the shelf (but is the most expensive!). Anybody know anything about using just baking soda to brush your teeth? Should you include anything else? Does it freshen breath also? What about the fluoride issue? I'm not so eager to put more fillings in my mouth. What is a good substitute for aluminum-based antiperspirant? How about shampoo? I might add that I've been trying to use less shampoo, but if I use too little I get horrible dandruff. I know Ran has a post about this, saying it took about a month for his body to adjust, but I can't afford to bring snowstorms into meetings for the next month. It is <em>really</em> difficult to live organically and healthy! And you usually end up paying quite a bit more for the efforts. I’ve been gradually trying to wean myself off of bullshit products.

Unfortunately, I still use Tom’s toothpaste, since it has the least bullshit additives on the shelf (but is the most expensive!). Anybody know anything about using just baking soda to brush your teeth? Should you include anything else? Does it freshen breath also? What about the fluoride issue? I’m not so eager to put more fillings in my mouth.

What is a good substitute for aluminum-based antiperspirant? How about shampoo?

I might add that I’ve been trying to use less shampoo, but if I use too little I get horrible dandruff. I know Ran has a post about this, saying it took about a month for his body to adjust, but I can’t afford to bring snowstorms into meetings for the next month.

It is really difficult to live organically and healthy! And you usually end up paying quite a bit more for the efforts.

]]> By: juno jones http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-13906 juno jones Thu, 18 May 2006 21:06:40 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-13906 Yeah, been noticing the trends. Actually kinda predicted them as huge conglomerates were sure to sooner or later notice the number of consumers opting for odwalla juices (now coca-cola), Annie's box dinners, Ben and Jerry's ( in which I have noticed the introduction of corn syrup and hydrogenated bullshit), Toms of Maine (damn, I use the stuff) and others. I guess I sort of naively thought that they might take it as a message of what their products could and should be. WRONG! (oh forgive me my innocence) It has simply become another brand line and we have identified with it..all those other toothpastes are itchy (thanks, substance M...)...what do you want to bet that soon they don't even have to tell us what is in something because somehow it would undermine national security AND trade secrets I'm just about ready to go live on rice, beans,goat cheese and other slow foods. (In retrospect, I've forgiven myself for spending 20 years of my life cooking in fine food restaurants for mebbe 50 cents more an hour than the illegals working next to me...at least I can cook real food!) I'll brush my damn teeth with plain baking soda, thank you! What I really regret is losing a cookbook I once owned that was published in the early 20th century which had recipies for soap, toothpaste, herbal medicines, etc etc. I think it might be time to pull out the old recipies (but not the ones for jello molds. They are still a little funky for my tastes :) )... My dad grew up on a farm in Il which had no reliable eletricity until the '50's. In one generation's time we are about to collapse in our own footprint. Yeah, I'm a little worried. Take care, guys, Juno Yeah, been noticing the trends. Actually kinda predicted them as huge conglomerates were sure to sooner or later notice the number of consumers opting for odwalla juices (now coca-cola), Annie’s box dinners, Ben and Jerry’s ( in which I have noticed the introduction of corn syrup and hydrogenated bullshit), Toms of Maine (damn, I use the stuff) and others. I guess I sort of naively thought that they might take it as a message of what their products could and should be. WRONG! (oh forgive me my innocence) It has simply become another brand line and we have identified with it..all those other toothpastes are itchy (thanks, substance M…)…what do you want to bet that soon they don’t even have to tell us what is in something because somehow it would undermine national security AND trade secrets I’m just about ready to go live on rice, beans,goat cheese and other slow foods. (In retrospect, I’ve forgiven myself for spending 20 years of my life cooking in fine food restaurants for mebbe 50 cents more an hour than the illegals working next to me…at least I can cook real food!) I’ll brush my damn teeth with plain baking soda, thank you! What I really regret is losing a cookbook I once owned that was published in the early 20th century which had recipies for soap, toothpaste, herbal medicines, etc etc. I think it might be time to pull out the old recipies (but not the ones for jello molds. They are still a little funky for my tastes :) )… My dad grew up on a farm in Il which had no reliable eletricity until the ’50’s. In one generation’s time we are about to collapse in our own footprint. Yeah, I’m a little worried. Take care, guys, Juno

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-13876 Tim Boucher Thu, 18 May 2006 18:45:51 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-13876 Yeah that guy is one of my all time favorites Yeah that guy is one of my all time favorites

]]> By: prnsqlr http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-13857 prnsqlr Thu, 18 May 2006 18:36:58 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-13857 John Taylor Gatto's book is fascinating. Highly recommended, to anybody. John Taylor Gatto’s book is fascinating.

Highly recommended, to anybody.

]]> By: Bitscape http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-13773 Bitscape Thu, 18 May 2006 17:56:15 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-13773 The same thing has happened with the overwhelming majority of companies that produce "organic" or "natural" foods. Check out this graph: http://bitscape.org/2006/03/16.html Independence is an illusion. It's all owned by the corporate state. The same thing has happened with the overwhelming majority of companies that produce “organic” or “natural” foods. Check out this graph:

http://bitscape.org/2006/03/16.html

Independence is an illusion. It’s all owned by the corporate state.

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-13616 Tim Boucher Thu, 18 May 2006 16:39:06 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-13616 I think this bit from John Taylor Gatto couldn't be more relevant: http://www.noogenesis.com/malama/ignorance/Gatto.html <blockquote>"....The next step came in 1890, when Andrew Carnegie wrote eleven essays, called The Gospel of Wealth. <strong>In it he said that capitalism (free enterprise) was stone cold dead in the United States. </strong>It had been killed by its own success. That men like himself, Mr. Morgan, and Mr. Rockefeller now owned everything. They owned the government. <strong>Competition was impossible unless they allowed it.</strong> Which, human nature being what it is, was a problematical thing. Carnegie said that this was a very dangerous situation, because eventually young people will become aware of this and form clandestine organizations to work against it. Ultimately they'll bring down this edifice. You've got to read all eleven essays, sometimes several times, and only then the majesty of the design emerges. Carnegie proposed that men of wealth re-establish a <strong>synthetic free enterprise system</strong> (since the real one was no longer possible) based on cradle-to-grave schooling. The people who advanced most successfully in the schooling that was available to everyone would be given licenses to lead profitable lives, they would be given jobs and promotions and that a large part of the economy had to be tied directly to schooling."</blockquote> And another: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/8n.htm <blockquote>Willard suggested the familiar American competitive system "is not necessarily meant for all eternity." Business was wisely overthrowing competitive wastefulness which produced only "panic, overproduction, bad distribution and uncertainty, replacing it with protected privilege for elected producers." [...] In 1900, in his book Corporations and the Public Welfare, James Dill warned that the most critical social question of the day was figuring out how to get rid of the small entrepreneur, yet at the same time retain his loyalty "to a system based on private enterprise."</blockquote> It just goes on and on like that. We're now living in a system a hundred years after that. I think this bit from John Taylor Gatto couldn’t be more relevant:

http://www.noogenesis.com/malama/ignorance/Gatto.html

“….The next step came in 1890, when Andrew Carnegie wrote eleven essays, called The Gospel of Wealth. In it he said that capitalism (free enterprise) was stone cold dead in the United States. It had been killed by its own success. That men like himself, Mr. Morgan, and Mr. Rockefeller now owned everything. They owned the government. Competition was impossible unless they allowed it. Which, human nature being what it is, was a problematical thing.

Carnegie said that this was a very dangerous situation, because eventually young people will become aware of this and form clandestine organizations to work against it. Ultimately they’ll bring down this edifice. You’ve got to read all eleven essays, sometimes several times, and only then the majesty of the design emerges. Carnegie proposed that men of wealth re-establish a synthetic free enterprise system (since the real one was no longer possible) based on cradle-to-grave schooling. The people who advanced most successfully in the schooling that was available to everyone would be given licenses to lead profitable lives, they would be given jobs and promotions and that a large part of the economy had to be tied directly to schooling.”

And another:

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/8n.htm

Willard suggested the familiar American competitive system “is not necessarily meant for all eternity.” Business was wisely overthrowing competitive wastefulness which produced only “panic, overproduction, bad distribution and uncertainty, replacing it with protected privilege for elected producers.”

[...] In 1900, in his book Corporations and the Public Welfare, James Dill warned that the most critical social question of the day was figuring out how to get rid of the small entrepreneur, yet at the same time retain his loyalty “to a system based on private enterprise.”

It just goes on and on like that. We’re now living in a system a hundred years after that.

]]> By: Gnomely http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-13482 Gnomely Thu, 18 May 2006 14:41:53 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-13482 It reminds me of Ben & Jerry's ice cream. I used to think of hippies, Vermont, and independent business when I thought of Ben and Jerry's. So imagine my heartache, my despair, my agony when I found out they were bought by a huge conglomerate Unilever for 326.43 million dollars! It also upset me when Converse sneakers were bought out by Nike. I saw Michael Moore's movie the Big One--- after that I had to say no to anything Nike. It reminds me of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream. I used to think of hippies, Vermont, and independent business when I thought of Ben and Jerry’s. So imagine my heartache, my despair, my agony when I found out they were bought by a huge conglomerate Unilever for 326.43 million dollars!
It also upset me when Converse sneakers were bought out by Nike. I saw Michael Moore’s movie the Big One— after that I had to say no to anything Nike.

]]> By: JK http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/comment-page-1/#comment-13429 JK Thu, 18 May 2006 09:27:41 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/18/toms-of-maine-in-bed-with-colgate/#comment-13429 I seriously knew it! Everytime I look at the wayward Tom's tube I may have I think to myself: Oh yeah whatever. Colgate-Palmolive is behind it 100%. In fact, couldn't these little up and coming, movin' and shakin' companies who do things a little "differently" all have been started by corporate marketing seed money? Furthermore, isn't it conceivable that all money across the board is corporate seed money? What other reason is there to start a business and make money but to be subsumed by the corporate Borg -- which inherently controls the <i>meaning</i> of money? I'm not fuckin' around, but everybody who marinates long enough in this system does it for just that -- unlimited access to easy street. Only one institution can grant access to this fabled shangri-la and these are the gatekeepers of "ALL THAT IS KNOWN". The Internet makes things a little more fuzzy than they once were, but the artifact is catching up. Think about it. Everybody who wants to get rich wants to to be "free" of constraints. Yet the constraints only increase as you move "up". As in responsibility to the system that got you there. Amazingly, people unknowingly buy their way into "rewarding" ways of life where success only equates out to less and less baseline freedom. Hey I'm rich! Now I get to go to resorts in Malaysia/Mexico and Space Stations and Free Iraq's amazing Green Zone entertainment district. As the empire goes, it is all an act of but being frozen in time as if time were a piece of amber. I seriously knew it! Everytime I look at the wayward Tom’s tube I may have I think to myself: Oh yeah whatever. Colgate-Palmolive is behind it 100%.

In fact, couldn’t these little up and coming, movin’ and shakin’ companies who do things a little “differently” all have been started by corporate marketing seed money? Furthermore, isn’t it conceivable that all money across the board is corporate seed money? What other reason is there to start a business and make money but to be subsumed by the corporate Borg — which inherently controls the meaning of money?

I’m not fuckin’ around, but everybody who marinates long enough in this system does it for just that — unlimited access to easy street. Only one institution can grant access to this fabled shangri-la and these are the gatekeepers of “ALL THAT IS KNOWN”. The Internet makes things a little more fuzzy than they once were, but the artifact is catching up. Think about it. Everybody who wants to get rich wants to to be “free” of constraints. Yet the constraints only increase as you move “up”. As in responsibility to the system that got you there. Amazingly, people unknowingly buy their way into “rewarding” ways of life where success only equates out to less and less baseline freedom.

Hey I’m rich! Now I get to go to resorts in Malaysia/Mexico and Space Stations and Free Iraq’s amazing Green Zone entertainment district. As the empire goes, it is all an act of but being frozen in time as if time were a piece of amber.

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