Comments on: A Theory On Timothy Leary http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:54:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Sweejak http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/comment-page-1/#comment-17103 Sweejak Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:40:23 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/#comment-17103 Snipped from the book "Storming Heaven" "the real message the opponents of the psychedelic movement brought to the Congressional hearings. LSD was eroding the work ethic, it was seducing the young into religious fantasies, it was destroying their values. "We have seen something which in a way is most alarming, more alarming than death in a way," testified Sidney Cohen. "And that is the loss of all cultural values, the loss of feeling of right and wrong, of good and bad. These people lead a valueless life, without motivation, without any ambition … they are deculturated, lost to society, lost to themselves." if psychedelics continued to spread, then America ran the risk of becoming a society of spaced‑out mystics; a communist society no doubt, since the drugs would have sapped the will to confront Soviet aggression. It was an odd debate, with the opponents arguing that LSD had the potential to destroy America, while the proponents claimed the exact opposite. For them, LSD was therapeutic; it corrected the neurotic excesses brought on by a consumer culture; it jarred one free of mental ruts, allowing old problems to be seen from new angles; it accessed higher levels of information, some of which were spiritual in nature. If America was to remain a world power, it could not afford to turn its back on such a useful tool.[13]" Snipped from the book “Storming Heaven”

“the real message the opponents of the psychedelic movement brought to the Congressional hearings. LSD was eroding the work ethic, it was seducing the young into religious fantasies, it was destroying their values. “We have seen something which in a way is most alarming, more alarming than death in a way,” testified Sidney Cohen. “And that is the loss of all cultural values, the loss of feeling of right and wrong, of good and bad. These people lead a valueless life, without motivation, without any ambition … they are deculturated, lost to society, lost to themselves.”

if psychedelics continued to spread, then America ran the risk of becoming a society of spaced‑out mystics; a communist society no doubt, since the drugs would have sapped the will to confront Soviet aggression.

It was an odd debate, with the opponents arguing that LSD had the potential to destroy America, while the proponents claimed the exact opposite. For them, LSD was therapeutic; it corrected the neurotic excesses brought on by a consumer culture; it jarred one free of mental ruts, allowing old problems to be seen from new angles; it accessed higher levels of information, some of which were spiritual in nature. If America was to remain a world power, it could not afford to turn its back on such a useful tool.[13]“

]]> By: alistair http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/comment-page-1/#comment-17092 alistair Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:19:45 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/#comment-17092 why do we need to trust leary or wilson? trust the self and the rest follows. wilson is great in that he likes to laugh.........like alan watts. because everything is ridiculous. and what do you mean by trustworthy anyway? monitarily? promptness? ethics? why do we need to trust leary or wilson? trust the self and the rest follows. wilson is great in that he likes to laugh………like alan watts. because everything is ridiculous.
and what do you mean by trustworthy anyway? monitarily? promptness? ethics?

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/comment-page-1/#comment-17067 Tim Boucher Wed, 31 May 2006 17:47:20 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/#comment-17067 Ha, well if it makes you feel any better, I don't actually trust Leary OR Wilson. Maybe that in the end though should be their real contribution: to become a guru who self-destructs, a leader who steps aside to let his followers become what they need to be. I don't know if I see that in either of them though. Weird about today being Leary's death date! I had no idea! Ha, well if it makes you feel any better, I don’t actually trust Leary OR Wilson. Maybe that in the end though should be their real contribution: to become a guru who self-destructs, a leader who steps aside to let his followers become what they need to be. I don’t know if I see that in either of them though.

Weird about today being Leary’s death date! I had no idea!

]]> By: Gnomely http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/comment-page-1/#comment-17065 Gnomely Wed, 31 May 2006 17:35:05 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/#comment-17065 an other thing with Leary- he was friends with Robert Anton Wilson, I have a difficult time seeing Wilson being personal friends with someone who was a sell-out or not allied with the overthrow of Aristotelian logic. After reading the book Cosmic Trigger my perception of Leary was very favorable. Wilson reveals that Leary was sort of a trickster type of fellow but ultimately was a very compassionate and loving human being. One last thing 1 in every 136 Americans are in prison! America makes up 25% of the world's prison population. Talk about an industrial complex! http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23612&l=i&size=1&hd=0 an other thing with Leary- he was friends with Robert Anton Wilson, I have a difficult time seeing Wilson being personal friends with someone who was a sell-out or not allied with the overthrow of Aristotelian logic.
After reading the book Cosmic Trigger my perception of Leary was very favorable. Wilson reveals that Leary was sort of a trickster type of fellow but ultimately was a very compassionate and loving human being.

One last thing 1 in every 136 Americans are in prison! America makes up 25% of the world’s prison population. Talk about an industrial complex!
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23612&l=i&size=1&hd=0

]]> By: Gnomely http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/comment-page-1/#comment-17064 Gnomely Wed, 31 May 2006 17:17:13 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/#comment-17064 Today is the 10th aniversary of Leary's death, he died May 31 1996. May his soul rest in peace, light, and love in an air-conditioned bardo state. <blockquote>Questions which few people seem to be asking, perhaps for fear of being themselves perceived as deviant</blockquote> The problem I have with the Leary was his quote "don't trust anyone over 30." Leary was reinforcing a societal norm which says you are basically a bourgeois dead being after one's youth. I love seeing punks in their 40's and beyond, considering our lives are short there is no reason to give up one's rebellion at a certain age. Really at what age are you no longer young enough to be rebellious or you know ask questions? Deviance is an interesting thing. I guess deviance is a central theme to most monster movies. It is amusing to see blobs, vampires, mad doctor creations f*ck things up for the town folk. Today is the 10th aniversary of Leary’s death, he died May 31 1996. May his soul rest in peace, light, and love in an air-conditioned bardo state.

Questions which few people seem to be asking, perhaps for fear of being themselves perceived as deviant

The problem I have with the Leary was his quote “don’t trust anyone over 30.”
Leary was reinforcing a societal norm which says you are basically a bourgeois dead being after one’s youth.
I love seeing punks in their 40’s and beyond, considering our lives are short there is no reason to give up one’s rebellion at a certain age. Really at what age are you no longer young enough to be rebellious or you know ask questions?
Deviance is an interesting thing. I guess deviance is a central theme to most monster movies. It is amusing to see blobs, vampires, mad doctor creations f*ck things up for the town folk.

]]> By: alistair http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/comment-page-1/#comment-17054 alistair Wed, 31 May 2006 03:01:54 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/#comment-17054 and check out what this guy has to say about it all, if you speak scottish. http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com and check out what this guy has to say about it all, if you speak scottish.
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com

]]> By: alistair http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/comment-page-1/#comment-17053 alistair Wed, 31 May 2006 03:00:33 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/05/30/a-theory-on-timothy-leary/#comment-17053 without any doubt leary was effective in reducing recidivism amongst prison populations. whether he was a stooge for the government hopped up on his own stone and full of idealistic mysticism, or he sincerely meant every word he spoke, his work stands the test of time in that it was a permenant record of all the good and bad about the sixties and early seventies in america and beyond. people did tune in, turn on and drop out. aldous huxley suggested that a drugged population without thoughts would be happier than an anxious counterpart. without any doubt leary was effective in reducing recidivism amongst prison populations. whether he was a stooge for the government hopped up on his own stone and full of idealistic mysticism, or he sincerely meant every word he spoke, his work stands the test of time in that it was a permenant record of all the good and bad about the sixties and early seventies in america and beyond.
people did tune in, turn on and drop out.
aldous huxley suggested that a drugged population without thoughts would be happier than an anxious counterpart.

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