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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/06/01/those-who-walk-between/comment-page-1/#comment-17183</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello prnsqlr
&lt;blockquote&gt;Once realized, there simply is no ego to return to and it is clear that there never was one. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who or what is &lt;em&gt;desiring &lt;/em&gt;to return to the ego?

My terms are defined in &lt;a href="http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA009/English/GA009_index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Theosophy.&lt;/a&gt;

The term used by the mystic for this expansion of the ego is &lt;em&gt;ecstasy.&lt;/em&gt;

Touring in realms of the oceans of indescrible bliss is called the state of Nirvana (literally, blown out- like a candle).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello prnsqlr</p>
<blockquote><p>Once realized, there simply is no ego to return to and it is clear that there never was one. </p></blockquote>
<p>Who or what is <em>desiring </em>to return to the ego?</p>
<p>My terms are defined in <a href="http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA009/English/GA009_index.html" rel="nofollow">Theosophy.</a></p>
<p>The term used by the mystic for this expansion of the ego is <em>ecstasy.</em></p>
<p>Touring in realms of the oceans of indescrible bliss is called the state of Nirvana (literally, blown out- like a candle).</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/06/01/those-who-walk-between/comment-page-1/#comment-17180</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim, 
An of the books by &lt;a href="http://geoffreyhodson.iinet.net.au/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Geoffrey Hodson&lt;/a&gt; are good:
The Brotherhood of Angels and of Men 
Fairies at Work and at Play 
The Kingdom of Faerie 

The daughter of the child rearing expert, Dr. Benjamin Spock, wrote a book on the subject: Fairy Worlds &#38; Workers (Marjorie Spock).

&lt;a href="http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/SpirBeings/SpiBei_index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Spiritual Beings in the Heavenly Bodies and in the Kingdoms of Nature&lt;/a&gt; by
Rudolf Steiner, is an excellent lecure cycle on the subject. It explains how the Nature Beings can be observed and their consciousness- also their relationship with the higher beings.

Pinchbeck is right, many of the Aliens are really Nature Beings, or more correctly these Ahrimanical beings are associated with electiricty.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They appear naked, without covering, without hair, and are bony, wiry creatures, who have a love of science, and find it necessary to be incorporated in a craft which has many buttons, doodads, and levers. They are assumed to be of great intelligence, but rarely communicative. They inhabit all things electrical, as this is their only manifestation upon earth, they dwell within such activity; and the computers which devise the special effects are so stimulated (operators also) into depicting these creatures as best they can.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href="http://www.burlingtonnews.net/multiverses5a.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Trevor Constable&lt;/a&gt; has shown us the real nature of the UFOs. Though we don't support his&lt;em&gt; Cloud Busting&lt;/em&gt; in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,<br />
An of the books by <a href="http://geoffreyhodson.iinet.net.au/" rel="nofollow">Geoffrey Hodson</a> are good:<br />
The Brotherhood of Angels and of Men<br />
Fairies at Work and at Play<br />
The Kingdom of Faerie </p>
<p>The daughter of the child rearing expert, Dr. Benjamin Spock, wrote a book on the subject: Fairy Worlds &amp; Workers (Marjorie Spock).</p>
<p><a href="http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/SpirBeings/SpiBei_index.html" rel="nofollow">The Spiritual Beings in the Heavenly Bodies and in the Kingdoms of Nature</a> by<br />
Rudolf Steiner, is an excellent lecure cycle on the subject. It explains how the Nature Beings can be observed and their consciousness- also their relationship with the higher beings.</p>
<p>Pinchbeck is right, many of the Aliens are really Nature Beings, or more correctly these Ahrimanical beings are associated with electiricty.</p>
<blockquote><p>They appear naked, without covering, without hair, and are bony, wiry creatures, who have a love of science, and find it necessary to be incorporated in a craft which has many buttons, doodads, and levers. They are assumed to be of great intelligence, but rarely communicative. They inhabit all things electrical, as this is their only manifestation upon earth, they dwell within such activity; and the computers which devise the special effects are so stimulated (operators also) into depicting these creatures as best they can.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.burlingtonnews.net/multiverses5a.html" rel="nofollow">Trevor Constable</a> has shown us the real nature of the UFOs. Though we don&#8217;t support his<em> Cloud Busting</em> in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Sketchmonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sketchmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, it is &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; interesting to me to see you touch upon this particular subject matter. Further underscoring the apparent cyclic nature of human experience - real or imagined - it seems mankind is coming 'full circle' in its understanding... or at least &lt;em&gt;conceptualization&lt;/em&gt; of phenomena which we have a difficult time labeling or describing in an articulate fashion.

Instead of the fascination with 'aliens' of the extraterrestrial variety that held many folks in thrall throughout much of the 2nd half of the 20th Century... people appear to be receptive to more 'terrestrial' origins for the unexplained. Much of the current fascination with 'ultra' terrestrials or whatever one wishes to call them: manifestations of the Anima Mundi, 'trickster' phenomenon, elementals... have their roots in age old traditions.

I have been reading the esoteric 'classic' THE SECRET TEACHINGS OF ALL AGES
by Manly P. Hall and quite a few things it contains have resonated with me and made me think about a number of things in novel ways. It has been something of a connect the dots experience for me. You may already be familiar with it, but if not... check out the section entitled ''The Elements and Their Inhabitants", you may find it it to be an interesting supplement to your current musings:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta25.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, it is <em>very</em> interesting to me to see you touch upon this particular subject matter. Further underscoring the apparent cyclic nature of human experience - real or imagined - it seems mankind is coming &#8216;full circle&#8217; in its understanding&#8230; or at least <em>conceptualization</em> of phenomena which we have a difficult time labeling or describing in an articulate fashion.</p>
<p>Instead of the fascination with &#8216;aliens&#8217; of the extraterrestrial variety that held many folks in thrall throughout much of the 2nd half of the 20th Century&#8230; people appear to be receptive to more &#8216;terrestrial&#8217; origins for the unexplained. Much of the current fascination with &#8216;ultra&#8217; terrestrials or whatever one wishes to call them: manifestations of the Anima Mundi, &#8216;trickster&#8217; phenomenon, elementals&#8230; have their roots in age old traditions.</p>
<p>I have been reading the esoteric &#8216;classic&#8217; THE SECRET TEACHINGS OF ALL AGES<br />
by Manly P. Hall and quite a few things it contains have resonated with me and made me think about a number of things in novel ways. It has been something of a connect the dots experience for me. You may already be familiar with it, but if not&#8230; check out the section entitled &#8221;The Elements and Their Inhabitants&#8221;, you may find it it to be an interesting supplement to your current musings:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta25.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta25.htm'>http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta25.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: prnsqlr</title>
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		<dc:creator>prnsqlr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relevant article: Reptilian Imagery and Demonology
http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0400.php

&lt;blockquote&gt;When the ego dissolves however, there is no consciousness, no memory- so what is the point?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this sentence is problematic. The ego (as far as I understand, of course) remembers nothing on its own and conceives nothing on its own. It has no intrinsic properties. If it hopes to retain memories of higher experiences, it is mistaken in thinking that it can do anything at all. It is purely determined, utterly dependent, an epiphenomenon.

Once realized, there simply is no ego to return to and it is clear that there never was one. There may be points in future linear time at which the ego or self seems to be present, but this is just a particular way of looking at things.

So while the ego cannot understand the point of the work, this does not matter, it is not the ego that does this work in the first place, but the spirit which is the actor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relevant article: Reptilian Imagery and Demonology<br />
<a href="http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0400.php" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0400.php'>http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0400.php</a></p>
<blockquote><p>When the ego dissolves however, there is no consciousness, no memory- so what is the point?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this sentence is problematic. The ego (as far as I understand, of course) remembers nothing on its own and conceives nothing on its own. It has no intrinsic properties. If it hopes to retain memories of higher experiences, it is mistaken in thinking that it can do anything at all. It is purely determined, utterly dependent, an epiphenomenon.</p>
<p>Once realized, there simply is no ego to return to and it is clear that there never was one. There may be points in future linear time at which the ego or self seems to be present, but this is just a particular way of looking at things.</p>
<p>So while the ego cannot understand the point of the work, this does not matter, it is not the ego that does this work in the first place, but the spirit which is the actor.</p>
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		<title>By: fuj</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From http://www.awakeninthedream.com:

"The destructive world events throughout time immemorial are the effects of an archetype getting constellated and being unconsciously acted out as human history. The archetype is continually creating novel iterations of the exact same underlying invariant process, which is to say â€œitself,â€ like an endlessly self-generating fractal unfolding over linear, historical time. Until the archetype is consciously recognized, however, instead of unconsciously  acted out, we are doomed to endlessly re-create its negative, destructive aspect as if we were somnambulists under an insidious spell."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.awakeninthedream.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.awakeninthedream.com'>http://www.awakeninthedream.com</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The destructive world events throughout time immemorial are the effects of an archetype getting constellated and being unconsciously acted out as human history. The archetype is continually creating novel iterations of the exact same underlying invariant process, which is to say â€œitself,â€ like an endlessly self-generating fractal unfolding over linear, historical time. Until the archetype is consciously recognized, however, instead of unconsciously  acted out, we are doomed to endlessly re-create its negative, destructive aspect as if we were somnambulists under an insidious spell.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4775435252723962406&#38;q=nlp

this might shed some light on what the mind is........................or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4775435252723962406&amp;q=nlp" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4775435252723962406&amp;q=nlp'>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4775435252723962406&amp;q=nlp</a></p>
<p>this might shed some light on what the mind is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you're right. I was unclear on how all that fit together for myself. I'm both trying to work out an idea and realizing that the idea is just that and may not match reality. I guess what I was trying to get at was that the fear that is played upon is the fear of the ego being overwhelmed. 

I would love to hear more about elementals if you care to share. 

I also like the raspberry thing. Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you&#8217;re right. I was unclear on how all that fit together for myself. I&#8217;m both trying to work out an idea and realizing that the idea is just that and may not match reality. I guess what I was trying to get at was that the fear that is played upon is the fear of the ego being overwhelmed. </p>
<p>I would love to hear more about elementals if you care to share. </p>
<p>I also like the raspberry thing. Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 01:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,
Entering those realms does not require "ego death". Actually it's more of an ego dissolving. When the ego dissolves however, there is no consciousness, no memory- so what is the point?

Rudolf Steiner describes it like this: We have a drop of rasberry juice and drop it in a barrel of water, and it of course expands out till we have no taste of juice in the water. That is the ego expanding out into the Cosmos. The mystic, on the other hand, learns to "keep his drop intact".

There are many Luciferic Elementals, but also Christian ones. Some of the Luciferic ones like to pretend that they are Aliens.

&lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9896/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dr. Geo&lt;/a&gt; is a doctor of mathematics who sees fairies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
Entering those realms does not require &#8220;ego death&#8221;. Actually it&#8217;s more of an ego dissolving. When the ego dissolves however, there is no consciousness, no memory- so what is the point?</p>
<p>Rudolf Steiner describes it like this: We have a drop of rasberry juice and drop it in a barrel of water, and it of course expands out till we have no taste of juice in the water. That is the ego expanding out into the Cosmos. The mystic, on the other hand, learns to &#8220;keep his drop intact&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are many Luciferic Elementals, but also Christian ones. Some of the Luciferic ones like to pretend that they are Aliens.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/9896/" rel="nofollow">Dr. Geo</a> is a doctor of mathematics who sees fairies.</p>
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