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	<title>Comments on: Is The *Illusion of Freedom* Freedom?</title>
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		<title>By: jlhart7</title>
		<link>http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/07/06/is-the-illusion-of-freedom-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-18006</link>
		<dc:creator>jlhart7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of goes back to the ideas we were discussing over at the "Without being killed or imprisoned" essay comments page. I have a theoretical question to pose -- I don't know what my answer would be, and I'm curious to see all of yours, if any of you find this and/or choose to respond: 

Let's say there were a society where the citizens were comfortable, safe, free to pursue happiness, blah blah blah. The only catch would be that they could not attempt to remove or change the government or the society's rules, and they could not criticize the government or society's rules at any great extent in public. If anyone were to try to do so, he or she would be at great risk of being imprisoned, tortured, or killed, depending on the "severity" of the offense. Because all the citizens are comfortable, safe and whatnot, no one in the society actually feels they have any incentive to try to replace the government or the rules, or to mount any substantial criticism of these institutions. 

Should the citizens of this society replace this government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of goes back to the ideas we were discussing over at the &#8220;Without being killed or imprisoned&#8221; essay comments page. I have a theoretical question to pose &#8212; I don&#8217;t know what my answer would be, and I&#8217;m curious to see all of yours, if any of you find this and/or choose to respond: </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say there were a society where the citizens were comfortable, safe, free to pursue happiness, blah blah blah. The only catch would be that they could not attempt to remove or change the government or the society&#8217;s rules, and they could not criticize the government or society&#8217;s rules at any great extent in public. If anyone were to try to do so, he or she would be at great risk of being imprisoned, tortured, or killed, depending on the &#8220;severity&#8221; of the offense. Because all the citizens are comfortable, safe and whatnot, no one in the society actually feels they have any incentive to try to replace the government or the rules, or to mount any substantial criticism of these institutions. </p>
<p>Should the citizens of this society replace this government?</p>
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		<title>By: lyam</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seconding prnsqlr.

Both A Fire Upon the Depp and A Deepness in the Sky are absolutely fantastic.  I think I prefer Deepness more, though the consensus seems to be Fire is his best.  I can't think of any other science fiction write who's been able to carry me to such emotional extremes.  Well, PKD of course, but other then him, Vinge is one of the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seconding prnsqlr.</p>
<p>Both A Fire Upon the Depp and A Deepness in the Sky are absolutely fantastic.  I think I prefer Deepness more, though the consensus seems to be Fire is his best.  I can&#8217;t think of any other science fiction write who&#8217;s been able to carry me to such emotional extremes.  Well, PKD of course, but other then him, Vinge is one of the best.</p>
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		<title>By: prnsqlr</title>
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		<dc:creator>prnsqlr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinge is an excellent sci-fi author. I highly recommend both &lt;i&gt;A Fire Upon The Deep&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;A Deepness in the Sky&lt;/i&gt;. 

If it matters, the other sci-fi I really like is pretty much contained by the set of Lem, Dick, Neal Stephenson (sue me, purists), and the New Wave SF writers. I'm really looking forward to Rainbow's End.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinge is an excellent sci-fi author. I highly recommend both <i>A Fire Upon The Deep</i> and <i>A Deepness in the Sky</i>. </p>
<p>If it matters, the other sci-fi I really like is pretty much contained by the set of Lem, Dick, Neal Stephenson (sue me, purists), and the New Wave SF writers. I&#8217;m really looking forward to Rainbow&#8217;s End.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are &lt;a href="http://mindstalk.net/vinge/vinge-sing.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Vinge's thoughts&lt;/a&gt; on "the singularity" as of 1993.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are <a href="http://mindstalk.net/vinge/vinge-sing.html" rel="nofollow">Vinge&#8217;s thoughts</a> on &#8220;the singularity&#8221; as of 1993.</p>
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