“As Weishaupt lived under the tyranny of a despot and priests, he knew that caution was necessary even in spreading information, and the principles of pure morality. This has given an air of mystery to his views, was the foundation of his banishment. … If Weishaupt had written here, where no secrecy is necessary in our endeavors to render men wise and virtuous, he would not have thought of any secret machinery for that purpose.”

My high school quote was “Goethe was an interesting figure because he heavily influenced Carl Jung???”

By the way, let’s say we assume as fact the existence of magic — which science would try to explain as

Isaac Newton was an alchemist, as were many forerunners of Freemasonry. My question for you is: these guys DID know about magic and accepted it as fact. How and why did their knowledge get lost or transmuted? I’m working on a theory that says they themselves disavowed or buried their magical knowledge at some point; it wasn’t lost or suppressed. Why they would do this is the part I don’t entirely get. My best guess - if this theory holds water - would be that they were trying to associate “superstition” completely and utterly in the public eye with the Church, thereby to draw them out onto thin ice and set themselves up as clear-cut ideological opposites (even though in many ways they were not).

Perhaps then, they had plans that at some point in the future, they would open up the floodgates again to the mystical knowledge they themselves made hidden, but only when people seemed ready for it. This theory would dovetail neatly into the notion that the 1960’s counter-culture was seeded and guided by the government and other groups, and was intended as a means of re-uniting science with its long-lost twin sister…

“Take any good street map of downtown Washington, D.C. and find the Capitol Building. Facing the Capitol from the Mall and using the Capitol building as the head or top of the Compass, the left leg is represented by Pennsylvania Ave. and the right leg, Maryland Ave. The Square is found in the usual Masonic position with the intersection of Canal St. and Louisiana Ave. The left leg of the Compass stands on the White House and the right leg stands on the Jefferson Memorial. The circle drive and short streets behind the building form the head and ears of what Satanists call the Goat Of Mendes or Goat’s head!

It is interesting to see how the founding fathers of America were connected to free masonary. 13 signers of the constitution were free masons and there were 33 generals in the Continental Army who were freemasons.
http://www.watch.pair.com/mason.html

Anyways hurray for classical liberalism, pluaralism, & social democractic movements!

Freemasons started some of the first public schools in both Europe and America. We supported legislation to make education universal. In the 1800s Masons as a group lobbied for the establishment of state-supported education and federal land-grant colleges.

http://www.gl-mi.org/freemasonry-explained.htm

Also

http://freemasonrywatch.org/publiceducation_masonry.html
http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/fmschools.htm

i guess my main point is really that what a Christian would view a Satanist, a “Evil” person… yuh know, kinda took over the church… and it wasnt the Church that Masonry had to hide from, it was “Evil” people who took over the church, and then, in turn, these “Evil” people, instead of destroying Masonry, use it…. like they do everything that comes along…

it is fascinating though really, because its on some hidden in plain sight, very magical (the history Illuminati/Enlightenment thing).

just in my heart i know secrets & illumination dont mix. as pitch black dark as it gets, light ALWAYS defeats darkness, but its no beef, just the way it is..

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theres always people looking to use things like Masonry to manipulate and deceive. So hooray for masonry, yall destroyed the church, so far as youve inspired the great bloodsheds of the 20th century with your occult scientific “materialism”…

now its time for true revelation…

because at this point imho, all secrets reveal. and orders are pyramid schemes.

self initiation.

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While their critics see them as sinister, it is always possible such shadow government groups are working behind the scenes for the benefit of humanity. Originally utopian and libertarian concepts were promoted by the followers of secret societies such as the Rosicrucians and Freemasons. Those occultists who operated at their highest level were genuinely concerned with the progress of humankind in both its material and spiritual forms.

They supported the radical and subversive idea of a free, democratic and equal society where the individual had the freedom to follow any religion or political idea without fear of persecution. The secret societies while elitist in membership advocated social reform, universal education and civil liberty. They believed the fruits of new scientific research should be made widely available for the benefit of all people. If knowledge was more widespread then they believed a natural social progress would lead to the evolution of the individual from the common herd. Their ultimate goal was the unification of religion, science and the arts into a universal philosophy for the enlightenment of the whole human race.

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There is only one thing, through which all things are effected.

We should not, then, be surprised that the modern world is no less a product of this thing, a totally natural (though robotic and dark in some aspects) outgrowth of alchemy, mathesis, sacred geometry, stonemasonry, qbl, in short, the Work.

We can surprisingly often trace these modern elements directly back to their esoteric origins. Sacred geometry came before profane geometry.

I can’t go on here in any depth (mail me if you like), but here’s some stuff to google:
Buzz Aldrin conducted a masonic ceremony on the moon
vannevar bush (forefather of computing) was a mason
combinatory logic (basis for computing) came through folks like alchemist raymond llull, who got the idea from qabalistic meditational tools
leibinz invented the binary digits from the i ching
http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/Gutenberg_Galaxy.html

positivist science came from alchemy, but lost the content, retaining only the outer forms. this was utterly unavoidable.

People who think masons act as one body are like people who think the same thing about catholics. There is a lot of good and bad in anything; this is the reflection of the Primal Bifurcation.

Also interesting is a piece I just remembered by the current pope about how Christianity is the religion of Reason. In it, he says that the Enlightenment could only have come out of Christianity - which is rather interesting in light of what we’ve said above.