Comments on: Daniel Pinchbeck and the New Psychedelic Elite http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/ public domain playground. friendly entities welcome. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:43:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Gary http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-19636 Gary Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:21:45 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/#comment-19636 An authentic guru, to me, is any person with actual spiritual and/or intellectual wisdom and the desire to share it in a way that <blockquote>avoids</blockquote> most of the pitfalls of being in a position of power over another person. The rest, inauthentic gurus if you like, are charlatans -either fooling their flock or themself or both. Some more thoughts on gurus tomorrow. An authentic guru, to me, is any person with actual spiritual and/or intellectual wisdom and the desire to share it in a way that
avoids

most of the pitfalls of being in a position of power over another person.

The rest, inauthentic gurus if you like, are charlatans -either fooling their flock or themself or both. Some more thoughts on gurus tomorrow.

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-19633 Tim Boucher Sun, 03 Sep 2006 04:15:03 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/#comment-19633 <blockquote>if he is in Tim’s interest then that is more than good enough for me to investigate him. </blockquote> Well, I would say that I am interested in his work. I can't say that I vouch for him as a person or all of what he says. Frankly, there is a great deal in his work that I disagree with as well. However, I really don't think the RS article was any work of conspiracy, nor am I necessarily sure he is an "authentic guru" whatever that even means, I don't know. And also, I certainly don't fault Rolling Stone or the author of that piece for how the article came out. It's a good article, tells a compelling story and more than anything else, it fits into the "lifestyle" aspect of their magazine. Of course they didn't go into deep ideas - why would they? That's not what they're about. That's not what sells their magazine

if he is in Tim’s interest then that is more than good enough for me to investigate him.

Well, I would say that I am interested in his work. I can’t say that I vouch for him as a person or all of what he says. Frankly, there is a great deal in his work that I disagree with as well. However, I really don’t think the RS article was any work of conspiracy, nor am I necessarily sure he is an “authentic guru” whatever that even means, I don’t know. And also, I certainly don’t fault Rolling Stone or the author of that piece for how the article came out. It’s a good article, tells a compelling story and more than anything else, it fits into the “lifestyle” aspect of their magazine. Of course they didn’t go into deep ideas - why would they? That’s not what they’re about. That’s not what sells their magazine

]]> By: alistair http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-19631 alistair Sun, 03 Sep 2006 03:25:55 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/#comment-19631 all humans tend to be fallable. pinchbeck`s error here, if it is an error, is to reveal his humanity. the predators go for the soft underbelly after all. my view is that part of prophesy is to be human, and that seems to be what the man was trying to be..........to wake us up to the possibility of our own divinity. wake up to the sunrise. wake up to the shock of the smell of dirt. if the sleeping urban reader wants to remain in slumber then reducing the prophetic to the mundane will allow that trip............. all humans tend to be fallable. pinchbeck`s error here, if it is an error, is to reveal his humanity. the predators go for the soft underbelly after all.
my view is that part of prophesy is to be human, and that seems to be what the man was trying to be……….to wake us up to the possibility of our own divinity.
wake up to the sunrise.
wake up to the shock of the smell of dirt.
if the sleeping urban reader wants to remain in slumber then reducing the prophetic to the mundane will allow that trip………….

]]> By: Gnomely http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-19626 Gnomely Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:28:51 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/#comment-19626 <blockquote>Some say the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh was the real deal </blockquote> I love reading Osho! Despite his flaws he communicated some beautiful words.... "Skeptics ask how I can claim that Rajneesh was enlightened, given his scandals and disastrous public image. I can only say that Rajneesh's spiritual presence was identical to that of Jiddu Krishnamurti, who was recognized as enlightened by every high Tibetan Lama and revered Hindu sage of the day." http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html It is funny, that Jiddu Krishmamurti was never (really) attacked by the establisment. The establishment being organized religion and governments.

Some say the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh was the real deal

I love reading Osho! Despite his flaws he communicated some beautiful words….

“Skeptics ask how I can claim that Rajneesh was enlightened, given his scandals and disastrous public image. I can only say that Rajneesh’s spiritual presence was identical to that of Jiddu Krishnamurti, who was recognized as enlightened by every high Tibetan Lama and revered Hindu sage of the day.”
http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html

It is funny, that Jiddu Krishmamurti was never (really) attacked by the establisment. The establishment being organized religion and governments.

]]> By: Gary http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-19625 Gary Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:21:42 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/#comment-19625 The authentic guru is a target for the technocracy (or whatever nefarious power is in charge.) Some say the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh was the real deal and poisoned by the CIA for being so. I haven't heard of Pinckbeck but if there is an article out there slandering him my first thought is conspiracy (though Hanlon's razor fits well, too). If he is in Tim's interest then that is more than good enough for me to investigate him. If his message isn't something close to "Everyone has to be there own guru," then my interest in him will be only passing. I'm off to google.. The authentic guru is a target for the technocracy (or whatever nefarious power is in charge.)

Some say the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh was the real deal and poisoned by the CIA for being so. I haven’t heard of Pinckbeck but if there is an article out there slandering him my first thought is conspiracy (though Hanlon’s razor fits well, too).

If he is in Tim’s interest then that is more than good enough for me to investigate him. If his message isn’t something close to “Everyone has to be there own guru,” then my interest in him will be only passing. I’m off to google..

]]> By: Tim Boucher http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-19622 Tim Boucher Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:27:16 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/#comment-19622 Awesome! Glad to have you on board. I was actually hoping that the RS article would encourage some people to Google him and find my interview, so its awesome it worked out and hooked in some people interested in this stuff in a more serious way! Awesome! Glad to have you on board. I was actually hoping that the RS article would encourage some people to Google him and find my interview, so its awesome it worked out and hooked in some people interested in this stuff in a more serious way!

]]> By: Skypof http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-19619 Skypof Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:16:34 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/#comment-19619 This post has brought me full circle in just a few short days. I read the RS Pinckbeck article earlier this week. After reading it, I had planty of mixed feelings. For I too share in some similar,yet not identical ideas and persepctives regarding ayahuasca, the mayan calendar, consciousness evolution, etc. After reading the article, I had wished that it had been heavy on ideas and light on Daniel Pinchbeck, the person, who I had actually never heard of before. The article seemed to focus on the person behind the ideas in a semi-scandalous fashion and contained numerous insinuations at the credulousness of the proclamations made by the faulted character. So this led me to googling his name to find out more, thinking no one who considers themselves a leader in this movement would really be as much as a self-absorbed, superficial, pseudo-prophet as the article made him out to be. This led me to your interview with him which led me to your blog. I was relieved to find the interview heavy on ideas and thoughtfulness, unlike the tabloid article in RS. I just wanted to say that regardless how I got here, I appreciate the flavors of heart and mind you have written from in the previous week. Your critique on the article brought the whole experience full circle. Anyhow, glad to have arrived. I hope to continue more banter in the future. This post has brought me full circle in just a few short days. I read the RS Pinckbeck article earlier this week. After reading it, I had planty of mixed feelings. For I too share in some similar,yet not identical ideas and persepctives regarding ayahuasca, the mayan calendar, consciousness evolution, etc. After reading the article, I had wished that it had been heavy on ideas and light on Daniel Pinchbeck, the person, who I had actually never heard of before. The article seemed to focus on the person behind the ideas in a semi-scandalous fashion and contained numerous insinuations at the credulousness of the proclamations made by the faulted character.
So this led me to googling his name to find out more, thinking no one who considers themselves a leader in this movement would really be as much as a self-absorbed, superficial, pseudo-prophet as the article made him out to be. This led me to your interview with him which led me to your blog. I was relieved to find the interview heavy on ideas and thoughtfulness, unlike the tabloid article in RS. I just wanted to say that regardless how I got here, I appreciate the flavors of heart and mind you have written from in the previous week. Your critique on the article brought the whole experience full circle. Anyhow, glad to have arrived. I hope to continue more banter in the future.

]]> By: Gnomely http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-19616 Gnomely Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:46:12 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/#comment-19616 <blockquote>At the end of the day, what’s interesting here is the stark realization from both the Rolling Stone article and Pinchbeck’s response to it is that even the people we see as being somehow “more spiritually advanced” than the rest of us still fall into all the same old traps of hurt feelings and bruised egos. Nevermind the simple fact that we’re all just human - and we all have elements of our lives which if they saw the light of day in a national magazine might make us look really bad or at least might make us feel a keen and painful split between our own self-image and the image of us others experience.</blockquote> I agree, when you are in the media it is real easy to be reduced to a caricature. In fact I almost remember watching a cartoon in which a gyspe caricaturist is able to turn people into physical caricatures. Anyways, autumn is in the air what a magical time to be at peace! "The inner light is beyond praise of blame like space it knows no boundaries" Zen koan

At the end of the day, what’s interesting here is the stark realization from both the Rolling Stone article and Pinchbeck’s response to it is that even the people we see as being somehow “more spiritually advanced” than the rest of us still fall into all the same old traps of hurt feelings and bruised egos. Nevermind the simple fact that we’re all just human - and we all have elements of our lives which if they saw the light of day in a national magazine might make us look really bad or at least might make us feel a keen and painful split between our own self-image and the image of us others experience.

I agree, when you are in the media it is real easy to be reduced to a caricature. In fact I almost remember watching a cartoon in which a gyspe caricaturist is able to turn people into physical caricatures. Anyways, autumn is in the air what a magical time to be at peace!
“The inner light is beyond praise of blame like space it knows no boundaries” Zen koan

]]> By: nico http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-19614 nico Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:29:42 +0000 http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/09/02/daniel-pinchbeck-and-the-new-psychedelic-elite/#comment-19614 Word. I just finished reading Pinchbeck's book on my road trip. It's a good book - well worth reading. I appreciated his knack for threading things together (although I think the first part of the book wasn't as nearly as strong as the last third) and his great stories about his various synchronicities. But to be honest, while I was reading all of his musings over his sexual life, some of it was tiresome. Some of it was really genuine, but I often thought to myself that his writings about the women that were in his life could easily read as though he were a bit superficial. So I could see why (if Grigoriadis actually read the book - I dunno - didn't read the RS article), she would be a bit skeptical about him. I knew he might get hammered by someone for letting it all out there like that. But I'm glad that he was brave enough to write about all of those relationships: his wife, the "priestess", et. al. and to try to connect it all in a larger context and meaning. I don't see a lot of people, male or female, trying to do that. You gotta give the dude credit for his ambitious attempt to put it all together. That alone deserves recognition. Word.

I just finished reading Pinchbeck’s book on my road trip. It’s a good book - well worth reading. I appreciated his knack for threading things together (although I think the first part of the book wasn’t as nearly as strong as the last third) and his great stories about his various synchronicities. But to be honest, while I was reading all of his musings over his sexual life, some of it was tiresome. Some of it was really genuine, but I often thought to myself that his writings about the women that were in his life could easily read as though he were a bit superficial. So I could see why (if Grigoriadis actually read the book - I dunno - didn’t read the RS article), she would be a bit skeptical about him. I knew he might get hammered by someone for letting it all out there like that. But I’m glad that he was brave enough to write about all of those relationships: his wife, the “priestess”, et. al. and to try to connect it all in a larger context and meaning. I don’t see a lot of people, male or female, trying to do that. You gotta give the dude credit for his ambitious attempt to put it all together. That alone deserves recognition.

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