Comments on: Growing Up

By: hf

hf — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:27:42 +0000

I also nearly forgot that promise. But you can read the post here.

By: hf

hf — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:16:08 +0000

I be keelhauled! This scurvy sea dog been forgetting about Talk Like a Pirate Day!

By: hf

hf — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:13:15 +0000

(Note that secrecy works against the sane person’s practice of seeking criticism.)

By: hf

hf — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:11:38 +0000

Even in a non-democracy, that requires a specific way of changing hearts and minds without letting anyone outside know, and without too many inside knowing the full story.

By: Tim Boucher

Tim Boucher — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:02:31 +0000

seize power by changing hearts and minds

i thought you seized power by seizing power. then you stay in power via hearts and minds.

By: hf

hf — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:55:27 +0000

But see, school boards or individual states can’t implement Social Credit. Running in these races, the ones I might theoretically win, seems absurdly unlikely to advance my goals unless I use the post as a soapbox — lose elections, in other words — or create a Social Credit Party. Which has failed as a way to focus attention on the goals of this plan whenever anyone’s tried it. (A party, unlike a movement, must take positions on every unrelated issue that comes along.) Furthermore, my skills seem marginally better suited to changing minds with arguments. I don’t know what skill set it takes to win elections, but I doubt it overlaps with the skills to start forming a workable policy. (Seems to me that running for office now would force me to direct my attention in other areas; see previously mentioned historical facts.) If I had to classify myself according to Brad Hicks’ three social roles that any subculture needs, I think I make a better Authenticity Cop than anything else.

I’ll post a better summary of my own plan late tonight. You can also see various components at the Wikipedia page. Some discussion takes place on the discussion page.

By: Scott Rassbach

Scott Rassbach — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:25:04 +0000

P.S. In the interests of fairness, if your plan is written down on the World Wide Time Suck, I’ll go take a look at it. Just post the URL. But don’t post it in the comments, it’ll take up too much space (I’m betting).

By: Scott Rassbach

Scott Rassbach — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:23:30 +0000

But see, you’re not starting at the beginning. You’re starting at “I have the ability, recognition, credentials, etc. to do this.”

If you’ve actually got a plan, you need to start at the beginning. “I’m me, I’m going to get elected to school board, with an eye towards being governor in 20 years, so that I can create this commission which will review my plan…”.

If your first step is “Radically Reorient the way society is constructed”, you’re missing a few critical steps. That sort of planning is fun, but it bears no relation to reality. It’s like REALLY believing the freemasons can control society from their underground bunkers, instead of joining them and realizing there’s 99% pancake feeds and fish fries, and only 1% controlling the world.

I agree with Tim. You can explain your plan until you’re blue in the face. Unless you have money, power, or societal buy in, your plan will sit on the drawing board.

And if your plan involves removing money, power, or societal buy in from anyone already in power, I do hope some part of it includes “Recruit jack-booted thugs to drive tanks in front of government buildings.”

By: hf

hf — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:02:57 +0000

Scott, that sounds so obviously false that I think we must be talking at cross purposes somehow.

And as the first step in my Social Credit plan, I’d create a commission of respected economists with a chair that I trust (i.e. me) to produce a better plan — with the stipulation that my current version goes into operation if I decide we’ve made no significant progress after a certain period. From a scientific, techno-cratic perspective, trying to control society with no input from informed critics seems borderline psychotic.

By: Scott Rassbach

Scott Rassbach — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:49:00 +0000

Can and should. I donâ€™t know just what you want to say. People in a democracy, or a Masonocracy for that matter, seize power by changing hearts and minds.

But you can’t do that by explaining plans. you can only do that by implementing them.

By: Scott Rassbach

Scott Rassbach — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:48:18 +0000

You know, you could die trying.

http://tinyurl.com/ep844

By: hf

hf — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:41:56 +0000

Can and should. I don’t know just what you want to say. People in a democracy, or a Masonocracy for that matter, seize power by changing hearts and minds.

By: Tim Boucher

Tim Boucher — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:26:08 +0000

some of us will describe our plan to anyone who might listen

no im not talking about explaining plans. anybody can do that

By: hf

hf — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:01:00 +0000

Dude, some of us will describe our plan to anyone who might listen. Are you inviting me to explain my preferred version of Social Credit for your Mason friends? Or do you mean to say you’ve realized the error of your previous posts and decided to join our scientific conspiracy?

By: Tim Boucher

Tim Boucher — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:59:30 +0000

if you wrest control from thier grasp you are going to become much like them.

well thats exactly my point!

By: alistair

alistair — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:49:21 +0000

the better solution, i believe, once you decide to take control, is to just do it. not in a confrontational, win/lose type way but a simple just get on with it sort of a way whereby you just live your life in control. if you wrest control from thier grasp you are going to become much like them.
personal power is just that. personal. it`s nothing to do with politics or religion or social movements. it`s about a relationship with the self.
if you sent that letter you would go on a list…………..

By: Scott Rassbach

Scott Rassbach — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:47:18 +0000

If you find the leader of freemasons, kick him once in the nuts for me. I’m ashamed of what that ass-hat has done to my beloved fraternity.

‘Solving’ the problems of the world, taking up leadership positions, etc., is HARD. Not because it’s difficult or someone will kill you, but because the problems are a) complex, and b) BORING!

Don’t believe me? My city council once argued, behind closed doors, for 2 months about how big the park of a major development should be, and if we should spend money to make it bigger. Madison, WI is currently trying to figure out how to deal with the fallout from the annual HALLOWEEN party, of all things.

These are the issues you see, sometimes, working in the smaller structures of government.

Actually problem solving is often done by non-governmental units: Environmental groups, charities, corporations. If you wanna step up, that’s the way to go. Group dynamics is more important than legislation.