Douglas Rushkoff & Daniel Pinchbeck Video - Part 1
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October 16th, 2006 at 10:59 am
I could only handle about 6 minutes of this. It reminds me of stoned conversations I had in peoples basements back in the late sixties. I found myself feeling sorry for these two. They seem like children. I hope they actually lose the ga ga and start thinking.
October 16th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
only 6 minutes, and already came to a conclusion? If it’s any incentive to watch the rest, they do think and talk about problems of society, peak-oil, climate change, alternative currency, etc. Also, this video is part 1, there’s actually 4 parts; totalling about 1 hour, 45 minutes. They’re all lined up at the following address, even downloadable; if you want fullscreen, click source: http://filmzeal.blogspot.com/douglas-rushkoff
Or you can click on the part you want: 1|2|3|4
Rushkoff, not long ago, wrote a business-book (Get Back In The Box) that you may be interested in; it’s sort of his push to change the business community; advocating alternative forms of currency like Time Dollars; among other things.
Pinchbeck is about to start a Magazine (Evolver) this coming December. I’d say more, however, Tim had an interview with him awhile back, and will conveniently link to it; parts 1 & 2.
I remember back in January of last year, the magazine’s sort-of early parallel-form was called Metacine; to which the first topics being addressed were Bioremediation and Alternative Economies. A brief snippet of “the goal of Metacine, a magazine for the New Edge, is to present the paradigm for a new planetary culture. Today’s world is out of balance, rocked by constant crisis - threatened by climate change, violence, pullution, rising energy costs, and environmental neglect. But the solutions to many of these problems already exist. What is required is a quantum leap in consciousness, a mind-shift, that can give us the inspiration, will, and practical tools to make our highest visions into reality.” (source)
Seems allot like WorldChanging and the Viridian Design Movement; with a new edge for consciousness exploration, and it’s relationship with the evolution of the planet as well as our conscious & seemingly-subconscious abilities. This particular article comes to mind.
Personally, I’d reckon that Evolver may contribute allot; and I’d think that, if anything, it’s very likely to have more of an impact while trickling in to other areas/places, rather than an evolver magazine unto itself. I’ll be looking forward to when the Evolver community gets a running start, but I remain slightly skeptical of some of Pinchbeck’s ideas.
I sort-of favor moreso Rushkoff’s perspective. I think that picking a date (2012) and running with it as a meme to promote a range of evolving ideas, could become problematical in it’s effort to spread to other groups/areas; groups/areas that would undoubtedly be incredibly beneficial. However, there are already many many many groups/projects of relatively-similar caliber. I’ll be looking forward to see how Evolver will stand out from the rest. More of my thoughts on Pinchbeck over here
October 16th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
Poem
How about a typical stupid answer?
My favorite person was the person who was not there.
So there we have it.
I wasn’t around in the 60’s to get stoned. Where was I?
October 16th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
Great Stuff Tim. Good on you for posting it here and Zac for showing it to you.
Just like Douglas and Daniel, you and Zac are doing excellent work on both of your blogs which is complimenting each others work nicely.
October 17th, 2006 at 10:33 pm
I made it a whole 16 minutes through. Hooray… Rushkoff seemed a smart enough fellow, though he didn’t say anything new. I kept waiting for the awesome and it never came, but I guess I only watched the intro, so, fair enough. It just reminded me a bit too much of the Stella boys and their stoned-college-kid-parodying philosophical discussions.
Pinchbeck I couldn’t handle much of at all. That’s why I turned it off. The psychedelic talk bores and annoys me. Tim and Zac are both far, far more interesting and relevant, and I’d rather see/hear them get together and chat.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:07 pm
I’ve been thinking about this a lot: what in particular do you think it would contribute?
October 17th, 2006 at 11:50 pm
there’s not much you can untill it happens. the most you can hope for is that pinchbeck learns from exchanges like this and smartens up considerably.
he’s the only person i’ve ever heard of who declared himself an avatar and then chickened out. not that i mind, but dude if you’re gonna a pair like that, then at least walk em around for awhile before you start backing away from your ‘transmission’.
sadly, an example of someone who met his holy guardian angel and then lost the plot. but there’s still hope. it’s kind of odd to think, but he might a little too preoccupied with pleasing others and fitting in.
October 18th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
i watched the whole thing and it IS a great video. i can’t quite stomach pinchbeck, though.. too much fluff, too much ego… i find rushkoff to be WAY more engaging and practical and likeable. pinchbeck is off-putting to me in a way that’s somewhat similar to what’s his name… why can’t i ever remember his name… the shamelessly self-promoting bald guy… KEN WILBER! wow, that took me a good five minutes to remember.
October 18th, 2006 at 10:06 pm
Did he really back out? In what sense? Haven’t heard anything on this!
October 19th, 2006 at 10:15 am
to me his “chickening out” was his declaring himself an avatar and THEN babbling on about it messing up his head and his needing to “contextualize” the experience afterwards etc etc… i felt like he was back-pedaling a bit because maybe he realized how ridiculous that statement sounded. also i like how he called it a spirit when actually it’s a DEITY.
October 19th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
Well, I suppose I hadn’t really thought that one through too clearly. Theoretically, from what I’ve read, it sounds like a good idea. However, there are allot of similar projects that have already been undertaken; at least to my understanding of what Evolver may be/come. The first thing that comes to mind is that if it’s anything like WorldChanging, only it includes a magazine product as well (perhapse available in magazine racks in mainstream stores, like Borders, etc), similar/parallel ideas may become more accessible to other types of people. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know of no other magazine that’s similar in intent to the website WorldChanging. You can probably find some parallel data scattered amongst multiple magazines, but to have it in one place would be immensely helpful.
Also, spreading important tools & ideas to other groups are great. However, if the important tools & ideas that are being spread, are actually using &/or requiring resources &/or energy that denudes the landscape &/or our bodies, and if everyone continues to shlug allong at the same pace we’ve been walking, and if nobody infiltrates &/or promotes sustainable ways of living &/or working as engaging & inspirational to those people/companies who should be informed, then the magazine, dvd, and various other media-forms that encompass Evolver, will be, for the most part, for naught.
Progressives shouldn’t be the totallity of the target-audience. On the other hand, I’ve met quite a number of progressives that have a particular set of ideas in their head, but just don’t have the informative thorough backing of what’s possible in regards to sustainability. Many of them know about climate change, and have a vague understanding of a few of the alternatives (usually in name only) like solar, wind, hydro, etc (rarely the numbers, facts and figures). Chances are, there are many progressives that simply do not know that there are multiple kinds of solar technology. There’s even solar technology that can collect energy on cloudy days by using the uv spectrum of the sun.
A spectrum of bifurcating details is necessary when progressives, or other like-minded folks, debate & argue about futures. If their understanding of sustainable alternatives remain vague & unspecific, then I’m afraid that when it actually comes to the point where we start making movements toward sustainable futures, we’ll make horribly poor choices because we wouldn’t have known of other better possibilities that already exist. I guess I’m hoping that Evolver will help fill some of those gaps so that it reduces the possibility of ignorance of sustainability from continuing to flourish. All the rest is hear-say and I’ll just have to wait until December when it is dated to launch.
October 19th, 2006 at 8:11 pm
This may also may help fill some gaps: Worldchanging: A User’s Guide for the 21st Century
October 19th, 2006 at 9:58 pm
Wait, I still don’t know what specific event you guys are referring to. Is it in the video series or somewhere else? Maybe I got distracted while I was watching it…
October 20th, 2006 at 12:52 pm
you didn’t get distracted, you just tuned out pinchbeck’s white noise.
October 20th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
Do you at least know which episode it’s in?
October 20th, 2006 at 2:43 pm
I could be wrong, but I recall Pinchbeck saying something relatively similar to what Laura was attempting to quote, but I think laura misconstrued what pinchbeck was saying near the beginning of the first video. I’d get a direct quote, but my mouse stopped working, and i have a live stream of poptech. I believe Pinchbeck was saying something about being/channeling quetzecotl (sp?) for a couple of years, and then slowly started coming back to earth and recontextualizing. IE: Laura’s definition of chickening out from being/channeling quetzecotl? While I don’t want to lock down any definitions, I think recontextualization doesn’t always automatically have to mean breaking connection &/or not being, to some degree, what was before recontextualization; would you not disagree? I also sensed a pre-supposition that attempted to define recontextualizing-back-to-earth as a bad thing? Clarifications may help portray your propositions