Another one for the “I told you so” files…. Have you heard Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas’ recent comments? Evidently he has openly declared that he would like to see a temporary government of technocratcs come in and solve his region’s problems.
“A government of technocrats would be the simplest and most practical solution,” Abbas told journalists in the
West Bank city of Ramallah.
What’s perhaps the most interesting aspect of all this is to watch the “normals” squirm as they try to apply their conservative/liberal political filtration system to understanding this idea of what a technocratic government entails. Apparently aside from my website, this is not a subject matter which a lot of people have been exposed to in mainstream circles (not that I consider anything we do here to be totally mainstream…).
So, for anyone new to the subject, the idea of technocratic government - though some will certainly disagree - seems to be something like “government by experts.” And in this case, those experts happen to be scientists, because our culture teaches us (wrongly, I think) to believe that scientists are impartial and completely rational. Therefore Abbas is hoping to use reason to cleave through the tangled knots that surround his people, and implement solutions which “make sense.”
It would be interesting research to find our what particular precedents of a “temporary technocratic government” which Abbas is probably referring to. Because he clearly didn’t make this idea up on his own - anymore than I did here. What might he be referring to? Any guesses?
I would personally look in the direction of think tanks, foundations and research organizations to find evidence of temporary technocratic management systems which have been set up. One example might even be found by looking at Beck and Cowan, who created the Spiral Dynamics model, and applied it to help solve the complex social crises of a post-apartheid South Africa. From Don Beck’s bio:
Beck’s long consulting career has taken him to such diverse settings as 10 Downing Street to consult with Tony Blair’s Policy Unit; the south side of Chicago to address the problems faced by inner-city schools; the World Bank to consider the future of Afghanistan; and the boardrooms of major banks, energy companies, airlines, and government agencies. In his 63 trips to South Africa between 1981 and 1988, he had significant impact on political leaders, the business sector, religious leadership, and the general public in order to help bring about the peaceful transition from apartheid to democracy. Out of his experiences there, Beck wrote The Crucible: Forging South Africa’s Future (1991) with Graham Linscott.
Is Beck essentially a technocrat? A man who influences what we conventionally (and probably wrongly) think of as governments? What about Ken Wilber who champions this model as well, and who espouses a quasi-New World Order post-US Constitution transformation of government? Are these the type of people Abbas is hoping to attract with his rhetoric? Will be interesting to watch and see what happens here, as well as to watch as others whose political understanding of the world does not include the concept of technocrats struggle to understand what’s really happening.
And for those with a thirst for more, here are a collection of a few articles we’ve done here on various aspects of technocratic government:
- Welcome to the Technate!
- A Technocrat’s Response
- Technocracy In-Fighting
- Technocracy & The Noble Lie
- Morality, Science, Technocracy
- Stalking the Technocracy
- Operation Paperclip: Proof of Technocracy?
[This post dedicated to Skip Sievert, who I'm sure will have something to say about it, and who I will be leaning on for historical background as asked for above!]
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Great links. This might be a stupid question, but have you read John Ralson Saul’s “Voltaire’s Bastards”? Considering your interest in technocracy and the chokehold it maintains over current understandings of knowledge, reason and the political process, I’m sure you’d enjoy Saul’s critique of the rationalism-obsessed technocrats running the show these days. Saul traces the technocratic “cult of expertise” through the Age of Reason…if you haven’t already read it, you should definitely take a look!
No I haven’t seen it, but I am currently reading “Al Qaeda and What It Means to Be Modern” which deals with a lot of the same issues and traces these issues back to the Positivists (he never uses the word technocracy in the book that I can tell, but he is sure as shit talking about it). Sounds like a great companion book and I will check it out - thanks!
Ah yes , very interesting.~!~ Probably the best example of a technocratic system that was set up for a purpose , and at the same time was actually set up by mostly card carrying technocrats ala technocracyinc. and people in accord or sympathetic with the movement, would be the Fema system which was recently gutted , and basically destroyed.
Fema was put under homeland defense, and is now the domain of the white house and Congress.
Before that Fema, in its old charter, pulled the plug on the white house and congress for about 6 months , and the Fema director was in charge.
Now Bush and his corporatacracy goons or Hillary or whatever other phony politician maintains control over the situation, and not technocrats.
Why did the technocrats come up with this program after world war two.?
It was considered common knowledge , and is still considered common knowledge by many that our system, as it is , does not make sense for the time we are living in, and mostly both sides of the political spectrum had to admit back then, that a program was needed when the system failed, or if we were hit by famine , disease, war, etc , etc.
So, The current group of politicos on both sides now have gotten rid of this old system which was really designed as a gateway into a future society by the technocratic movement.
This original system suspended rents , utilities , and mortgages for 6 months on a nationwide basis as needed. In other words no more price system, and it was thought the idea of not paying rent , utilities, and so forth would catch on very quickly , and we would not go back , but then stick with the technate for numerous sensible reasons.
Money no longer ruling , education, environmental cleanup, health care etc.
It is noted that this is all possible to do with our current resource base, create a good or creative society that is.
We even have our own name for it. We call it total conscription , which means total conscription of men , materials , and machines.
It was meant to be carried out by our law enforcement , the military, local responders , etc. to keep us from spiraling into chaos, when the price system failed as it must.
It was also meant to be a transition out of a political sytem.
The reasons why our current model will fail are complex , but in a simple way, I will say that a price system is based on an every expanding economy , and that is not sustainable. That is another topic though.
I assure you all that it is benign.
Technocracy is not a political system.
It insures complete freedom of religion , belief , opinion.
It was thought up by not just scientists, which many people think, but also people that had a great grasp on the nature of the human animal , by that I mean very well rounded people.
At base it is a social proposal that is administered by science. It is completely a secular , humanistic proposal.
Science in other words is not the thing, it is the life enhancing restructuring out of a class or caste system , and because science is impartial , science instead of opinion is used to make big decisions.
The tyranny of one belief system or another, is not used.
The only focus that technocracy has, is to have a system of sustainable abundance , that also gets rid of a political, socio/economic system , and in essence , changes the rules of the game.
In other words no longer rewards bad behavior, like wars, shoddy products, cheating with money , Banking scams , Insurance rackets, most contracts in general that use private property to settle accounts.
No private property in a technate , but personal possessions yes. No money. Switching to an energy accounting system to keep track of resources vs. population. We noted that moralizing and preaching for change in society do not actually work. That a change in the rules of the game would and do change the behaviour of the players. It is very realistic in that way, and based on equality as to consuming rights for all citzens.
Right of citizenship as to your energy debit card , which is not so much an economic or price system like model as a method of accounting for environmental and distribution information.
I would not imagine that Bush is happy to hear this word floated around right now.
I would also add that M.King Hubbert the oil geologist scientist who wrote most of the technocracy study course, also was John F. Kennedys energy adviser.
Why.?
He knew more than anyone about the topic.
This is of course the man who coined the term, and came up with the peak oil concept. Not many know that he also was a key member of the Technocracy movement.
What about now.?
We are in deep shit as are the Palestinians. I can see the attraction of a nonreligious, non sectarian approach. Technocracy is non sectarian. We have billed ourselves thus from the beginning.
We invite people of all and any belief system to be technocrats. We do not care about what people believe, and in that we are the polar opposite of a political or religious system.
OK ,
I hope that is not to much information. But I hope it is enough to chew on for thoughts and ideas
One last thing to think about. There are many people in the war college, and the upper ranks of the military here, and elsewhere, that understand the recent stripping of rights of Americans and the recent legislation that would appear to be getting ready, or making it easier for the U.S. to in effect be ruled our governed by the big crooked money interests to an even greater extent .
Reality is we have been for some time, the whole Democracy thing is a sham, and now they want to take it a couple of steps farther and plunder America even more. Part of that means keeping the current system going.
What I am saying is that a kind of wrestling for control could ensue with our political system or factions of it battling the the people/military.
We are in very tumultuous times as we all know.
Not a conspiracy folks, just the dynamic right now.
Technocracy represents the only real threat to the type of system we have. They are aware of that. It is the alternative that can actually work. It is super creative.
I am sorry for the length here , but I wanted to cover a bunch of stuff in a general way.
Holy crap! I’ve never heard FEMA described in that way, but it makes perfect sense - the old X-Files idea of the shadow government rising up in time of crisis to manage things more smoothly based on scientific planning and management systems. Pure technocracy! Thanks for combining those things for me!
Also interesting to note that there has been a movement within the US to strip FEMA, and modulate in some other direction. Not sure I agree with what your conclusion seems to be though, but I will think about it more and get back to you! Great topic!
Hahaha! What comedy! This is the area in which our understanding of one another’s viewpoints breaks down, unfortunately. But that doesn’t mean we can’t have a fruitful interchange even still!
What you’re describing is called “Freemasonry” and whether or not that itself is a religion has been a topic of much debate for ages. That belief stems out of the Enlightenment/Positivist doctrine which spawned other conspiracy catch-all groups such as the Illuminati:
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/07/26/the-illuminati-enlightenment/
Except, that if our system is already a technocracy, or a technocracy-in-training-wheels, then it’s not a threat at all. It’s simply a natural progression, a matter of changing the guiding stories of our country so that they can just be open about what they’ve already been doing for around 250 years!
Mmmm, very interesting. Here’s where I differ with your appraisal.
We are not a so called New World Order related group even remotely , and if possible we may be the very antithetical approach of such. They are for tying in the world with a control system based on class and money, and possibly religion.
We are for shutting down for a time , letting the whole world order system of now go down, and first forming a technate for North America, that land mass being Canada , U.S. , Mexico, central , and a part of the top of S. America.
Those people of those areas would be the citizens of the first technate. With all the benefits I might add, that would be our energy debit card , instead of money.
The reason for this is the resource base which equals approx. 52% of the worlds resources. No other area on Earth comes close to this resource base , as to area. This resource base would insure a very high standard of living for the citizens of the technate. This sustainable abundance idea has been the dream of many religions, and ideologies from antiquity to now. Abundance and creativity , are the very basis of the technocracy idea.
Later we may be able to tie together other Technates, but we must get our area in order first.
Later perhaps we can lend support to a Europe/Africa or a China/Australia construct , and perhaps tie technates together eventually.
However it can not be stressed enough that you have to start somewhere , and also be successful and credible.
We are ideally suited to do it here first.
This I might add is why America , is really the hope of the world , and it makes sense for other people in the world such as Russia and China to back a Technate here.
Our present system actually will destroy our world.
It can not do other wise , as it values only money.
Something that has no value.
Ha Ha, let me flash backwards here Tim to something I know you can relate to which is a religious concept ; The root of all evil is the love of money.
This is a profound , existential commentary from our esoteric religious friends.
Money is indeed the root of all evil.?
Well close enough, what this is saying is that in a system of abundance , you damn sure better get rid of money.
Hence again the religious aspect could be drawn as to a secular technocratic system.
Because it is religious.?
No. Because it is practical, makes sense, is fair, does not exploit any one. etc.
I would add that in a technate you can not make anyone do anything.
With the current system you can make just about any one do just about any thing if you wave enough money in front of them.
The new world order or Illuminate people, if they can be called that want to actually control a political ideological template , perhaps tangled up in concepts like religion , a kind of fake democracy , and phony spiritual values of one kind or another. Ha ha. ~!~
In fact that is what I mean when I say that we are the only real threat to the system of a kind that the Illuminate is operating now, and wants for the entire world, not just what they have now. That means the middle east, Russia, and China also.
Is someone like Putin aware of this dynamic.? Oh god yes.!! It is comical for me to watch the Russians. What a brilliant group they are. I love them.
So, yes we have a technocratic system now as you say , but it is not under control of technocrats , but under control of politicians, or I will put it in a comic derogatory way , Price System flunkies.
Can you imagine the heights of creativity a society like ours could scale without money being used to screw everything up. ~!~ Ha Ha.
So, why don`t the politicians roll over and let us move on to the next thing. ?
This is where it gets a little thorny , and a little hard to fathom.
I personally do not believe there is any conspiracy at bottom of this. I do believe that what is mostly going on is human gullibility to mechanicalness and suggestibility and so forth. This again I hope you may be able to relate to perhaps from some of the Gospel stories of sleeping spirituality or , humans as being sleeping and a need to awaken to some very basic truths.
So many of the religious ideas of Christians and others call , and yell for something like technocracy.!!!! Some one asked me once if Icould think of another name for technocracy what would it be.
I said well maybe, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Ha ha.
Of course that is not to say it is Utopia at all. Just practical. Utopia by the way in the classic Greek definition of the word translates to , A place that does not exist.~!~
Technocracy on the other hand is a place that can exist.
So why the resistance from the powers that be, the so called corporatacracy money people that rule us now.?
Here is the rub, they are not smart, they are not aware, they are victims of differing belief systems, they are not cognizant of our price system analysis, and I could go on.
In other words the people you are describing Tim are not I guess you could say conscious of what is actually happening , and the extremely negative aspects of what they are doing. As your friend Jesus would say , they are asleep.
I will now phrase this in a way that I think you will understand. In other words ,
Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.~!~ ha Ha.
I do try and put my finger on this disconnect in my book in the introduction when I talk about how the original belief systems were instilled in a certain historical period and have taken root in a incredibly negative way.
In other words there is no shortage of blame to go around.
I would add that at base technocracy would have to be considered a kind of space age spirituality, that is more akin to esoteric sufism or esoteric Buddhism or esoteric Christianity than just about anything else. Even most Technocrats don`t fully appreciate that aspect of it.
Reality is that it may be the only really humanitarian based system that will work.
I fully expect a conflagration soon of forces pro and anti Technocracy. If technocracy wins out there is hope for the future. If the illuminati people win out there is nothing but some very grim times a head which end in disaster, for us , the planet, and the future of humanity.
I would certainly appreciate hearing more about this, because I’m not sure what you mean.
Well, first of all, when you say “Illuminati” what do you mean? What operating system do you believe they espouse, because I believe what they espouse is essentially technocracy.
Again Tim , the Illuminati people are total opposites from the Technocracy people.
You could say that the Bushes and the Clinton’s would be illuminate people. They are underhanded, manipulative, don`t have any real values of humanity, are money grubbers, support pointless wars that are make to make money, etc. Kerry would also qualify. They can`t see past our class system.
To me this group would be the bankers , many of the religious people , arms manufacturers, that type of thing.
All the groups that are what are called , soldiers, or people that are controlled , brainwashed, and going through the motions. For instance people that get excited about politics , and think our political system actually is a Democracy , and that they can vote in a meaningful way .
Of course the power possessors , actually control it.
My illuminati stuff here is mostly a spin off of what you are saying. I myself do not believe in an actual group by that name, so I am using your concept of it that you seem to run with. I myself would refer to the power possessors , not so much as organized in a smart way, but in control mostly by default , and a kind of common stupidity, combined with brainwashing by the powers that be.
It could be looked at as conspiracy with the skull and bones stuff , and other ties with the British banking system etc. but I chalk it up mostly to just misguided ignorant humans , that are under various spells of belief. Ha./~!~
What I meant by most Technocrats not even fully understanding the profound spirituality aspect of technocracy , is that many are egghead scientists, that are annoyingly absorbed in the scientific aspect of technocracy , and do not fully understand the greatest strength of our movement.
That strength is that at base we are a social proposal that is administered by science , and it is not actually about science , but the social proposal.
Science is used to administer it because science is not a belief system, but science can be used to figure out things that don`t make sense, like most of human behaviour.
Science then can be used as a kind of referee, that allows people to believe anything , but not allow people to bully others by incorporating those beliefs into any kind of political system, which is kind of what we have now. All these odd beliefs cobbled on to our political system.
One of those odd beliefs for instance is that private property is good.
If a person believes that this is so , many other fallacies follow, that money will be made, that investment and interest are good things, etc. etc.
In other words a lot of ways that people are controlled in a price system would no longer operate in a technate.
There would be no contracts in a technate.
None.
The state would not charge a fee for marriage. No licence to buy for marriage in a technate.
You could live or not live with who you chose to regardless .
If you wanted to hold a ceremony with friends fine. No one cares about that type of belief. People are free to do what they want within the parameter of not injuring others.
20 years of very moderate work, and your free as to employment.
Full purchasing power after that also. Machines doing the majority of work.
Education working its way into working. No rent, no insurance, no banks, lots of people doing what they want, studying what they want, about 3 months vacation a year. Short work weeks. Maybe 6 hour days, but that seems like a lot.
One of the big fears now is that the price system people are turning to using people instead of machines. This is actually becoming an issue.
This is also a way to keep the class system going for as long as possible .
It keeps people occupied working, when with the exception of people that are actually doing something , like yourself, the vast majority of so called jobs now are for the most point pointless.
They are paper pushing ways to screw people out of money. Banking ,Insurance, and Medical all falls under that definition now.
Pointless .
Medical obviously should be totally free. It is an organized scam now.
So, what I am getting at is this. We are all wasting a lot of time doing things that do not make sense.
Why.?
People are driven to make money.
Why.?
This is what they think they should be doing.
Why.?
This is how they have been acculturated.
They think this is the only thing that can work.
Reality is that after about 1913 the machine took over as far as energy to work.
A human can turn out about 1/20th of a horse power of work.
A machine can turn out thousands of horsepower. So the concept of work should have changed.
People in the 20`s and 30`s figured this out, and that is how technocracy started. The realization that a class system was no longer needed.
We should have turned into a great society then. We did not because we have the old concepts of society beaten into us.
BTW, F.D.R had I think 6 technocrats involved in his administration. He wavered as to switching, but went for the money/debt system . Most of the great ideas like social security etc. were actually of technocratic origin , but dumbed down into a price system model , which is not the greatest , but works kind of , or has.
The Bushies even want that vestige of America crushed.
So the status same people, would like to keep things the same , with the price system , the class system, the pay as you go for every and anything system.
Why, ?
They enjoy the wealth and phony prestige. They can`t usually really figure out the actual subplot of what is going on around them though, so they need educating also. People are stubborn though about all these pet beliefs about society.
Again, I maintain that this is a completely inaccurate starting premise, which casts all your theories into serious doubt since it claims to be their foundation and it is vastly flawed.
Tim , I agree with you in a sense , but what else can we use.? It was the only practical thing that made sense.
I am in accord with you that science has no more value than art, prayer, or a few other things. All are attempts for meaning, Science is the same begging hand as prayer as I have said before.
While science is not perfect, we had to come up with a way that makes as much sense as possible for a starting point.
Science for all its faults does not take the leaps of faith as some of our other searches for meaning.
In that way science is different.
I will say again also that the heart of technocracy is the social proposal, and the science aspect is secondary to making that happen. Science can collate the data for hopefully making our broader proposal , which is the thing.
Science lends us credibility to most people. Science is usually able to make things work if it is possible for them to work .
Maybe another way to try and explain this idea would be like this.
You are a religious , or spiritual person in some certain way. You appreciate in particular the bible it would seem and Jesus in particular. I think I am right on this.
Now imagine the science it took to manufacture the paper that is in your bible. Also imagine the machines which cut the trees, made wood pulp, and now imagine the process that created the ink that was used to print the pages.
All these things are science . An exact or pretty exact formula was used for these process`s along the way to make your bible look as it does. The shape of it is precise and so forth.
What is important about your bible to you. ? It is the social proposal, and the way the stories feel, and the personalities of the people portrayed in it , and the stories that are told.
Now think of technocracy as science in the sense that the thing it is trying to accomplish is very nearly a spiritual thing similar in some ways but different than what your bible people friends are interested in.
Science from my perspective would be like greeter at your church. A functionary that passes out the programs. An important element. Not the focus though.
Your religion itself is the liberating thing for you. The ideas.
Our way of getting at our social proposal is science , but the thing itself goes beyond that and is trying to be a freeing factor, as is your ideas behind the bible you like.
The bible book is important to you. But the science that went into making it is not so important. It is the ideas within.
Way to update on the creepy Wilber Spiral Dynamics -World Bank consulting type stuff. I dig into Wilber at great length — calling him a racist — in my masters thesis. http://nonduality.com/hempel.htm
Didn’t know that Jeb Bush’s staff trained in spiral dynamics — that’s really creepy! there’s just a simplistic ethnocentricism to this stuff that is based on Freemasonry — there’s no real understanding of Gaia gone into Chaos. Even that metaphor implies that machines will save us….. what’s left? “The all seeing eye.”
Yes it’s truly a conspiracy! haha.
When a newspaper calls a politician or a bureaucrat a technocrat, they are meaning it in a derogatory way which does not have much to do with the original technocracy movement at all. Just as anarchism - despite what the anarchists have siad for 170 years - is commonly understood as chaos, technocracy is commonly understood as non-democratic rule of experts.
Here is how it is interpreted in mainstream -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_%28bureaucratic%29
Here is how it is interpreted by the technocratic movement -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocratic_movement
Here is the total amount of known meanings -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy
Wikipedia is a wonderful tool is’nt it?
I chalk it up more to unconscious Humans Drew. More a default stupidity about the the real world. We are close though as to the dynamic. Not a conspiracy though , just mechanicalness of the human machine programed with misleading info.Ha~!~
Ah — well I looked for your book at May Day and they didn’t have it. Also I don’t support technocracy — you all don’t understand the latest in science: Quantum chaos.
Read “Fire in the Mind” by George Johnson and “One True Platonic Heaven” by John Casti and “Sync” by Steve Strogatz.
Gaia is in Chaos — that’s a scientific fact. read “The Wealth of Nature” by professor Robert Nadeau.
These are the top knotch attempts for your “technocracy” movement! The latest in technology is a “conspiracy” — as Professor Strogatz admits regarding the Riemann Hypothesis.
I read one scholarly book a day.
Drew: You are very fond of pointing this out it seems. What are you hoping to accomplish through these continued announcements?
Skip: I think I see more closely what you are saying now, thanks to your analogies. And I think this is where your understanding of technocracy seems to differ from those of others I have communicated with online. They seem to see science as the ends, rather than as the means. I would wager that their understanding of it, however, seems to be the more popular in the world at large. Or at least that’s what my eyes see…
Have you ever considered the idea of there being a spiritual science though: some set of practices and ideas which you can implement and achieve consistent repeatable results?
Yes, Tim and this is what has led me to the technocracy movement .
It fits in with all the information I know from a life long interest in studying religion , and history.
The idea of a spiritual science is how I would describe Technocracy.
The result is a society of cooperation, a society where the benefit of one person is the benefit of all. A life of sustainable abundance. A non profit life.
A society where it is not everything for me and nothing for you.
I am happy to say that my ideas have resonated pretty well with many people in the movement and I am happy to say that I think I have refocused the movement to some degree.
I have had some major help in this from a certain Dean Cameron who you may remember posted here some time ago , with the idea of clearing up some issue.
Dean is my major source of some information. I also am my own other major source , the other, older, technocratic literature backs up my insistence on the human , humane aspects of the movement which , as said have lost their focus. This subject is very interesting ,and I see you picked up on it , and I give you credit for sleuthing this out. Very insightful of you. You are right on this.
The biggest problem is always , or can be a clash of ego`s and while this is still a problem , it is less so right now and we have refocused to a huge extent in the last year.
Tim I would like to say that the poster Enrique above is one of the leaders of N.E.T. or the Network of European Technocrats.
This group is doing an energy survey now of Europe and areas near.
They are working on converting their area into a technate or partial technate. They are using the conclusions mostly about society , money, value , social structure from our Study Course that was published last in 1948 and first in 34 .
That is the Technocracy Study Course. It contains our original energy survey and our social proposal and the method of using science as an administer of our social proposal.
There are a lot of reasons Tim, why Science has assumed the larger role for many Technocrats.
It has appealed to scientists especially because of the logic and presentation of itself. It actually can work. This makes it a real alternative , not just another Utopia, or crazy concept to control or manipulate people . We do away with most control and manipulation of people.
Another thread there ofcourse.
In earlier times their were an equal number of a cross section of people particularly people from Art history, Anthropology, Sociology , and many other more abstract educational fields.
It seems the hardcore scientists in my mind lost a little of this other vital and human connection , and that has been a major part of my mission to reconnect that aspect and bring in more of those people in order to broaden our appeal , and once again become a real social movement , as we were in the 1930`s.
This does seem to be going rather well right now , and I am pleased at the direction ,although I still have a few bones to pick on this with some members .
I think these links that Enrique has posted here are really very interesting and broaden things a great deal. This is all excellent info. I will say again that Enrique is an excellent source of information in general , and as a leader in the just now forming group that is getting off the ground in the last year , in Europe I am very pleased to see his voice here. Thanks Enrique. ~!~
Tim , and also Drew, I would like to reference a chapter in my book,
Beyond the Cloak of Deception . That chapter is Chapter 6. and is called , I am the Price System. It is on page forty.
This chapter was written in the 1940`s by a technocrat , and just minor edited by me.
This chapter I think, presents the basic aspects of Technocracy , and gets at the very heart of what we are up to.
This technocratic writing almost dropped from site Tim , as the science only aspect you mentioned became more dominant.
We have a lot of other brilliant writing like this in our archives that are coming out now.
This writing explains some very basic things , and Tim I suggest this particular chapter to you and also Drew.
Drew , Technocracy uses whatever science is the latest science. One of the issues we are debating right now is nanotechnology replicators for the future, and total conversion to solar power.
Drew to get this chapter I mention you do not have to have the paper copy book. Just look at the pdf, which is on http://www.technocracynow.org that is also the site listed here for me as a reference point. Give that one chapter a chance Drew and tell me what you think. It may be a pretty good starting point.
Drew , you or anyone can download my book for free to your files and I encourage any who might like to , to do that.
Any one that has a copy gotten at in this way, may do anything they please with it . My hope is that it might be given to others in an email , or posted by others as a separate post along with our study course , not as an extension of my site , but as a separate stand alone file.
This was why I wanted to make both available as stand alone files.