108. Jesus said, “Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him.”

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

I’m actually starting to really enjoy how grossly people misinterpret the Bible, cause when you can get past other people’s bad ideas about it, it is tremendously rich and useful

And from what I gather the Bible is literally a magical instruction book on how to not just be like him, but to “be” him in an esoteric sense.

Yes, exactly! As you can imagine, an idea not conducive to church forming and power aspirations…

1. Will. (Grace?)

Whoa - is that where they came up with the name of the tv show?

Super posts all over!

if an entity traverses between two or more verses, the existence of that entity automatically alters that supposed timeline; thus concluding that the timeline is not really a separate timeline complete unto itself, but actually an opensource reality.

That’s exactly what was thinking above, and Francis Scully put so well, and Alistair hits on too …

Reminds me of a certain native American concept of time I learned in anthro 100: the timeline of NOW bends into, encorporating the FUTURE, dragging slices of the PAST with it. Rather than a discrete present dimension it actually includes bits of what was, and what’s ahead. In this model Time is more like a Tri-dimensional unity.

1. If something such as time is actually different from how we perceive it, then how are we supposed to change how we perceive it?

2. Does changing our perception of it bring us closer to how it actually is or simply substitute one metaphor for another?

3. Are there certain metaphors which would be more valuable for understanding time? If so, what are they and how are they more valuable?

1. Will. (Grace?)
2. Unless all perceptions are completely indistinguishable, one perception must be at least relatively better than another in some circumstances.
3. I really, really like Ibn Arabi’s conception of the Divine Names of God. Set aside any conception of linear time for a moment. Roughly:
The incommensurable and ineffable One desired to be known and the vehicles of knowledge of Him are the Names, which describe His supernal attributes. They are things like Glory, Strength, Compassion, Beauty, King, Treasure, (these should remind you of the sephiroth.)

Now, there is a certain unavoidable conflict between the various attributes of God. This is necessary, since the true Lord transcends all encapsulation, he is not simply Severity or Mercy, he is severe beyond Severity and merciful beyond Mercy. The natural conflict between the relatively finite Names generates a dialectic process, which creates the world.

As the God contemplates himself and explores himself, the consequences of his transcendent attributes develop in deeper and further detail. His self-knowledge reveals the infinite world hidden within Him. This is the origin of the shifting experience of life. It is also completely compatible with many other cosmogonies, including emanationist ones like the Neoplatonic/Pythagorean/Hermetic ideas I am primarily interested in right now, or the Kabbalastic view of creation.

How does our conventional view of linear time fit in? The set of experiences measurable in linear time is a tiny subset of all experiences. When we say something happened at a particular time, we mean we have engineered a set of circumstances where a clock reading co-incided with an event. This is a co-incidence in the plainest meaning. The linear ordering of these events is imposed by us, we do this unconsciously even though relativity has been well-understood for 80 years.

Praise God that He has made the world, and filled it with His likeness!

Four texts by Ibn Arabi on the Divine Names:
hxxp://www.ibnarabisociety.org/articles/fourtexts.pdf

While I don’t think any of this is necessary to the regular reader (as they’ll know whats been written and where to find it), it could be a great resource to passer-byers and newcomers who are interested in seeing not just what you’ve written about (which the “Best Of” handles fine), but when you’ve wrtiten about it in regard to everything else — what trains of thought lead you to it, what conclusions you’ve taken away, where it makes you want to go next, etc. Your podcasts might to play an interesting and useful role in something like this.

Just wanted to bring these thoughts up. This recent series of posts has been absolutely terrific and does a great service to your explorations, your writings and this site. Excited to see where it goes. Keep it up.

“Charles-Andre Gilis has pointed out that in the Islamic tradition the Ka’ba symbolises the centre of every state of Being, as is demonstrated by the tradition recorded by Ibn ‘Abbas according to which there exists a Ka’ba, similar to the one belonging to our world, in each of the seven heavens and seven earths (cf. La Doctrine Initiatique du Pélerinage, Paris, 1982, pp. 45-6). In the introduction to the Tâj, Ibn ‘Arabi refers to the Visited House (al-bayt al-ma’mûr), situated in the seventh heaven, the celestial prototype of the Ka’ba (p. 557).”

and this interpretation of the law of seven:

“Gurdjieff talked of a ‘law of seven’. This law in its ‘pre-creation’ state - that is, before the universe existed at all! - had seven equi-distant intervals in it. It was a closed cycle. After the creation, the steps were no longer equal. The reason for this was that some gateway or opening had to be provided for different processes to connect with each other, or to form a relationship. The original single-value state (Absolute) divided into multiple states, or ‘fractions’ of the whole. The modified law of seven allows these different fractions to blend and return together towards the single-valued state. Only, this return would be an enrichment and not simply a repetition.”

The urban legend (or alternate history text) states that a facility manned by renegade Princetown professors conducted quantum physics experiments, and according to conspiracy theories, discovered a new theory for dimensional travel.

They were largely based in the ghost town of Ong’s Hat, New Jersey, hence the name.

One shtick I may have with the multiverse idea though, is that if an entity traverses between two or more verses, the existence of that entity automatically alters that supposed timeline; thus concluding that the timeline is not really a separate timeline complete unto itself, but actually an opensource reality. Unless, of course, its similar to what Donnie Darko says; operating within god’s channel. As if the shifts and rifts were going to happen anyway, and were part of the pre-defined course of the multiverse as a whole, rather than an aberration between two seemingly-separate realities.

Mayhapse I’ll write a PKD-inspired rift on christianity’s role within a multiverse at some point in the future. Question is, will it be me writing it? lol

we create the jumps in event streams with our thoughts. the more we do it the more like-minded events run into our stream. like your diagram, which is wonerfully clear in demonstrating this function. i think most people are either not paying attention to the syncronicities or deny them so much that they stop happening………..they actively push them away.

that time, unto itself, is orthogonal movements within a multiverse of nows?

An easy way to imagine that is like a cartoon, a crapload of still pictures that flow rapidly to appear to be moving. Jesus just had wicked-ass control of the flow.

Well, I’m totally mind-fucked. I’m to go watch some mindless network television.

Maybe some of us are also (randomly) experiencing this kind of orthogonal time-shifts –maybe this is why some of us remember that Jack Palance died a few years back instead of last week–on another timeline, he did die several years ago

by not thinking of time in a linear fashion. This is simply the way we perceive it, as many theorists have told us.

Okay, so this raises a few points for me:

1. If something such as time is actually different from how we perceive it, then how are we supposed to change how we perceive it?

2. Does changing our perception of it bring us closer to how it actually is or simply substitute one metaphor for another?

3. Are there certain metaphors which would be more valuable for understanding time? If so, what are they and how are they more valuable?

And he said, “Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death.” [...] Rather, the (Father’s) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

Also, this I think relates to JP’s questions perhaps:

When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them.

In terms of invoking the shift - I recommend Salvia Divinorum. It does the job, and then some. Not to mention the incredible emotional and mental after effects.
Can any other psychonauts back me up on this?

that time, unto itself, is orthogonal movements within a multiverse of nows?

REALLY interesting way of putting it. I will have to dwell on this for a while!

It always struck me how all the early traditions and sources tell us Jesus was first and formost a “miracle-worker,” including Josephus and the Babylonian talmud. The question is whether he produced such signs and wonders all his life, or only after his baptism and anoiting. Certainly his 3 yr “ministry” began with the latter event, where he embarked to become IMHO the premire philosopher of Love, service and sacrifice.

It’s interesting not to see evidence of any shamanistic estatic states in his methods, but appears to demonstrate a calm composure. He seemed to command the very nature of the object - producing miracles similar to some of the vedic siddhis.

I wasnt aware that the deist model was necessarily so mechanically deterministic. I take the watch image as just a metaphor for systems, therefore an organic approach can be taken where freewill is the decider at the crossroads of every choice. The paths of choice lead us into a maze of infinite variables, each producing & conditioning new possibilities exponentially, in a seemingly chaotic thread of events. The process isn’t chaotic, but cause & effect on a subtle scale, influenced by choice.

This is how it may be said that “god” knows the end results, but knowledge isn’t the same as determining the outcome.

Anyhoo, cool graph and pretty colors!

There’s a funny theory that Matti Pitkänen has defined, called Topological GeometroDynamics; or TGD for short. Apparantly no other physicist understands it, but has written 2,000 page books on it, using “alternative theoretical physics,” p-Adic Numbers and the Riemann Hypothesis. There was a paper published in NeuroQuantology awhile back that introduced this theory. I had thought it was all about group consciousness, but I just did a double-take after reading an abstract on TGD-inspired theory of consciousness, and discovered that its almost precisely what I just described in the above paragraph; Here’s an excerpt:

“TGD inspired theory of consciousness relies on two identifications. The identification of quantum jump between quantum histories as a moment of consciousness reduces quantum measurement theory to fundamental physics and solves long list of paradoxes of modern physics. The identification of self as a subsystem able to remain unentangled in subsequent quantum jumps provides a quantum theory of observer and one can identify self also as a fundamental statistical ensemble… Selves form a hierarchy and self experiences its subselves as mental images and is in turn a mental image of a higher level self.”

Reading some of Matti’s writing seems almost like a spliced together mixture of theology & physics, but actually finds it important enough to work it out using cryptic mathematics. i’m not sure if its mathematical scribblings of a seeming-madman, or actual musings of a fringe alternative-physicist; or both. More here, and here

So far in the Gospel of Mark (only one I’ve partially read through in any closeness), I haven’t seen Jesus downplay his miracles at all (unless I haven’t gotten that far). He doesn’t seem to really address them at all. They are just things he does while he is travelling. He is just trying to help people and teach them in whatever way possible, whatever way they need to be reached. Some people need teachings and some need miracles.

The two don’t seem incompatible to me at all!

Taken another way though, I think Jesus teachings are designed to break worldly detachments which in turn prepares the soul to shift orthogonally. Looked at in that esoteric sense, the teachings are a necessary prerequisite.

or maybe that’s what the ‘apocalypse’ is?